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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
222
80%
Leave the European Union
57
20%
 
Total votes: 279
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Moggy
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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:56 am

Errkal wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Errkal wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Errkal wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Errkal wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Errkal wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Squinty wrote:Edit - How embarrassing. Why are we doing this again?


Blue passports.


Will of da peaple!


Fish!


Borders!


Turkey will join the EU!


350 millions!!!


EU Army!


Trade wiv da wurld!


Unelected commissioners!


Sovereignty!!


Bendy bananas!

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PostRe: Brexit
by Errkal » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:04 am

Moggy wrote:
Errkal wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Errkal wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Errkal wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Errkal wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Errkal wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Squinty wrote:Edit - How embarrassing. Why are we doing this again?


Blue passports.


Will of da peaple!


Fish!


Borders!


Turkey will join the EU!


350 millions!!!


EU Army!


Trade wiv da wurld!


Unelected commissioners!


Sovereignty!!


Bendy bananas!


26000 word law on cabbages!

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Moggy
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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:04 am

I hope all that has answered Squinty's question. ;)

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PostRe: Brexit
by Errkal » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:06 am

Fingers crossed.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:43 am

12 strawberry floating replies. You utter nobs :wub:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Mini E » Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:11 am

Squinty wrote:12 strawberry floating replies. You utter nobs :wub:


#SaveAreNHS ?

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PostRe: Brexit
by Rocsteady » Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:57 am

It's because that inherently strong economy and power on the world stage weren't translating to improved lives for the majority in the fashion it should have. So people kicked out. In a ridiculous manner.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:13 pm

Rocsteady wrote:It's because that inherently strong economy and power on the world stage weren't translating to improved lives for the majority in the fashion it should have. So people kicked out. In a ridiculous manner.


It was only partially that. There was also a lot of xenophobia and nationalism and other just as ridiculous reasons. And some felt that the EU wasn’t very democratic.

It’s actually a very good reason why the referendum was a bad idea, the result didn’t really tell us anything. 52% (of those that voted) voted to leave the EU. Except, what does that even mean? A Norway model? WTO rules? No EU immigration or no more immigration at all? A bespoke trade deal with the EU? The people that voted for Leave all seem to have expected different things and all seemed to think that their vote meant something different to what other Leave voters thought.

Whatever we end up with, the vast majority of the country are going to be against. It’s a mess.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:29 pm

Mini E wrote:
Squinty wrote:12 strawberry floating replies. You utter nobs :wub:


#SaveAreNHS ?


No. We can't have nice things.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:35 pm

twitter.com/lorrainewillis1/status/956799771213287424



Yeah I didn’t ever see Farage on the BBC. Utterly mad bastards. :lol:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Rocsteady » Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:40 pm

Moggy wrote:
Rocsteady wrote:It's because that inherently strong economy and power on the world stage weren't translating to improved lives for the majority in the fashion it should have. So people kicked out. In a ridiculous manner.


It was only partially that. There was also a lot of xenophobia and nationalism and other just as ridiculous reasons. And some felt that the EU wasn’t very democratic.

It’s actually a very good reason why the referendum was a bad idea, the result didn’t really tell us anything. 52% (of those that voted) voted to leave the EU. Except, what does that even mean? A Norway model? WTO rules? No EU immigration or no more immigration at all? A bespoke trade deal with the EU? The people that voted for Leave all seem to have expected different things and all seemed to think that their vote meant something different to what other Leave voters thought.

Whatever we end up with, the vast majority of the country are going to be against. It’s a mess.

But why is there so much xenophobia? There's a lot of evidence that it strongly correlates to strength of economy and economic well being.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:44 pm

Rocsteady wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Rocsteady wrote:It's because that inherently strong economy and power on the world stage weren't translating to improved lives for the majority in the fashion it should have. So people kicked out. In a ridiculous manner.


It was only partially that. There was also a lot of xenophobia and nationalism and other just as ridiculous reasons. And some felt that the EU wasn’t very democratic.

It’s actually a very good reason why the referendum was a bad idea, the result didn’t really tell us anything. 52% (of those that voted) voted to leave the EU. Except, what does that even mean? A Norway model? WTO rules? No EU immigration or no more immigration at all? A bespoke trade deal with the EU? The people that voted for Leave all seem to have expected different things and all seemed to think that their vote meant something different to what other Leave voters thought.

Whatever we end up with, the vast majority of the country are going to be against. It’s a mess.

But why is there so much xenophobia? There's a lot of evidence that it strongly correlates to strength of economy and economic well being.


It’s partially the economy of course, but it is too simplistic to say that people voted out just because they were feeling poor and were blaming foreigners for it.

There has always been an undercurrent of racism and xenophobia in this country whether we are in good times or bad times. The bad times raises that up, but it is always there and will always be there.

If the referendum had been held in the boom years, then I expect that remain would have won, but there would have still been millions and millions of votes to leave. The likes of Farage, The Sun, The Express and The Mail have been talking down the EU for decades.

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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:57 pm

BBC News wrote:UK economic growth exceeds forecasts, ONS says

The UK economy expanded by a better-than-expected 0.5% in the last three months of 2017, official figures say.

Economists had expected a 0.4% expansion in the three months to December.

However, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said the broader picture was "slower and more uneven" growth.

In 2017 as a whole, growth was 1.8% compared with 1.9% in 2016 - the slowest since 2012, the ONS said.

The services sector, which accounts for the bulk of the economy, expanded by 0.6% in the fourth quarter - stronger than the 0.4% rise in the three months to September.

"The boost to the economy at the end of the year came from a range of services including recruitment agencies, letting agents and office management," said Darren Morgan, head of GDP at the ONS.

Yet consumer-facing parts of the services sector, which include distribution, hotels, catering, transport and communications, posted much slower growth, he said.

Manufacturing also grew strongly, but construction contracted by 1% - its third consecutive fall and worst quarterly performance since the third quarter of 2012.

John Hawksworth, chief economist at PwC, said construction appeared to be the sector most affected by Brexit-related uncertainty, deterring commercial property investment and dampening the housing market, particularly in London.

Samuel Tombs at Pantheon Macroeconomics said the "undeniably strong" quarterly figures increased the chance of the Monetary Policy Committee raising interest rates again as soon as this summer.

However, Hargreaves Lansdown senior economist Ben Brettell described growth as anaemic and doubted there would be more than one rate rise this year, "probably in the autumn".

Sterling jumped 0.8% to $1.4253 following the release of the GDP figures.

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Analysis: Andy Verity, economics correspondent
Choose your comparator. You might, like Bank of England governor Mark Carney, point out that the economy is about 1% smaller than the Bank predicted it would be before the Brexit vote. But that was in the event of a "stay" vote.

Pro-Brexit critics might point out the economy is doing a lot better than his own warnings about the risk of a "technical recession" if the UK voted to leave.

Annual growth of 1.8% may be less than we would like, but so far there is little sign of the Brexit-induced disaster that some predicted.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42831655

Good news. :x

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PostRe: Brexit
by DML » Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:04 pm

Rocsteady wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Rocsteady wrote:It's because that inherently strong economy and power on the world stage weren't translating to improved lives for the majority in the fashion it should have. So people kicked out. In a ridiculous manner.


It was only partially that. There was also a lot of xenophobia and nationalism and other just as ridiculous reasons. And some felt that the EU wasn’t very democratic.

It’s actually a very good reason why the referendum was a bad idea, the result didn’t really tell us anything. 52% (of those that voted) voted to leave the EU. Except, what does that even mean? A Norway model? WTO rules? No EU immigration or no more immigration at all? A bespoke trade deal with the EU? The people that voted for Leave all seem to have expected different things and all seemed to think that their vote meant something different to what other Leave voters thought.

Whatever we end up with, the vast majority of the country are going to be against. It’s a mess.

But why is there so much xenophobia? There's a lot of evidence that it strongly correlates to strength of economy and economic well being.


Why on earth shouldnt the Tories take the blame for that?

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PostRe: Brexit
by Garth » Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:05 pm

Not much has really changed so far, having not left the EU and with no agreement on what our future relationship with the EU is going to be like yet.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:18 pm

KK wrote:
Economists had expected a 0.4% expansion in the three months to December.

However, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said the broader picture was "slower and more uneven" growth.

In 2017 as a whole, growth was 1.8% compared with 1.9% in 2016 - the slowest since 2012, the ONS said.

Yet consumer-facing parts of the services sector, which include distribution, hotels, catering, transport and communications, posted much slower growth

construction contracted by 1% - its third consecutive fall and worst quarterly performance since the third quarter of 2012.

Hargreaves Lansdown senior economist Ben Brettell described growth as anaemic and doubted there would be more than one rate rise this year, "probably in the autumn".

Good news. :x


Yeah sounds like great news and at the moment we are still members of the EU.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Rocsteady » Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:27 pm

DML wrote:
Rocsteady wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Rocsteady wrote:It's because that inherently strong economy and power on the world stage weren't translating to improved lives for the majority in the fashion it should have. So people kicked out. In a ridiculous manner.


It was only partially that. There was also a lot of xenophobia and nationalism and other just as ridiculous reasons. And some felt that the EU wasn’t very democratic.

It’s actually a very good reason why the referendum was a bad idea, the result didn’t really tell us anything. 52% (of those that voted) voted to leave the EU. Except, what does that even mean? A Norway model? WTO rules? No EU immigration or no more immigration at all? A bespoke trade deal with the EU? The people that voted for Leave all seem to have expected different things and all seemed to think that their vote meant something different to what other Leave voters thought.

Whatever we end up with, the vast majority of the country are going to be against. It’s a mess.

But why is there so much xenophobia? There's a lot of evidence that it strongly correlates to strength of economy and economic well being.


Why on earth shouldnt the Tories take the blame for that?

What?

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PostRe: Brexit
by Rocsteady » Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:28 pm

Moggy wrote:
Rocsteady wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Rocsteady wrote:It's because that inherently strong economy and power on the world stage weren't translating to improved lives for the majority in the fashion it should have. So people kicked out. In a ridiculous manner.


It was only partially that. There was also a lot of xenophobia and nationalism and other just as ridiculous reasons. And some felt that the EU wasn’t very democratic.

It’s actually a very good reason why the referendum was a bad idea, the result didn’t really tell us anything. 52% (of those that voted) voted to leave the EU. Except, what does that even mean? A Norway model? WTO rules? No EU immigration or no more immigration at all? A bespoke trade deal with the EU? The people that voted for Leave all seem to have expected different things and all seemed to think that their vote meant something different to what other Leave voters thought.

Whatever we end up with, the vast majority of the country are going to be against. It’s a mess.

But why is there so much xenophobia? There's a lot of evidence that it strongly correlates to strength of economy and economic well being.


It’s partially the economy of course, but it is too simplistic to say that people voted out just because they were feeling poor and were blaming foreigners for it.

There has always been an undercurrent of racism and xenophobia in this country whether we are in good times or bad times. The bad times raises that up, but it is always there and will always be there.

If the referendum had been held in the boom years, then I expect that remain would have won, but there would have still been millions and millions of votes to leave. The likes of Farage, The Sun, The Express and The Mail have been talking down the EU for decades.

I don't disagree with any of that.

At the same time I really don't think there's more racism in Britain than anywhere else. In fact, having lived abroad in different countries for years I think Britain is probably the least racist nation I've been in. Or maybe Belgium. Anecdotally, of course.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Photek » Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:34 pm

Why are English football fans idiots then? ;)

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PostRe: Brexit
by Rocsteady » Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:39 pm

Photek wrote:Why are English football fans idiots then? ;)

To be fair by far the greatest proportion of wankers I've met abroad have been Brits(English) too so I'm not saying we're all quality lads.

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