Brexit

It's pretty clear now that disaster awaits and in so many areas.

So why is no serious politician in the UK saying we need to get off this ledge?

Harry Ola wrote:It's pretty clear now that disaster awaits and in so many areas.

So why is no serious politician in the UK saying we need to get off this ledge?

Because they'd be branded by traitors by the media and worst case scenario we get another Jo Cox...

Benzin wrote:

Harry Ola wrote:It's pretty clear now that disaster awaits and in so many areas.

So why is no serious politician in the UK saying we need to get off this ledge?

Because they'd be branded by traitors by the media and worst case scenario we get another Jo Cox...

Some MPs are already getting death threats because they dared to speak out/vote against Brexit bills. And that’s how the crazies are reacting when everything is pretty much going their way!

Most politicians are rich and will not feel the really bad effects of Brexit and so they’ll vote it all through rather than kick up a stink.

Hexx wrote:So after leaving the EU we won't be able to host the European City of Culture

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 71261.html

UK Government - disappointed and surprised

Thought that lots of other cities had done that. Turns out that's UK city of culture. Didn't realise there were two different things

Hyperion wrote:

Hexx wrote:So after leaving the EU we won't be able to host the European City of Culture

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 71261.html

UK Government - disappointed and surprised

Thought that lots of other cities had done that. Turns out that's UK city of culture. Didn't realise there were two different things

Ive read a couple of articles and it's a bit confusing, apparently cities from countries not in the EU are allowed to bid as long as they are in Europe but they've said the UK cities can no longer bid. Is this the truth?

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Ive read a couple of articles and it's a bit confusing, apparently cities from countries not in the EU are allowed to bid as long as they are in Europe but they've said the UK cities can no longer bid. Is this the truth?

It's open to cities in EU member states, in countries that are candidates for EU membership, or in countries that are part of the European Economic Area, and the winner receives EU funding.

By 2023 the UK will very likely no longer be an EU member state, won't be looking to join the EU, and won't be in the EEA.

Asked how the government could argue it was eligible when it would not be a member of the EU or EEA, or seeking the join the EU, the spokesman cited the examples of Reykjavik, one of the capitals of culture in 2000, Stavanger in Norway in 2008 and Istanbul in 2010.

However, Iceland and Norway are EEA members, while Turkey began negotiations on membership in 2005. Asked about this, the spokesman referred the question to the Department for Digital, Culture, Media & Sport (DCMS).

Now just imagine how many other things people haven't thought through properly regarding Brexit.

Garth wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Ive read a couple of articles and it's a bit confusing, apparently cities from countries not in the EU are allowed to bid as long as they are in Europe but they've said the UK cities can no longer bid. Is this the truth?

It's open to cities in EU member states, in countries that are candidates for EU membership, or in countries that are part of the European Economic Area, and the winner receives EU funding.

By 2023 the UK will very likely no longer be an EU member state, won't be looking to join the EU, and won't be in the EEA.

Asked how the government could argue it was eligible when it would not be a member of the EU or EEA, or seeking the join the EU, the spokesman cited the examples of Reykjavik, one of the capitals of culture in 2000, Stavanger in Norway in 2008 and Istanbul in 2010.

However, Iceland and Norway are EEA members, while Turkey began negotiations on membership in 2005. Asked about this, the spokesman referred the question to the Department for Digital, Culture, Media & Sport (DCMS).

Now just imagine how many other things people haven't thought through properly regarding Brexit.

What I don’t like about it though is they opened up the applications in December 2016 and told uk cities that they could apply. This was all after the Brexit vote. Leeds has apparently spent £500k on their bid so far. Surely there will be a legal case with this.

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:

Garth wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Ive read a couple of articles and it's a bit confusing, apparently cities from countries not in the EU are allowed to bid as long as they are in Europe but they've said the UK cities can no longer bid. Is this the truth?

It's open to cities in EU member states, in countries that are candidates for EU membership, or in countries that are part of the European Economic Area, and the winner receives EU funding.

By 2023 the UK will very likely no longer be an EU member state, won't be looking to join the EU, and won't be in the EEA.

Asked how the government could argue it was eligible when it would not be a member of the EU or EEA, or seeking the join the EU, the spokesman cited the examples of Reykjavik, one of the capitals of culture in 2000, Stavanger in Norway in 2008 and Istanbul in 2010.

However, Iceland and Norway are EEA members, while Turkey began negotiations on membership in 2005. Asked about this, the spokesman referred the question to the Department for Digital, Culture, Media & Sport (DCMS).

Now just imagine how many other things people haven't thought through properly regarding Brexit.

What I don’t like about it though is they opened up the applications in December 2016 and told uk cities that they could apply. This was all after the Brexit vote. Leeds has apparently spent £500k on their bid so far. Surely there will be a legal case with this.

Article 50 hadn't been triggered at that point though.

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:

Hyperion wrote:

Hexx wrote:So after leaving the EU we won't be able to host the European City of Culture

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 71261.html

UK Government - disappointed and surprised

Thought that lots of other cities had done that. Turns out that's UK city of culture. Didn't realise there were two different things

Ive read a couple of articles and it's a bit confusing, apparently cities from countries not in the EU are allowed to bid as long as they are in Europe but they've said the UK cities can no longer bid. Is this the truth?

Yoi have to be member of the EU or EEA, or seeking the join the EU.

The Goverment’s ‘Brexit means Brexit’ and ‘ww Won’t be in SM or CU’ rules out EEA

The UK is getting exactly what it wanted

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:

Garth wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Ive read a couple of articles and it's a bit confusing, apparently cities from countries not in the EU are allowed to bid as long as they are in Europe but they've said the UK cities can no longer bid. Is this the truth?

It's open to cities in EU member states, in countries that are candidates for EU membership, or in countries that are part of the European Economic Area, and the winner receives EU funding.

By 2023 the UK will very likely no longer be an EU member state, won't be looking to join the EU, and won't be in the EEA.

Asked how the government could argue it was eligible when it would not be a member of the EU or EEA, or seeking the join the EU, the spokesman cited the examples of Reykjavik, one of the capitals of culture in 2000, Stavanger in Norway in 2008 and Istanbul in 2010.

However, Iceland and Norway are EEA members, while Turkey began negotiations on membership in 2005. Asked about this, the spokesman referred the question to the Department for Digital, Culture, Media & Sport (DCMS).

Now just imagine how many other things people haven't thought through properly regarding Brexit.

What I don’t like about it though is they opened up the applications in December 2016 and told uk cities that they could apply. This was all after the Brexit vote. Leeds has apparently spent £500k on their bid so far. Surely there will be a legal case with this.

Yeah but before Article 50 and before May (and her Brexitters) made it clear how hard a Brexit they were going to target. Brexit doesn’t make us ineligible - what the Torues (and Lab) have since decided Brexit means does...

Of course it’s everyone else’s fault though going off press releases.

It looks like Nigel doesn’t understand that OUT MEANS OUT!

twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/933777396091817984

strawberry floating hell Nigel you asked for this.

He's just peddling hate like he is always doing.

I don't understand why there is so much shock about this. I mean, for strawberry floats sake, we are leaving, we won't fit the criteria for hosting it at that point. Why are people expecting this?

Dual wrote:strawberry floating hell Nigel you asked for this.

Yes but he never expected the EU to be vindictive enough to actually give him what he asked for.

Squinty wrote:I don't understand why there is so much shock about this. I mean, for strawberry floats sake, we are leaving, we won't fit the criteria for hosting it at that point. Why are people expecting this?

Probably because they were told by government ministers that we could have our cake and eat it.

There is a huge number of people in this country that think we can leave the EU, stop paying any contributions and stop following any EU rules and also get all of the benefits of membership. That's why the idea of "they need us more than we need them" was so dangerous, people actually believe that Britain is so great and powerful that the EU would fall over itself to give us literally anything we wanted.

Those people are now stunned and angry that the EU could (quite rightly!) take away something like the Capital of Culture. How strawberry floating dare they! Don't they know who we are?

I don't get why people aren't similarly outraged about the EBA and EMA being poached by Paris and Amsterdam.

That this title for celebrating the cities of Europe is no longer being considered for British cities is the event that annoys certain Brexiters the most points to an infantile, unfounded superiority complex. You wonder their reactions should anything else shift to the continent.

Cuttooth wrote:I don't get why people aren't similarly outraged about the EBA and EMA being poached by Paris and Amsterdam.

That this title for celebrating the cities of Europe is no longer being considered for British cities is the event that annoys certain Brexiters the most points to an infantile, unfounded superiority complex. You wonder their reactions should anything else shift to the continent.

They don’t understand what EBA and EMA are.

The City of Culture hits home easier as reading “UK cities will no longer be considered for the European Capital of Culture” instantly makes them rage as it hits their misguided patriotism. Wot, da EU finks we has no coltures? We has all da colture! We stoped hitler!

Garth wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Ive read a couple of articles and it's a bit confusing, apparently cities from countries not in the EU are allowed to bid as long as they are in Europe but they've said the UK cities can no longer bid. Is this the truth?

It's open to cities in EU member states, in countries that are candidates for EU membership, or in countries that are part of the European Economic Area, and the winner receives EU funding.

By 2023 the UK will very likely no longer be an EU member state, won't be looking to join the EU, and won't be in the EEA.

It's a bit of a weird one being open to candidate countries, presumably they must pay some money to the EU?

Hyperion wrote:

Garth wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Ive read a couple of articles and it's a bit confusing, apparently cities from countries not in the EU are allowed to bid as long as they are in Europe but they've said the UK cities can no longer bid. Is this the truth?

It's open to cities in EU member states, in countries that are candidates for EU membership, or in countries that are part of the European Economic Area, and the winner receives EU funding.

By 2023 the UK will very likely no longer be an EU member state, won't be looking to join the EU, and won't be in the EEA.

It's a bit of a weird one being open to candidate countries, presumably they must pay some money to the EU?

It’s not that weird. They are countries that have expressed an interest in joining. The UK is doing the opposite.

I don’t know if they all contribute, I’d imagine different places have different agreements. Some of them will be in the EEA (and so will be contributing) and some of them will be countries that the EU are trying to help economically so that they get to a stage where they are able to join. Countries with poor economies are probably not contributing, but I am only guessing at that.

Hyperion wrote:

Garth wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Ive read a couple of articles and it's a bit confusing, apparently cities from countries not in the EU are allowed to bid as long as they are in Europe but they've said the UK cities can no longer bid. Is this the truth?

It's open to cities in EU member states, in countries that are candidates for EU membership, or in countries that are part of the European Economic Area, and the winner receives EU funding.

By 2023 the UK will very likely no longer be an EU member state, won't be looking to join the EU, and won't be in the EEA.

It's a bit of a weird one being open to candidate countries, presumably they must pay some money to the EU?

They've applied to be members or are members of the single market even if not in the EU proper.