Brexit

PostRe: Brexit by **Rocsteady** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:33 pm

Is it though? If the negotiations are going utterly gooseberry fool and we're approaching the two year deadline just book in for a quick civil service and you'll be grand.

PostRe: Brexit by **That** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:38 pm

Rocsteady wrote:Does anyone genuinely think that if they married their SO from the EU in the next few years that they won't be allowed to live together?

Marriage doesn't guarantee residency. I think you're naive if you aren't at least a little worried about this.

PostRe: Brexit by **Alvin Flummux** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:43 pm

Marriage not being a guarantee of residency is just callous. Sure it can be abused, but so can any system.

Significant others of foreign birth are not just an additional source of taxable income.

PostRe: Brexit by **Rocsteady** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:49 pm

Karl wrote:
Rocsteady wrote:Does anyone genuinely think that if they married their SO from the EU in the next few years that they won't be allowed to live together?

Marriage doesn't guarantee residency. I think you're naive if you aren't at least a little worried about this.

Jet's still living in the UK and realistically will be for as long as she likes. For the other cases it will depend on ongoing legislation changes but, again, I think it extremely unlikely that forceable deportations will take place and as far as I'm aware there's no evidence to suggest they have done so against married EU citizens.

PostRe: Brexit by **Pancake** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:53 pm

Brexit seems to be getting softer with every gaff and failed negotiation, personally I'd also be surprised if the worst case scenarios actually happen.

PostRe: Brexit by **Moggy** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:07 pm

Rocsteady wrote:
Tafdolphin wrote:All this talk of problems with foreign born significant others is making me even more terrified. I mean, me and the missus always just assumed that marriage would be good enough for her to remain in the UK or for me to move to France. Scary that it might not be.

Does anyone genuinely think that if they married their SO from the EU in the next few years that they won't be allowed to live together?

I'm not saying this flippantly as I have a European girlfriend too but i think there's enough legitimate concerns around Brexit without fixating on improbable fears.

The word there being “married”.

Why should anybody be forced to get married to live with their loved one?

Also, marriage doesn’t guarantee anything for non-EU spouses at the moment (it’s based on what you and/or your spouse earn) and I’d imagine that’ll apply to EU spouses post Brexit.

So it’ll come down to forcing people into marriage but only if they are reasonably high earners. Lovely.

PostRe: Brexit by **Tafdolphin** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:14 pm

She's a freelance designer, I'm just about to quit my job.

Guess I'm moving to France.

PostRe: Brexit by **Rocsteady** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:19 pm

Moggy wrote:
Rocsteady wrote:
Tafdolphin wrote:All this talk of problems with foreign born significant others is making me even more terrified. I mean, me and the missus always just assumed that marriage would be good enough for her to remain in the UK or for me to move to France. Scary that it might not be.

Does anyone genuinely think that if they married their SO from the EU in the next few years that they won't be allowed to live together?

I'm not saying this flippantly as I have a European girlfriend too but i think there's enough legitimate concerns around Brexit without fixating on improbable fears.

The word there being “married”.

Why should anybody be forced to get married to live with their loved one?

Also, marriage doesn’t guarantee anything for non-EU spouses at the moment (it’s based on what you and/or your spouse earn) and I’d imagine that’ll apply to EU spouses post Brexit.

So it’ll come down to forcing people into marriage but only if they are reasonably high earners. Lovely.

I never said that they should be forced to. But that's probably the reality of the situation and realistically its not the end of the world.

We were talking specifically about pre-existing relationships with EU citizens so the rest isn't relevant to this particular discussion.

PostRe: Brexit by **Moggy** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:23 pm

Rocsteady wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Rocsteady wrote:
Tafdolphin wrote:All this talk of problems with foreign born significant others is making me even more terrified. I mean, me and the missus always just assumed that marriage would be good enough for her to remain in the UK or for me to move to France. Scary that it might not be.

Does anyone genuinely think that if they married their SO from the EU in the next few years that they won't be allowed to live together?

I'm not saying this flippantly as I have a European girlfriend too but i think there's enough legitimate concerns around Brexit without fixating on improbable fears.

The word there being “married”.

Why should anybody be forced to get married to live with their loved one?

Also, marriage doesn’t guarantee anything for non-EU spouses at the moment (it’s based on what you and/or your spouse earn) and I’d imagine that’ll apply to EU spouses post Brexit.

So it’ll come down to forcing people into marriage but only if they are reasonably high earners. Lovely.

I never said that they should be forced to. But that's probably the reality of the situation and realistically its not the end of the world.

We were talking specifically about pre-existing relationships with EU citizens so the rest isn't relevant to this particular discussion.

I never said you said it. But that’s what it basically means, if you are happily living with somebody at the moment, you’ll have to get married or be prepared to wave them away at the airport. And it might not be the end of the world, but it’s not exactly a great situation.

The rest was also relevant as it’s talking about future relationships with EU citizens, it’s hardly a massive tangent.

Edit: rereading my posts they sound far harsher than I meant them to! Apologies if they read a bit nasty to you, I didn’t mean it I’m just a miserable bastard.

PostRe: Brexit by **Rocsteady** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:18 pm

Nah not at all man.

I do think it's a gooseberry fool situation and i agree that what you've mentioned definitely isn't a massive tangent, i just wanted to point out that I really don't think that in the specific cases folk have been mentioning here there's much to worry about with girlfriends. Unless you really hate marriage.

Also some of the posts in here have been starting to get to me a bit, i mean, we all (or mostly) know that Brexit's going to be a total shitshow but Christ. We'll still all be relatively well off and in a altogether pretty progressive country.

Or at least that's what i try to tell myself anyway.

PostRe: Brexit by **Denster** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:55 am

Impossible to see the future is.

Clouded by the Remain/Leave
Sides.

Begun

The Moan wars have!

PostRe: Brexit by **Tafdolphin** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:35 am

Denster wrote:Impossible to see the future is.

Clouded by the Remain/Leave
Sides.

Begun

The Moan wars have!

We now go live to Brexit;

PostRe: Brexit by **Denster** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:50 am

It's satire but it's a little terrifying

PostRe: Brexit by **Hexx** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:15 am

So the EU's response to May's desperate plea for a life line is pretty much "Yeah, let's get back to the talks we're having"

1. The Union also must decide if such a period is in its interest.

2. Any transition must respect the legal and financial framework of the Single Market. To quote the European Council: "Should a time-limited prolongation of Union acquis be considered, this would require existing Union regulatory, budgetary, supervisory, judiciary and enforcement instruments and structures to apply." Those are the words of the European Council. I think that everybody should remember them.

3. Finally, discussions on a transition – which will now take place since the UK has requested it –do not absolve us from the necessity of making "sufficient progress." Progress on our three key issues remains more than ever necessary in order to build the trust needed to begin discussing our future relationship.

A final point, which is also important, is that we do not mix up the discussion on liabilities and commitments from the past – which are the subjects that make up the orderly withdrawal – with a discussion on the future relationship.

watch Davis (and others) getting more irately indignant at the upperty foreigners dont do as demanded (behaving exactly as warmed) is brilliant.

PostRe: Brexit by **Squinty** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:45 am

An attempt to break the deadlock with this offer/proposal was always going to fail. They've just been reiterating the same thing from the start, and we haven't really sorted out those things yet.

PostRe: Brexit by **Garth** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:33 pm

Macron lays out vision for 'profound' changes in post-Brexit EU:
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... -brexit-eu

- suggested a bloc moving forward at differing speeds could become somewhere where the UK may “one day find its place again”.
- Macron’s proposals included shoring up the 19-member eurozone with a finance minister, budget and parliament
- To reduce inequalities across the EU, Macron suggested greater harmonisation of EU tax policies, notably on corporate taxes, and taxing internet giants such as Facebook and Apple where they make money rather than where they are registered.
- Macron also proposed that every EU country guaranteed a minimum wage and payroll charges
- He vowed to revive the French-backed project of a financial transaction tax to fund overseas aid
- On defence, Macron called for a Europe-wide “rapid reaction force” to work with national armies and “a common strategic culture” of joint European defence budget and policy
- he suggested the creation of a European intelligence academy to better fight against terrorism, and a joint civil protection force.
- On the refugee crisis, Macron said: “Making a place in Europe for refugees who have risked their life is our duty.” He pushed for a closer common asylum policy
- Macron pushed for a European asylum agency and standard EU identity documents.
- Macron said the EU needed to push for “radical” digital innovation to compete internationally.
- In farming, he suggested he may be willing to challenge French shibboleths by pledging reform of the common agricultural policy, which has historically been defended by France and its powerful agricultural lobbies.
- He did not neglect the nitty-gritty of EU institutions, repeating his support for transnational MEPs and throwing his weight behind plans to limit the European commission to 15 members
- Macron called for the creation of European universities and said that by 2024 all European students should be able to speak at least two European languages

PostRe: Brexit by **Alvin Flummux** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:44 pm

Nice words, but let's see if it can happen.

PostRe: Brexit by **Moggy** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:58 pm

I like those ideas but there would be no chance of the UK ever voting to join that! We could be poorer than South Sudan and our population would still balk at the idea of our people having to speak two languages and that wouldn’t be the most contentious item on that list!

PostRe: Brexit by **Grumpy David** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:34 pm

twitter.com/yougov/status/912696665919885312

How could anyone possibly believe Corbyn wants to remain? This is a man who hasn't changed his mind on any political issue in decades and belongs to the leftwing Bennite view of the EU.

PostRe: Brexit by **Errkal** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:45 pm

People idiots and labour people are so blinded by him being a lefty they haven't paid any attention to the fact he is a leave person.

In the local party there are people who are looked down on and shunned because they didn't vote for corbyn. It's a really strange strawberry floated up cult it really is.

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