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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
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80%
Leave the European Union
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20%
 
Total votes: 279
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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:18 pm

Just seen on Sky News that Theresa May is now denying that there's been an agreement with the EU on the exit bill.

Theresa May denies deal has been struck on £50bn Brexit bill

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:34 pm

Lagamorph wrote:Just seen on Sky News that Theresa May is now denying that there's been an agreement with the EU on the exit bill.

Theresa May denies deal has been struck on £50bn Brexit bill


Barnier has said the same.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Rocsteady » Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:37 pm

Who could have possibly foreseen that leaving the EU would be so difficult

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:48 am

Doesn't matter, we will get a trade deal with the orange man in the USA :datass:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:25 am

Squinty wrote:Doesn't matter, we will get a trade deal with the orange man in the USA :datass:


Only if we have a snap election and elect Britain First.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Garth » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:51 am

Britain close to Irish border deal
Officials on both sides predict agreement within weeks, Brussels will speed up approval for Brexit transition plan

EU leaders are preparing to offer a two-year Brexit transition deal as early as January after negotiators said that they were close to a breakthrough over the Northern Ireland border.

British officials tabled proposals this week to avoid a “hard border” in Ireland that could unblock the last remaining major obstacle to a deal, The Times understands.

In return the EU will pledge at a summit in Brussels next month to speed up approval for a transition deal that maintains Britain’s present relationship with the EU, reassuring businesses that might otherwise begin implementing plans for a hard Brexit.

Sources in Dublin said that there was “movement” on the issue and growing confidence that a deal could be reached before the summit on December 14-15.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news ... -pltcgrvcj

Net UK migration fell by third to 230,000 in year after Brexit vote
Net migration from the EU fell by 82,000

Net migration to the UK fell by more than 100,000 in the year after the EU referendum, official figures show.

The measure - the difference between the numbers arriving and leaving the country for at least a year - was an estimated 230,000 in the 12 months to the end of June 2017.

This was a fall of 106,000 compared with the record level of 336,000 in the previous year, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said.

EU net migration fell to 107,000, down 82,000 in what was described as a "statistically significant" decrease.

The ONS said over three-quarters of the decrease in net migration was accounted for by EU citizens.

The number of people moving to the UK to take up a “definite job” has remained stable at 187,000.

But fewer people came to the UK “looking for work”, down 56,000 to 74,000.

Nicola White, head of migration statistics at the ONS, said: "Over three-quarters of the fall in net migration was accounted for by EU citizens.

Ms White said the decline follows "historically high levels of immigration", adding that it is "too early to say whether this represents a long-term trend".

"The number of people immigrating for a definite job has remained stable but there has been a 43% decrease in the number of people immigrating to look for work over the last year, especially for EU citizens.

"These changes suggest that Brexit is likely to be a factor in people's decision to move to or from the UK - but decisions to migrate are complex and other factors are also going to be influencing the figures."

http://www.itv.com/news/2017-11-30/net- ... ures-show/

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PostRe: Brexit
by Photek » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:21 am

Interested to know what the 'Irish border deal' is, I can only see the Irish sea being the actual border having a realistic chance of working.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:45 am

Photek wrote:Interested to know what the 'Irish border deal' is, I can only see the Irish sea being the actual border having a realistic chance of working.

If that happens Scotland will immediately be demanding the same deal NI gets, ie staying in the customs union, which then puts the arguments right back to square 1 as you're faced with a hard border between England and Sctoaldn which would be just as unworkable as a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Garth » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:48 am

There are murmurs today of the British side suggesting further devolution of powers to the Northern Ireland executive (when it's up and running again) to allow them to continue to have the same regulations as the Republic. Maybe a bit like staying in the customs union but not actually being in the customs union, then May can say all of the UK is leaving the customs union together and that's not changing. Nothing has changed!

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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:17 pm

Here's some bar charts and graphics n gooseberry fool:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:32 pm

The Royal wedding will save us!

twitter.com/pointlesslettrs/status/936213347552452610



:lol:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Garth » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:26 pm

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I'd call the DUP's bluff on this TBH. Threaten to bring down the government? OK, what government replaces it and how does that benefit the DUP and swing the border issue in their favour? Labour is up in the polls, DUP passionately hates Corbyn and he wouldn't be any kinder to them than the Conservatives. They definitely don't want a Labour government or a lefty coalition. Alternatively, Conservatives get more seats? Maybe they don't need to rely on the DUP's support again and will power through with the border solution themselves. DUP would basically have to hope for another hung parliament in the Conservatives favour or they'd lose all the influence they currently enjoy, and there's still no guarantee they've get what they want then either.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:33 pm

I think the DUP don't have a clue what they want. And Sammy Wilson is a bit clueless.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:42 pm

The trouble with calling the DUP’s bluff is that the Conservatives will not be confident that they would win another election and they would be just as scared of it as the DUP would.

The DUP kind of have the upper hand there as they have nothing really to lose. If the Tories power through without the DUP on a border agreement, then the DUP lose. If the Tories call an election and lose, then the DUP lose. If the Tories call an election and win outright, then the DUP lose. The only wins for the DUP are to make the current Tory government listen to them, or hope for another election with a hung parliament where they can demand more stuff.

By having nothing to lose, the DUP are oddly in a powerful position with the Tories.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Garth » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:45 pm

The DUP believes they have a lot to lose if Corbyn gets in. They'd view him as a far bigger threat to Unionism in Northern Ireland than this potential border agreement.

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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:56 pm

If you want to listen to the SO CALLED experts, Morgan Stanley thinks a Corbyn/Labour victory is a more serious threat to British business than Brexit.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:08 pm

KK wrote:If you want to listen to the SO CALLED experts, Morgan Stanley thinks a Corbyn/Labour victory is a more serious threat to British business than Brexit.

It would probably compound the economic impact of Brexit. Corbyn will do little to nothing to change course on a hard Brexit at this point and hurting businesses further on top of that will just further hurt the economy overall. Corbyn policies would only really be workable in an EU member UK

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:11 pm

Garth wrote:The DUP believes they have a lot to lose if Corbyn gets in. They'd view him as a far bigger threat to Unionism in Northern Ireland than this potential border agreement.


They are probably right.

Although I still think the Tories would fear a Corbyn victory more than the DUP would. If Corbyn somehow managed to win, it wouldn’t be by much and I don’t think he’d have the power to make too many changes on Northern Ireland as there are plenty of Labour MPs that would rebel against him.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Garth » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:25 pm

Ireland's govt 'told to ignore Boris Johnson' by Foreign Office
Whitehall officials are willing to tell foreign governments "not to listen" to the Foreign Secretary

Boris Johnson is being actively undermined by officials within his own department over Brexit negotiations, it can be revealed.

Sky News has learnt that Foreign Office officials told Ireland's Government "not to listen to whatever he had to say" ahead of Mr Johnson's visit to Dublin a few weeks ago.

Extraordinarily, officials in Whitehall were very open with their counterparts in the Irish capital to "ignore the public utterances" of Britain's chief diplomat.

Mr Johnson visited Dublin on 17 November to meet with Simon Coveney, Ireland's foreign minister and now also deputy prime minister, for Brexit discussions ahead of next month's critical European Council summit in Brussels.

The two publicly disagreed at a press conference over when Irish border issues should be settled, while Mr Johnson claimed he was unaware of Ireland's call for a transition period lasting four to five years.

https://news.sky.com/story/irelands-gov ... e-11150411




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PostRe: Brexit
by Errkal » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:30 pm

It would be funny if it was someone else's country.


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