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Denster wrote:

DML wrote:

Denster wrote:

DML wrote:

Denster wrote:

DML wrote:The important difference with May and a second term president is that she could be removed by rebels at anytime within her own party. She is absolutely treading on eggshells, theres nothing cavalier about what she can do right now.

Actually that just isn’t true. They tried only a couple of weeks ago after the conference and they didn’t have the support. She has since started to make headway.
This myth that they are kingmakers abd king breakers really needs to be debunked.

They are a small group of malcontents.
The only time they have any real sway is In times of real upheaval and threat. when the majority of the party are ripe for rebellion.
Like immediately after the election.

This and the Tories will tear themselves apart notion really is wishful thinking.

They’ll piss and moan and cause some upheaval and delay - as they already have done but that is all.

The big hitters, Gove and Johnson will make their remarks but will have to accept the deal we get and any concessions we make.

I’ve watched this party of wolves for years. They never change.

Well that damage is done whether they sack May or not...

The fact remains that May is not as comfortable as Obama coasting his second term, to say otherwise is lunacy.

That’s not what I said. I said like a second term president. I specifically didn’t mention a particular president to avoid ludicrous comparisons. Nice selective reply though to make a point.
There isn’t any damage done. There sjways been infighting in the Tory party. We’ve always done it.

Yes wishful thinking and optimism on your part - so we ‘get what’s coming to us’ to paraphrase your rhetoric - but is simply isn’t true. They fight but unite under a strong leader eventually.
May has actually shown a bit of strength and leadership. Even if it’s a little too late for herself.
The Party will carry on in the same way. I know you disagree and fervently hope not but hope is a dangerous business in politics.

Well see if she survives her term hmm? Didn't mean to be selective of Obama, could be any second term president.

That’s my whole point. She won’t survive the whole term. She won’t contest the next GE. Like a second term president won’t contest the next presidential election. That’s where the comparison begins and ends.

Denster wrote:

DML wrote:

Denster wrote:

DML wrote:

Denster wrote:

DML wrote:The important difference with May and a second term president is that she could be removed by rebels at anytime within her own party. She is absolutely treading on eggshells, theres nothing cavalier about what she can do right now.

Actually that just isn’t true. They tried only a couple of weeks ago after the conference and they didn’t have the support. She has since started to make headway.
This myth that they are kingmakers abd king breakers really needs to be debunked.

They are a small group of malcontents.
The only time they have any real sway is In times of real upheaval and threat. when the majority of the party are ripe for rebellion.
Like immediately after the election.

This and the Tories will tear themselves apart notion really is wishful thinking.

They’ll piss and moan and cause some upheaval and delay - as they already have done but that is all.

The big hitters, Gove and Johnson will make their remarks but will have to accept the deal we get and any concessions we make.

I’ve watched this party of wolves for years. They never change.

Well that damage is done whether they sack May or not...

The fact remains that May is not as comfortable as Obama coasting his second term, to say otherwise is lunacy.

That’s not what I said. I said like a second term president. I specifically didn’t mention a particular president to avoid ludicrous comparisons. Nice selective reply though to make a point.
There isn’t any damage done. There sjways been infighting in the Tory party. We’ve always done it.

Yes wishful thinking and optimism on your part - so we ‘get what’s coming to us’ to paraphrase your rhetoric - but is simply isn’t true. They fight but unite under a strong leader eventually.
May has actually shown a bit of strength and leadership. Even if it’s a little too late for herself.
The Party will carry on in the same way. I know you disagree and fervently hope not but hope is a dangerous business in politics.

Well see if she survives her term hmm? Didn't mean to be selective of Obama, could be any second term president.

That’s my whole point. She won’t survive the whole term. She won’t contest the next GE. Like a second term president won’t contest the next presidential election. That’s where the comparison begins and ends.

Denster wrote:

DML wrote:

Denster wrote:

DML wrote:

Denster wrote:

DML wrote:The important difference with May and a second term president is that she could be removed by rebels at anytime within her own party. She is absolutely treading on eggshells, theres nothing cavalier about what she can do right now.

Actually that just isn’t true. They tried only a couple of weeks ago after the conference and they didn’t have the support. She has since started to make headway.
This myth that they are kingmakers abd king breakers really needs to be debunked.

They are a small group of malcontents.
The only time they have any real sway is In times of real upheaval and threat. when the majority of the party are ripe for rebellion.
Like immediately after the election.

This and the Tories will tear themselves apart notion really is wishful thinking.

They’ll piss and moan and cause some upheaval and delay - as they already have done but that is all.

The big hitters, Gove and Johnson will make their remarks but will have to accept the deal we get and any concessions we make.

I’ve watched this party of wolves for years. They never change.

Well that damage is done whether they sack May or not...

The fact remains that May is not as comfortable as Obama coasting his second term, to say otherwise is lunacy.

That’s not what I said. I said like a second term president. I specifically didn’t mention a particular president to avoid ludicrous comparisons. Nice selective reply though to make a point.
There isn’t any damage done. There sjways been infighting in the Tory party. We’ve always done it.

Yes wishful thinking and optimism on your part - so we ‘get what’s coming to us’ to paraphrase your rhetoric - but is simply isn’t true. They fight but unite under a strong leader eventually.
May has actually shown a bit of strength and leadership. Even if it’s a little too late for herself.
The Party will carry on in the same way. I know you disagree and fervently hope not but hope is a dangerous business in politics.

Well see if she survives her term hmm? Didn't mean to be selective of Obama, could be any second term president.

That’s my whole point. She won’t survive the whole term. She won’t contest the next GE. Like a second term president won’t contest the next presidential election. That’s where the comparison begins and ends.

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
What I am not convinced of is the talk of us continuing to pay towards pension contributions for EU staff after we leave. I need to her more of an explanation on this.

The Sun Says wrote:SURPRISE, surprise! Theresa May hints we might up our cash offer — and suddenly the EU wants to talk about a trade deal.

It was only ever about money, as The Sun said.

We are cautiously optimistic after the PM’s deft handling of Thursday’s summit. But EU leaders need to be realistic, both on the bill voters here will stomach and our willingness to walk away.

The initial demand, for 100billion euros, was laughable. President Macron still says our £18billion offer is less than half what they want. An EU diplomat puts that figure at a staggering £48billion.

If so, our PM would need to convince taxpayers why that huge sum, or anything like it, is worth paying to maintain tariff-free trade with the single market while freeing us to make our own lucrative deals unbound by Brussels’ rules.

She would also need to explain why it makes more financial sense than a “no deal”, though some estimates of long-term losses from that dwarf £48billion.

But Macron, Angela Merkel and others must understand Britain is not bluffing about taking our chances and abandoning ship without paying a penny.

We are already investing in it. If they continue delaying trade talks in December, our Government and businesses must plan for leaving on WTO rules. It may gain unstoppable momentum.

Labour farce

WHAT a pantomime the Labour Party has become.

One minute its Grand Dame Jeremy Corbyn is flouncing around Brussels pretending to be the Prime Minister in charge of Brexit negotiations.

The next his ally Clive Lewis MP is ripped apart by his own female colleagues for hollering “on your knees, bitch” as Momentum morons whoop with teenage glee.

Meanwhile chairman Ian Lavery is neck deep in a scandal that saw him mysteriously trouser £165,000 from a tiny ten-member union he once ran.

This rabble styles itself the “Government in waiting”.

The absolute state of them, as their Twitter trolls would say.

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Squinty wrote:I still do not know where that 100 billion figure came from. I remember seeing it first in an prediction article from the FT. Has it actually came from the EU or what?

Moggy wrote:

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Rocsteady wrote:strawberry floating reprobate banana splits.

Ah send all the lazy immigrants back lol just my opinion though yeah haha

Moggy wrote:

Rocsteady wrote:strawberry floating reprobate banana splits.

Ah send all the lazy immigrants back lol just my opinion though yeah haha

“It’s just my opinion” seems to be the new “I’m not racist but...”.

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:It's really hard not to get angry with them, but I have to keep telling myself that the thick banana splits don't know any better.