Brexit

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You feel threatened easily.

jawafour wrote:

Moggy wrote:Thanks to Leavers though my wife and son do not not have the option of European citizenship, and I’ll never forgive them for that.

Tineash wrote:Caring a lot about flags is a sure-fire sign that you need to stay the strawberry float away from me.

I feel uncomfortable participating in this thread when posts are made in a tone that feels threatening to other people. Perhaps they weren't meant to be taken in that way; I don't know but I will leave at this point due to the toxicity of the discussion.

Sorry Jawa but this has huge impacts for a lot of family's and like it or not the blame for the lose of identity for many is squarly at the door of leave voters.

Sure many didn't intend to take someone's identity but that's reality of it and the concequence of their actions.

I personally feel out of place in my own country, I'm European at heart but on paper I now have to be British which in all honestly I feel embarrassed by.

As I say many leave voters didn't mean for that to happen but the reality it that it has and is happening and it is down to them.

sawyerpip wrote:

Rocsteady wrote:Up here (Scotland) I only see the union Jack flown at Rangers/Hearts games. Which can feck right off.

I don't often see the Union Jack in Wales either.

I've lived in both Wales and England for long periods and can't say I've seen any difference in the number of flag sightings.

I don't think anyone really "flies the flag" at all, we're not American's!

Jenuall wrote:I don't think anyone really "flies the flag" at all, we're not American's!

Come visit Northern Ireland sometime

Garth wrote:

Jenuall wrote:I don't think anyone really "flies the flag" at all, we're not American's!

Come visit Northern Ireland sometime

Fair point, though I guess it's more about making a statement there than anything?

jawafour wrote:

Moggy wrote:Thanks to Leavers though my wife and son do not not have the option of European citizenship, and I’ll never forgive them for that.

Tineash wrote:Caring a lot about flags is a sure-fire sign that you need to stay the strawberry float away from me.

I feel uncomfortable participating in this thread when posts are made in a tone that feels threatening to other people. Perhaps they weren't meant to be taken in that way; I don't know but I will leave at this point due to the toxicity of the discussion.

I can’t answer for Tineash, but there’s nothing threatening in my post. I won’t forgive people for taking away my sons European citizenship, of course I won’t, but that’s not a threat.

It’s disappointing that you would even think my post was toxic or threatening. Posts in here get heated, of course they do, but that’s the way of political debates on subjects that people really care about. And it’s especially so when people’s votes and views are taking away rights that somebody’s children should have.

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Jenuall wrote:

Garth wrote:

Jenuall wrote:I don't think anyone really "flies the flag" at all, we're not American's!

Come visit Northern Ireland sometime

Fair point, though I guess it's more about making a statement there than anything?

Come to Essex, there a number of houses that fly the Saint George's cross around here.

Lucien wrote:[...] "I'll never forgive them" idea I hope you move past.

Leavers voted to take away my citizenship and diminish my identity and decimate my job security. They've offered me nothing in return and haven't even been gracious winners. I can't foresee ever not being annoyed about this.

Lucien wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Lucien wrote:

Moggy wrote:Thanks to Leavers though my wife and son do not not have the option of European citizenship, and I’ll never forgive them for that.

That's a dark and sad sentence. I hope you can move past that point. I remember being really annoyed at the outcome of the Scottish referendum for a week and it's like you're stuck in that zone to me, which sounds horrible.

The Scottish referendum didn’t take anything away from you. You were Scottish and British and now you are Scottish and British.

Leave voters took away the European citizenship of my wife and child. Unless something unexpected happens they are not getting that back. What is there to move past?

I don't know, everyone I knew who voted for independence walked around like they'd lost something - we had. I was initially angry about the result but I never thought of No voters as an enemy who'd done wrong. It's that kind of thing and the "I'll never forgive them" idea I hope you move past.

But I see absolutely no merits in leaving. Zero. Even the Tories have their plus points! You might as well be peddling following homeopathy over science, thats how little sense this decision makes to me and my level of confusion why you back it. Its like saying people are dying of disease, so science is obviously failing so lets try something thats not science! In my eyes its like the nations gone absolutely barmy, it doesn't seem that different from electing Trump as a terrible decision.

Of course, thats my opinion based on the evidence.

jawafour wrote:

Moggy wrote:Thanks to Leavers though my wife and son do not not have the option of European citizenship, and I’ll never forgive them for that.

Tineash wrote:Caring a lot about flags is a sure-fire sign that you need to stay the strawberry float away from me.

I feel uncomfortable participating in this thread when posts are made in a tone that feels threatening to other people. Perhaps they weren't meant to be taken in that way; I don't know but I will leave at this point due to the toxicity of the discussion.

Lucien wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Lucien wrote:

Moggy wrote:Thanks to Leavers though my wife and son do not not have the option of European citizenship, and I’ll never forgive them for that.

That's a dark and sad sentence. I hope you can move past that point. I remember being really annoyed at the outcome of the Scottish referendum for a week and it's like you're stuck in that zone to me, which sounds horrible.

The Scottish referendum didn’t take anything away from you. You were Scottish and British and now you are Scottish and British.

Leave voters took away the European citizenship of my wife and child. Unless something unexpected happens they are not getting that back. What is there to move past?

I don't know, everyone I knew who voted for independence walked around like they'd lost something - we had. I was initially angry about the result but I never thought of No voters as an enemy who'd done wrong. It's that kind of thing and the "I'll never forgive them" idea I hope you move past.

It's basic human psychology that it's harder to lose what you already had than miss out on gaining more.

Lucien wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Lucien wrote:

Moggy wrote:Thanks to Leavers though my wife and son do not not have the option of European citizenship, and I’ll never forgive them for that.

That's a dark and sad sentence. I hope you can move past that point. I remember being really annoyed at the outcome of the Scottish referendum for a week and it's like you're stuck in that zone to me, which sounds horrible.

The Scottish referendum didn’t take anything away from you. You were Scottish and British and now you are Scottish and British.

Leave voters took away the European citizenship of my wife and child. Unless something unexpected happens they are not getting that back. What is there to move past?

I don't know, everyone I knew who voted for independence walked around like they'd lost something - we had. I was initially angry about the result but I never thought of No voters as an enemy who'd done wrong. It's that kind of thing and the "I'll never forgive them" idea I hope you move past.

Scottish independence supporters lost a vote but ended up in the exact same position that they were already in. And they also had a Scottish nationalist government still in charge.

Remainers lost a vote. And lost their European citizenship. And are likely to have lost out economically. And lost a future at the heart of Europe. And seen the rise of an emboldened far right. Instead of what we had, we have an inward looking Britain trying to live on past glories while diminishing by the day in the eyes of the world.

I don’t see Leave voters as an enemy. I see them as spiteful fools that have gambled my sons future on the basis of lies from the likes of Farage and Boris Johnson. And you are massively mistaken if you think I’m going to move on from that.

Lucien wrote:

Karl wrote:

Lucien wrote:[...] "I'll never forgive them" idea I hope you move past.

Leavers voted to take away my citizenship and diminish my identity and decimate my job security. They've offered me nothing in return and haven't even been gracious winners. I can't foresee ever not being annoyed about this.

Voters (of almost any kind) don't vote to hurt other people. Were you trying to hurt Leavers when you voted Remain?

Their are consequences of every successful vote. These are the consequences of yours. I don't have to answer for my vote, because it has been incinerated by yours.

Lucien wrote:

DML wrote:Their are consequences of every successful vote. These are the consequences of yours. I don't have to answer for my vote, because it has been incinerated by yours.

To be honest I'm not worried about political winners or losers right now, but more the attitude we take towards other voters.

I'm not acting this way over people who vote Conservative, a party I vehemently disagree with and will never vote for. I'll obviously moan from time to time, because I plain don't like them! However I act this way over Brexit because its a vote for a backwards and impossible legislation. To me its several degrees more ridiculous. I find it hard to respect an opinion which I can't even get slightly 1% on board with. The fact you are 100% on board with yours (or so it seems) honestly baffles me.

I'm sorry if that feels like 'attitude' towards you, but I wish I could turn off Brexit like a switch. Hearing about it every day is utterly nauseating, and I'm glad the government is taking a hit for enacting this craziness.

People who voted for massive economic and social harm are upset people blame them?

Yeah it's a real shame to judge people based on their considered actions. We just just stick to the basics and judge them by how they look or where they come from.

Lucien wrote:

Karl wrote:

Lucien wrote:[...] "I'll never forgive them" idea I hope you move past.

Leavers voted to take away my citizenship and diminish my identity and decimate my job security. They've offered me nothing in return and haven't even been gracious winners. I can't foresee ever not being annoyed about this.

Voters (of almost any kind) don't vote to hurt other people. Were you trying to hurt Leavers when you voted Remain?

Plenty of leave voters were voting purposefully to hurt immigrants.

Couldn't this backlash be applied to any general election? I.e my party promised this but didn't get in/stayed in, another party got in and have changed the ways of the country (which may already be in place) now i'm gonna lose out?