Brexit

Denster wrote:So you obviously campaigned vociferously for the Remain campaign then?

Organised rallies? Spoke with verve and passion to everyone you knew? Spent countless hours trying to convince any fence sitters or apathetic voters to vote Remain?

No. Course not.

It’s not our responsibility to be proactive. It’s our right to be angry after the result at all the thick people who voted in greater numbers than the intelligent ones.

Oh sorry. Your right.



I do keep getting those mixed up.

I persuaded people to vote Remain who were unsure. I did my bit. Pretty hard when you spend most of your time in London though, the sanest part of the country.

I accuse Channel 4 of making that video on purpose. How dare they present leave voters as educationally subnormal?!

Not one of those strawberry floating idiots has a single strawberry floating clue about anything and that’s what we’re basing our decision to leave the EU on. strawberry floating racist old unemployable banana splits.

I think we can blame the rich and powerful far-right conservatives who deliberately lied to & miseducated the public. I think we can blame our political leaders for spinelessly granting the referendum, then comprehensively losing it. I think we can blame the subset of the Leave voter-base that was conned (I know, #NotAllLeavers...) for being so damn unbelievably gullible.

I don't think we can blame uncharasmatic nerds on a gaming forum for not somehow getting up on TV and single-handedly swaying a million voters. We voted Remain, we told our undecided friends to vote Remain, and I think that's fair enough.

Denster wrote:So you obviously campaigned vociferously for the Remain campaign then?

Organised rallies? Spoke with verve and passion to everyone you knew? Spent countless hours trying to convince any fence sitters or apathetic voters to vote Remain?

No. Course not.

It’s not our responsibility to be proactive. It’s our right to be angry after the result at all the thick people who voted in greater numbers than the intelligent ones.

Oh sorry. Your right.



I do keep getting those mixed up.

That is an utterly ridiculous post on so many levels.

You seem to be suggesting that those who feature in that channel 4 video aren't thick people.

And if we did do what you suggest - I wrote a number of pro-EU articles prior to the referendum for a fairly prominent European online news site. Am I then the only one now entitled be angry?

Denster wrote:So you obviously campaigned vociferously for the Remain campaign then?

Organised rallies? Spoke with verve and passion to everyone you knew? Spent countless hours trying to convince any fence sitters or apathetic voters to vote Remain?

No. Course not.

It’s not our responsibility to be proactive. It’s our right to be angry after the result at all the thick people who voted in greater numbers than the intelligent ones.

Oh sorry. Your right.



I do keep getting those mixed up.

I did, one of my work colleagues is one of those dyed in the wool tories, you know the sort, the type that will vote Tory no matter how detrimental it is to their own life’s. She was an leave voter.

No matter the information I suppplied her with, both economic and social, she didn’t want to listen. She acknowledge the fact that I had researched all my facts, but still didn’t want to listen.

Now this woman is married to a Dutchman, frequently travels over to Holland, so has been directly hit by her own actions, as most Brexiteers have been.

We asked her if she would vote leave again, she replied that she would, for reasons that she couldn’t discuss at work.

That’ll be the racist reasons then.

DML wrote:

Denster wrote:So you obviously campaigned vociferously for the Remain campaign then?

Organised rallies? Spoke with verve and passion to everyone you knew? Spent countless hours trying to convince any fence sitters or apathetic voters to vote Remain?

No. Course not.

It’s not our responsibility to be proactive. It’s our right to be angry after the result at all the thick people who voted in greater numbers than the intelligent ones.

Oh sorry. Your right.



I do keep getting those mixed up.

I persuaded people to vote Remain who were unsure. I did my bit. Pretty hard when you spend most of your time in London though, the sanest part of the country.

Very true.

OnlyShallow wrote:

Denster wrote:So you obviously campaigned vociferously for the Remain campaign then?

Organised rallies? Spoke with verve and passion to everyone you knew? Spent countless hours trying to convince any fence sitters or apathetic voters to vote Remain?

No. Course not.

It’s not our responsibility to be proactive. It’s our right to be angry after the result at all the thick people who voted in greater numbers than the intelligent ones.

Oh sorry. Your right.



I do keep getting those mixed up.

I did, one of my work colleagues is one of those dyed in the wool tories, you know the sort, the type that will vote Tory no matter how detrimental it is to their own life’s. She was an leave voter.

No matter the information I suppplied her with, both economic and social, she didn’t want to listen. She acknowledge the fact that I had researched all my facts, but still didn’t want to listen.

Now this woman is married to a Dutchman, frequently travels over to Holland, so has been directly hit by her own actions, as most Brexiteers have been.

We asked her if she would vote leave again, she replied that she would, for reasons that she couldn’t discuss at work.

That’ll be the racist reasons then.

So not a fence sitter or apathetic then?

Clearly just a racist. Without the courage to admit it.

Rocsteady wrote:

Denster wrote:So you obviously campaigned vociferously for the Remain campaign then?

Organised rallies? Spoke with verve and passion to everyone you knew? Spent countless hours trying to convince any fence sitters or apathetic voters to vote Remain?

No. Course not.

It’s not our responsibility to be proactive. It’s our right to be angry after the result at all the thick people who voted in greater numbers than the intelligent ones.

Oh sorry. Your right.



I do keep getting those mixed up.

That is an utterly ridiculous post on so many levels.

You seem to be suggesting that those who feature in that channel 4 video aren't thick people.

And if we did do what you suggest - I wrote a number of pro-EU articles prior to the referendum for a fairly prominent European online news site. Am I then the only one now entitled be angry?

All of us who voted Remain are entitled to be angry at all the people who have been outlined by yourself and Karl.
Rightly so.
Of course they’re stupid and gullible. Yes they deserved derision and contempt for those opinions and their ignorance and deserve our ire and indignation.

I still reserve some for those who didn’t do enough. They’re no where near equally culpable but bear some responsibility.
It’s the circular argument in this thread.

I’m annoyed at myself and reproachful I didn’t do more and I’m also angry at those who didn’t vote who would have voted Remain.
But all this anger and indignation is impotent.

I would argue it doesn’t do any good or make any of you feel better.

As a psychiatric nurse - I’m not fond of getting angry and venting over issues that’s gone and can’t be got back or altered.

I think that’s where some of my frustration on this thread stems from.
We should be angry but what does it actually achieve?

Precious little I’d argue.

Denster wrote:

OnlyShallow wrote:

Denster wrote:So you obviously campaigned vociferously for the Remain campaign then?

Organised rallies? Spoke with verve and passion to everyone you knew? Spent countless hours trying to convince any fence sitters or apathetic voters to vote Remain?

No. Course not.

It’s not our responsibility to be proactive. It’s our right to be angry after the result at all the thick people who voted in greater numbers than the intelligent ones.

Oh sorry. Your right.



I do keep getting those mixed up.

I did, one of my work colleagues is one of those dyed in the wool tories, you know the sort, the type that will vote Tory no matter how detrimental it is to their own life’s. She was an leave voter.

No matter the information I suppplied her with, both economic and social, she didn’t want to listen. She acknowledge the fact that I had researched all my facts, but still didn’t want to listen.

Now this woman is married to a Dutchman, frequently travels over to Holland, so has been directly hit by her own actions, as most Brexiteers have been.

We asked her if she would vote leave again, she replied that she would, for reasons that she couldn’t discuss at work.

That’ll be the racist reasons then.

So not a fence sitter or apathetic then?

Clearly just a racist. Without the courage to admit it.

Thanks for clearing that up for me Denster. I wasn’t sure, but that just confirmed it for me.













You’re just trolling this thread.

OnlyShallow wrote:

Denster wrote:

OnlyShallow wrote:

Denster wrote:So you obviously campaigned vociferously for the Remain campaign then?

Organised rallies? Spoke with verve and passion to everyone you knew? Spent countless hours trying to convince any fence sitters or apathetic voters to vote Remain?

No. Course not.

It’s not our responsibility to be proactive. It’s our right to be angry after the result at all the thick people who voted in greater numbers than the intelligent ones.

Oh sorry. Your right.



I do keep getting those mixed up.

I did, one of my work colleagues is one of those dyed in the wool tories, you know the sort, the type that will vote Tory no matter how detrimental it is to their own life’s. She was an leave voter.

No matter the information I suppplied her with, both economic and social, she didn’t want to listen. She acknowledge the fact that I had researched all my facts, but still didn’t want to listen.

Now this woman is married to a Dutchman, frequently travels over to Holland, so has been directly hit by her own actions, as most Brexiteers have been.

We asked her if she would vote leave again, she replied that she would, for reasons that she couldn’t discuss at work.

That’ll be the racist reasons then.

So not a fence sitter or apathetic then?

Clearly just a racist. Without the courage to admit it.

Thanks for clearing that up for me Denster. I wasn’t sure, but that just confirmed it for me.













You’re just trolling this thread.

No. You missed my point - I said focus on the fence sitters and apathetic voters. She clearly isn’t one.

Denster wrote:

OnlyShallow wrote:

Denster wrote:

OnlyShallow wrote:

Denster wrote:So you obviously campaigned vociferously for the Remain campaign then?

Organised rallies? Spoke with verve and passion to everyone you knew? Spent countless hours trying to convince any fence sitters or apathetic voters to vote Remain?

No. Course not.

It’s not our responsibility to be proactive. It’s our right to be angry after the result at all the thick people who voted in greater numbers than the intelligent ones.

Oh sorry. Your right.



I do keep getting those mixed up.

I did, one of my work colleagues is one of those dyed in the wool tories, you know the sort, the type that will vote Tory no matter how detrimental it is to their own life’s. She was an leave voter.

No matter the information I suppplied her with, both economic and social, she didn’t want to listen. She acknowledge the fact that I had researched all my facts, but still didn’t want to listen.

Now this woman is married to a Dutchman, frequently travels over to Holland, so has been directly hit by her own actions, as most Brexiteers have been.

We asked her if she would vote leave again, she replied that she would, for reasons that she couldn’t discuss at work.

That’ll be the racist reasons then.

So not a fence sitter or apathetic then?

Clearly just a racist. Without the courage to admit it.

Thanks for clearing that up for me Denster. I wasn’t sure, but that just confirmed it for me.













You’re just trolling this thread.

No. You missed my point - I said focus on the fence sitters and apathetic voters. She clearly isn’t one.

Nope. I got your point.

Denster wrote:

Rocsteady wrote:

Denster wrote:So you obviously campaigned vociferously for the Remain campaign then?

Organised rallies? Spoke with verve and passion to everyone you knew? Spent countless hours trying to convince any fence sitters or apathetic voters to vote Remain?

No. Course not.

It’s not our responsibility to be proactive. It’s our right to be angry after the result at all the thick people who voted in greater numbers than the intelligent ones.

Oh sorry. Your right.



I do keep getting those mixed up.

That is an utterly ridiculous post on so many levels.

You seem to be suggesting that those who feature in that channel 4 video aren't thick people.

And if we did do what you suggest - I wrote a number of pro-EU articles prior to the referendum for a fairly prominent European online news site. Am I then the only one now entitled be angry?

All of us who voted Remain are entitled to be angry at all the people who have been outlined by yourself and Karl.
Rightly so.
Of course they’re stupid and gullible. Yes they deserved derision and contempt for those opinions and their ignorance and deserve our ire and indignation.

I still reserve some for those who didn’t do enough. They’re no where near equally culpable but bear some responsibility.
It’s the circular argument in this thread.

I’m annoyed at myself and reproachful I didn’t do more and I’m also angry at those who didn’t vote who would have voted Remain.
But all this anger and indignation is impotent.

I would argue it doesn’t do any good or make any of you feel better.

As a psychiatric nurse - I’m not fond of getting angry and venting over issues that’s gone and can’t be got back or altered.

I think that’s where some of my frustration on this thread stems from.
We should be angry but what does it actually achieve?

Precious little I’d argue.

Fair enough, I agree with most of that.

Be angry enough to vote against the Leave parties at the next election. #LibDemSupremacy

Too far Alvin

Lucien wrote:

Blue Eyes wrote:I accuse Channel 4 of making that video on purpose. How dare they present leave voters as educationally subnormal?!

It was hideously biased though. I'd be ashamed of putting that out (anything similar with a heavy Remain or Leave bias, it makes no difference) as a news editor. It's not journalism; it's a hit piece on Barnsley/Leave voters. You'd never catch the BBC doing that (some people say the BBC can be biased, but if that's true they're not that biased).

How do you know it's biased though? Those people said those things after all.

Yeah i imagine the remain equivalent video would be horrific.

Don't send them all home and that, would be shocking.

If you want to relive the whole thing from the beginning

Lucien wrote:

DML wrote:

Lucien wrote:

Blue Eyes wrote:I accuse Channel 4 of making that video on purpose. How dare they present leave voters as educationally subnormal?!

It was hideously biased though. I'd be ashamed of putting that out (anything similar with a heavy Remain or Leave bias, it makes no difference) as a news editor. It's not journalism; it's a hit piece on Barnsley/Leave voters. You'd never catch the BBC doing that (some people say the BBC can be biased, but if that's true they're not that biased).

How do you know it's biased though? Those people said those things after all.

It starts with a guy being cut off so they can show an old lady saying 99% of foreigners are criminals (or some jibberish). Later they just show someone saying "I think there's too many here anyway". Next! It honestly doesn't surprise me people are turning against the media when I see things like that.

Do you know the number of anti-bias hoops TV shows in this country have to jump through? They are endless!

Just because you don't agree with it doesn't always equal 'bias'. But I'm sure you know more than me not working in TV and all.

Lucien wrote:

DML wrote:Do you know the number of anti-bias hoops TV shows in this country have to jump through? They are endless!

Just because you don't agree with it doesn't always equal 'bias'. But I'm sure you know more than me not working in TV and all.

You say that but there's no way that was cut to show a wonderful array of opinions. Hell, half the time the "journalist" didn't include his question. But look we can disagree, one question though: do you think the BBC would have aired that? It's not a trick question.

Yes.