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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
222
80%
Leave the European Union
57
20%
 
Total votes: 279
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PostRe: Brexit
by Hexx » Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:14 pm

twitter.com/davidschneider/status/933358167039381505


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PostRe: Brexit
by Meep » Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:55 pm

If that is the sum cost of no deal scenario I will consider it the deal the century.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:28 pm

Meep wrote:If that is the sum cost of no deal scenario I will consider it the deal the century.


That’s the cost per hour. ;)

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:28 pm

There's a good article on the Guardian website about the border and its inhabitants. Also has this wee short in the article which I thought was quite endearing.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:43 am

twitter.com/pointlesslettrs/status/933480730008719360



:lol: :dread:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Photek » Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:57 am

European Dismay at UK Confusion

Some EU figures talk of "chaos" in the British government.

The report reveals that at a meeting between David Davis, Britain's Brexit Secretary, and the French ministers for Defence and European Affairs, Mr Davis barely mentioned Brexit.

This was much to the surprise of his hosts, who had regarded the meeting as an opportunity for Mr Davis to unblock French resistance to negotiations graduating to the next phase.

During a meeting in Luxembourg, the British judge in the European Court of justice bemoaned "the quality of politicians in Westminster".


https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2017/1123/922191-brexit-embassies/

The Brexit Veto: How and why Ireland raised the stakes.

Dublin needed something concrete from London. It was two months since the Guiding Principles Paper, and since then the EU26 had had nothing on Ireland to work on – no papers, no drafts.

Ireland therefore had two reasons to up the ante: to keep the pressure on the British, and to provide something tangible for the EU26. "There’s always the importance of avoiding a vacuum," says one Irish source.

There was pressure from other quarters. On 30 October, Ireland’s Commissioner Phil Hogan met arch Brexiteer and UK Environment Secretary Michael Gove at the World Dairy Summit in Belfast.

It’s understood Hogan pressed upon Gove the need for the UK to properly examine the need for Northern Ireland – if not the UK as a whole – to remain in the customs union and single market if Britain was to get serious about avoiding a hard border.

Gove, according to a source, gave little away except to acknowledge Hogan’s argument. Another source said Gove offered a hint that there may be some "all-island" opening on agrifood.

On 6 November, Phil Hogan had a breakfast meeting with James Brokenshire, the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, at the European Commission headquarters in Brussels, during which Hogan drove home the same arguments he had made to Michael Gove. Again, the indications are that Brokenshire was unimpressed.

That afternoon, Brokenshire delivered a speech to the European Policy Centre (EPC) in Brussels. He told the audience: "We joined the Common Market in 1973 as one United Kingdom and we will leave the European Union in 2019 as one United Kingdom. And as the Prime Minister has made clear, leaving the EU will mean that we leave both the single market and the customs union."

The text of the speech continued: "I find it difficult to imagine how Northern Ireland could somehow remain in while the rest of the country leaves."

However, going off script, Brokenshire added that he would find it "impossible" to imagine Northern Ireland remaining in the customs union and single market.

Brokenshire repeated aspects of London’s August paper on Ireland, highlighting trusted trader and all-island agrifood and epidemiological options as ways to avoid a hard border. Again, these were met with by scorn by Irish officials as "mantra."


https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2017/1117/920981-long-read-brexit/

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PostRe: Brexit
by Garth » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:26 am

Brokenshire is useless, what's the point of him?

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:29 am

Gibraltar is heading for an abrupt exit from the single market without the benefit of any transition deal, according to senior Spanish government sources, who revealed that the British government had failed to offer any proposals on the future of the Rock.

The EU shocked Downing Street in April when it effectively backed Spain in the centuries-old territorial dispute. In guidelines outlining their approach to the Brexit negotiations, the 27 member states insisted Gibraltar would be outside any future trade deal with the UK unless an agreement was reached in advance with Madrid over its future status.

A Spanish government source said this stipulation included any deal on a transition period designed to soften the blow for the UK of falling out of the single market and customs union by retaining the status quo for a period after withdrawal.

There had been no proposals from either the British government or the government of Gibraltar on the future of the territory, over which Spain has a longstanding territorial claim, the source added.

Spain believes Gibraltar will now fall out of the single market on 29 March 2019. Gibraltar’s prime minister, Fabian Picardo, has previously suggested that a hard Brexit would pose an “existential threat”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... says-spain


Gibraltar is going to get absolutely strawberry floated in 2019.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Rex Kramer » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:34 am

I can't believe anyone in government didn't realise Spain would try to take advantage of this.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:37 am

Rex Kramer wrote:I can't believe anyone in government didn't realise Spain would try to take advantage of this.

They realised.
They just didn't care.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:37 am

Rex Kramer wrote:I can't believe anyone in government didn't realise Spain would try to take advantage of this.


I don’t think there is anyone in government that really realised anything. :lol:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Hexx » Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:00 am

Rex Kramer wrote:I can't believe anyone in government didn't realise Spain would try to take advantage of this.


Like a lot of things to do with Brexit they thought other people (EU and Spain in this case) would roll over and give them exactly what they wanted - even if against own self interests and stated viewpoints/opinions

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:09 am

Hexx wrote:
Rex Kramer wrote:I can't believe anyone in government didn't realise Spain would try to take advantage of this.


Like a lot of things to do with Brexit they thought other people (EU and Spain in this case) would roll over and give them exactly what they wanted - even if against own self interests and stated viewpoints/opinions


“Spain needs us far more than they need to own Gibraltar” ;)

I wonder how long it will be until Argentina realise Britain is standing alone and that they might get some sympathy from an EU free of British influence….

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PostRe: Brexit
by Tineash » Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:29 pm

Lagamorph wrote:
Rex Kramer wrote:I can't believe anyone in government didn't realise Spain would try to take advantage of this.

They realised.
They just didn't care.


Correct. Brexit is, in part, a misguided expression of English nationalism. The opinions of, or impacts on anyone else (like NI or Gibraltar) were not considered for one second.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Hexx » Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:55 pm

So after leaving the EU we won't be able to host the European City of Culture

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 71261.html

UK Government - disappointed and surprised

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PostRe: Brexit
by Cuttooth » Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:57 pm

Tineash wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:
Rex Kramer wrote:I can't believe anyone in government didn't realise Spain would try to take advantage of this.

They realised.
They just didn't care.


Correct. Brexit is, in part, a misguided expression of English nationalism. The opinions of, or impacts on anyone else (like NI or Gibraltar) were not considered for one second.

English imperialism is probably more apt. Voters didn't care about the impacts to non-English areas but will kick and scream should any suggestion of those areas leaving British rule be proposed.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Rex Kramer » Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:59 pm

Hexx wrote:So after leaving the EU we won't be able to host the European City of Culture

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 71261.html

UK Government - disappointed and surprised

Given Brexit meant Brexit, why have all these cities continued with their application once article 50 was invoked?

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PostRe: Brexit
by Garth » Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:10 pm

Hexx wrote:So after leaving the EU we won't be able to host the European City of Culture

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 71261.html

UK Government - disappointed and surprised

Why are people surprised by this :fp:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:11 pm

Garth wrote:
Hexx wrote:So after leaving the EU we won't be able to host the European City of Culture

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 71261.html

UK Government - disappointed and surprised

Why are people surprised by this :fp:


Because people are idiots.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Garth » Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:31 pm

Photek wrote:European Dismay at UK Confusion

Some EU figures talk of "chaos" in the British government.

The report reveals that at a meeting between David Davis, Britain's Brexit Secretary, and the French ministers for Defence and European Affairs, Mr Davis barely mentioned Brexit.

This was much to the surprise of his hosts, who had regarded the meeting as an opportunity for Mr Davis to unblock French resistance to negotiations graduating to the next phase.

During a meeting in Luxembourg, the British judge in the European Court of justice bemoaned "the quality of politicians in Westminster".


https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2017/1123/922191-brexit-embassies/

From that article:
Ian Forrester [UK judge in the European Court of Justice] wondered if the British public might view Brexit as "a great mistake" when they realised what leaving the EU entailed.

A minister in the Czech government told his Irish interlocutors that Britain's Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson was "unimpressive", but that at least he had "avoided any gaffes" during a visit in September.

The Czech Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs Jakub Dürr told officials "he felt sorry for British Ambassadors around the EU trying to communicate a coherent message when there is political confusion at home".


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