Brexit

PostRe: Brexit by **Hypes** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:44 pm

Squinty wrote:I'm not sure I would ever want to see him as PM. But I feel like he is more sincere in his desire to help the poor. But then that is hardly a compliment given the current government.

Denster?

PostRe: Brexit by **Moggy** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:50 pm

Denster wrote:Sorry for deviating?

We are not all soulless devils? Exactly why are those two?

What have they done that qualifies them for that label?

No need to apologise, it just looked like you went from a proud “we” to realising the Tories are messed up at the moment so you flipped to “they”.

I was joking about soulless devils based on what you said. Although Boris and JRM come as close to soulless devils as I can imagine in mainstream British politics.

PostRe: Brexit by **Denster** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:08 pm

Nah. They’re just honest about some of their beliefs.
The real pieces of work in the Tory part are the ones behind the scenes. The plotters. Eurosceptics, far right idiots who are genuinely everything people hate about the Tory party.
They never really rule though because they don’t have the skill or courage they be anything than backbenchers.

They just form the part of the part that make trouble. It is them that Cameron tried to appease with the referendum.

PostRe: Brexit by **Tineash** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:28 pm

It's John Major's 'bastards'. 20 years later, it's the same bastards!

PostRe: Brexit by **Moggy** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:29 pm

Denster wrote:Nah. They’re just honest about some of their beliefs.

JRM maybe, although his beliefs are horrific.

Boris being honest? :lol:

The only belief that Boris has is that Boris is wonderful. He doesn't give a gooseberry fool about anybody or have any beliefs other than his own ambition.

PostRe: Brexit by **Denster** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:49 pm

But he knows this and knows other people know it. He just enjoys playing the game but if he doesn’t win - he’ll just do something else. He loves politics. Loves it.
Loves debating, loves the attention and is very popular.
But he knows his act doesn’t fool everyone. He just doesn’t give a strawberry float when he’s found out.
So maybe not honest but at least he’s entertaining.

Like me really. Loud, brash, arrogant, attention seeking, obnoxious but still loveable.

PostRe: Brexit by **Squinty** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:02 pm

Hyperion wrote:
Squinty wrote:I'm not sure I would ever want to see him as PM. But I feel like he is more sincere in his desire to help the poor. But then that is hardly a compliment given the current government.

Denster?

No, we can't have Denster as PM, he would deliver Brexit just to make everyone in this thread cry.

On the plus side, every UK citizen might get a free GRcade buttplug.

PostRe: Brexit by **Moggy** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:23 pm

Denster wrote:But he knows this and knows other people know it. He just enjoys playing the game but if he doesn’t win - he’ll just do something else. He loves politics. Loves it.
Loves debating, loves the attention and is very popular.
But he knows his act doesn’t fool everyone. He just doesn’t give a strawberry float when he’s found out.
So maybe not honest but at least he’s entertaining.

Like me really. Loud, brash, arrogant, attention seeking, obnoxious but still loveable.

You realise all of that also describes Trump?

Does it not worry you to have somebody like that as one of the top people in your party?

PostRe: Brexit by **Denster** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:31 pm

I agree about Boris. He is ambitious and all that I said but he was mayor of London and wanted to make London better while he did it. You could argue how successful he was.
I think he does believe Brexit can be a success but even if it isn’t - he wants to take that chance. There’s a strong resistance to other countries controlling our fate. It runs through the marrow of this country.
It isn’t racist or xenophobic (although it is used by them). It’s part of us being an island and not part of the main landmass.

PostRe: Brexit by **Moggy** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:39 pm

Denster wrote::lol:

I agree about Boris. He is ambitious and all that I said but he was mayor of London and wanted to make London better while he did it. You could argue how successful he was.

He wanted to make London better or he thought running London would make him look like a better candidate for PM?

I think he does believe Brexit can be a success but even if it isn’t - he wants to take that chance.

I don't believe that either. He wrote two articles remembers, one against Brexit, one in favour. In the end he went with Brexit, mainly because he knew it would appeal to the hard right of the Tory party and make them more likely to support him against Cameron. The worst thing for Boris was that he actually won the referendum.

There’s a strong resistance to other countries controlling our fate. It runs through the marrow of this country.

That's not what the vast majority of MPs and the current cabinet thought.

Plus Brexit isn't going to allow Britain to control its own fate. We are more in need of other countries than ever.

It isn’t racist or xenophobic (although it is used by them). It’s part of us being an island and not part of the main landmass.

Racist maybe not. Xenophobic, definitely.

PostRe: Brexit by **Denster** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:57 pm

Well. As is usual we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

PostRe: Brexit by **DML** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:00 pm

Denster wrote:But he knows this and knows other people know it. He just enjoys playing the game but if he doesn’t win - he’ll just do something else. He loves politics. Loves it.
Loves debating, loves the attention and is very popular.
But he knows his act doesn’t fool everyone. He just doesn’t give a strawberry float when he’s found out.
So maybe not honest but at least he’s entertaining.

Like me really. Loud, brash, arrogant, attention seeking, obnoxious but still loveable.

PostRe: Brexit by **Denster** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:11 pm

I didn’t say universally loveable.

I know you don’t love me. I love you, though. Sometimes I even wonder what I’d do without you.
Xx

PostRe: Brexit by **Moggy** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:17 pm

Denster wrote:I didn’t say universally loveable.

I know you don’t love me. I love you, though. Sometimes I even wonder what I’d do without you.
Xx

I reckon that without him you would vote Labour. You are only a Tory so that you can hate flirt with DML.

PostRe: Brexit by **Denster** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:32 pm

That’s monstrous. I couldn’t vote Labour not even when they were Tory lite under Blair.

PostRe: Brexit by **Moggy** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:31 pm

Growing more food is going to go well. :lol:

twitter.com/susborne/status/920634191561281536

PostRe: Brexit by **Garth** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:23 pm

twitter.com/vincecable/status/920001157220765696

Referring to:

The ALDE Group in the European Parliament has today expressed its deep concern at the emergence of a letter from the United Kingdom’s Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union, David Davis, to the leader of the UK Liberal Democrats Vince Cable.

The letter requested that the leader of the Liberal Democrats “take action against the MEP from your party” for voting against the “best interests of the UK and the EU” and for “frustrating Brexit”, following ALDE MEP Catherine Bearder’s decision to vote in favour of the European Parliament’s Brexit resolution, adopted on the 3rd October.

http://alde.eu/en/news/999-liberals-and ... arder-mep/

EU leaders aim to let Theresa May down gently over trade talks
PM’s counterparts at summit will refuse to widen Brexit negotiations but talk up her efforts for fear of weakening her further

EU leaders at a crunch summit dinner are set to rebuff Theresa May’s appeal for trade talks while they seek to publicly talk up her efforts in the Brexit negotiations as they fear that the prime minister’s domestic weakness will leave her unable to make vital concessions on Britain’s divorce bill.

The German chancellor, Angela Merkel, will lead European leaders in Brussels on Thursday in seeking to put the best gloss on their refusal to widen the talks, according to diplomatic sources. “There are ways to say it kindly and encouragingly or less kindly and less encouraging,” said one senior EU diplomat.

The member states are acutely aware that the prime minister needs to come out of the summit with her dignity intact if she is to get her cabinet and party to accept concessions on the divorce bill, estimates of which vary from about €60bn to €100bn (£54bn to £90bn).

One diplomat said they feared it was “50-50” whether there would be an agreement at the next key European council summit, in December, that sufficient progress had been made in the Brexit talks, amid some concern in Brussels about the stability of May’s premiership.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rade-talks

Seems she earned their pity on her recent visit.

PostRe: Brexit by **Moggy** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:48 pm

twitter.com/dmreporter/status/920743422541131776

PostRe: Brexit by **Denster** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:55 pm

Bring it on. The more poor people die from starvation. The less labour voters there will be.

Survival of the ~~fittest~~ richest.

PostRe: Brexit by **Lex-Man** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:56 pm

I really don't get the love for Boris the man is a walking joke. He's been twice been fired from the cabinet. He was fired from the Times for making quotes up. He had to go to Liverpool to apologise for stuff he wrote. He's actually hated by his own party. Also there is a good chance he trying to get fired from the cabinet so he can blame May for anything that goes wrong with Brexit so he can launch a new leadership challenge.

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