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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
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80%
Leave the European Union
57
20%
 
Total votes: 279
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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:33 pm

twitter.com/arron_banks/status/960130444581883904



twitter.com/nickcohen4/status/960130871851470848



:lol:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Photek » Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:25 pm

Errkal wrote:
Jenuall wrote:I can't see Ireland leaving the EU, as others have pointed out they have done very well as part of it. That said Wales benefited massively from the EU yet they still voted to leave...


We didn't think Trump would be elected, but idiots happened.

We didn't think the UK would vote brexit, but idiots happened.

We don't think Ireland will vote irexit, but idiots will happen, with Guinness.

Couple of things, it would never get near to a referendum and also looking at brexit has probably changed anyone’s mind who would vote leave.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Photek » Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:26 pm

Moggy wrote:

twitter.com/artimusfoul/status/959454717100412928



:lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostRe: Brexit
by DML » Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:27 pm

So hard to watch the news recently. Totally understandable that they have to tread carefully on the line but when that line is between reasoned fact checked reality and apparent fantasy it's just endorsing Alice In Wonderland politics.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Garth » Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:57 pm

No 10 rules out customs union with EU

Downing Street has ruled out involvement in a customs union with the European Union amid confusion over government policy as Theresa May prepares for a crucial week of talks.

After the exposure of divisions between ministers over the UK’s future relationship with the EU, an official source said: “It is not our policy to be in the customs union. It is not our policy to be in a customs union.” The statement went further than May who, on Friday, refused to rule out involvement in a customs union when questioned during her visit to China.

The development will anger remainers who have clung to hope that Britain will strike a deal with the EU that allows a close relationship with the EU after Brexit. But it will soothe the fears of Conservative Brexiters who have been threatening a leadership challenge if May moves towards an agreement with the EU that restricts the trade deals the UK can seek with third parties.

The clarification came on the eve of a visit to Downing Street by the EU’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, and as officials in Brussels prepared to begin talks on the transitional arrangements. Key cabinet colleagues will meet on Wednesday and Thursday to decide the details of the government’s policy regarding a customs union.

The Downing Street source claimed that a customs union was entirely different from a customs arrangement, which would allow the government to strike trade deals with countries outside the EU. The source also claimed that there had been no change in policy, saying the statement was a reiteration of policy outlined in a paper published in August.

Last week, Brexit advisers were reportedly considering whether the UK could strike a customs union deal with the EU that would cover just trade in goods.

The source spoke shortly after the home secretary, Amber Rudd, forecasted on Sunday that the UK would negotiate a customs arrangement with the EU, which was contradicted by Dominic Raab, the Brexi-supporting housing minister.

Asked about a possible customs union on Friday, May refused to rule it out, telling Sky News: “What I want to do is ensure that we have got the best possible trade arrangements with China and with other countries around the world.”

Appearing on the Andrew Marr Show, Rudd, who campaigned to remain in the EU, said May would consider a customs arrangement with the EU. “She has an open mind on it. We published a document last year saying how we would do it and we proposed either a customs arrangement or a customs partnership. Those are both alternatives we could look at,” Rudd said.

The home secretary, who sits on the Brexit subcommittee, also dismissed claims of a plot to oust May by Brexiters, saying that the government is united: “I have a surprise for the Brexiteers, which is the committee that meets in order to help make these decisions is more united than they think.”

Minutes later, Raab told the Sunday With Paterson show on Sky: “I do not think that we will be in any form, at least as conceived in international trade practice, of customs union, because … we would have our hands tied while negotiating trade deals with other parts of the world whether it is Brazil or China or India.”

May has avoided a full discussion in the Brexit subcommittee on the issue because of the sensitivities involved, sources said.

The Sunday Times reported that Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary, had told plotters he would be ready for a future contest and said “the cavalry” was coming to block a customs union plan when the committee meets this week. It is understood that he plans to argue against a customs union in Downing Street this week but still backs May in public.

The paper also claimed that Johnson, Michael Gove, the environment secretary, and Tory backbencher Jacob Rees-Mogg have been urged to form a “dream team” of Brexiters to take over from May’s administration.

Rees-Mogg played down the suggestion. “The story is news to me, no one had suggested this to me,” he said.

MPs from both sides of the Tories’ Brexit divide have told the Guardian that the prime minister is partly to blame for the internal crisis by failing to spell out what she wants from this week’s crucial meetings.

One said: “Both sides – pro-Brexit and remain – still think it is all to play for because the PM has not said what she wants. She is sowing division and bad headlines through another dither.”

The Labour MP Pat McFadden said the Downing Street statement on Sunday evening appeared to confirm that a revolt of rightwing Tory Brexiters has been successful. “The last week has been bad for our democracy. Now we know it has been bad for our economic interests too. Time after time the interests of right-wing nationalism have trumped the economic wellbeing of the public. The question is whether there is a parliamentary majority to take a less destructive and ideological path.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... toms-union

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:15 am

Lol, we're so strawberry floated.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:20 am

I don't think it will play out like this in reality. She's just keeping the brexiteers quiet, but it will fall apart by the time the next round of negotiations end.

That 3 musketeers story was just a way to put pressure on her. I'm currently not sure if any of the named people would want to own this national mistake.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Rex Kramer » Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:33 am

The only sensible reason to put Rees-Mogg in any kind of position of power is if our post-Brexit trading strategy is as a Dickensian themed amusement park.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:37 am

Rex Kramer wrote:The only sensible reason to put Rees-Mogg in any kind of position of power is if our post-Brexit trading strategy is as a Dickensian themed amusement park.


I can't wait to work in a workhouse!

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:46 am

Rex Kramer wrote:The only sensible reason to put Rees-Mogg in any kind of position of power is if our post-Brexit trading strategy is as a Dickensian themed amusement park.


That’s only part of the strategy.

The other part is to use Gove as part of a House Elf themed amusement park.

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PostRe: Brexit
by captain red dog » Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:49 am

twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/960103430579777537


:dread: :dread:

Why on earth would anyone want Europe to follow the US model.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:52 am

Other than the name, there is nothing there to suggest it would follow an American model.

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PostRe: Brexit
by captain red dog » Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:00 am

Moggy wrote:Other than the name, there is nothing there to suggest it would follow an American model.

I don't see how it wouldn't, its a United States, there is only one way that can work in theory.

If they were going to continue under the current model, why would you even call for a US of E. I think the current model, whilst needing massive reform, is actually more attractive.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lex-Man » Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:24 am

captain red dog wrote:
Moggy wrote:Other than the name, there is nothing there to suggest it would follow an American model.

I don't see how it wouldn't, its a United States, there is only one way that can work in theory.

If they were going to continue under the current model, why would you even call for a US of E. I think the current model, whilst needing massive reform, is actually more attractive.


I think the central government in the US model is too weak and it would actually work better if the central government could assert more power over the states. Although maybe not the current government.

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PostRe: Brexit
by bear » Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:28 am

It's a phrase on a tweet, not a policy announcement.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Hexx » Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:55 am

captain red dog wrote:
Moggy wrote:Other than the name, there is nothing there to suggest it would follow an American model.

I don't see how it wouldn't, its a United States, there is only one way that can work in theory.


Do I really have to say "If you're an ignorant....etc"? :lol:

In other news - bets on the EU walking away from talks? Wouldn't blame them. May's just thrown all negotiations to date under a bus in her paniced response to appear "tough" after the Brexiteer Sunday Times piece...

We're so fecked.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:57 am

captain red dog wrote:
Moggy wrote:Other than the name, there is nothing there to suggest it would follow an American model.

I don't see how it wouldn't, its a United States, there is only one way that can work in theory.

If they were going to continue under the current model, why would you even call for a US of E. I think the current model, whilst needing massive reform, is actually more attractive.


How is there only one way it can work?

The United Kingdom doesn’t work in the same way and is a collection of states/countries. Australia is basically a United States of Oz and doesn’t work the same way.

There are plenty of models and new ideas can come in to change things.

Plus as bear says, this isn’t actually happening.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Hexx » Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:57 am

Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:
Moggy wrote:Other than the name, there is nothing there to suggest it would follow an American model.

I don't see how it wouldn't, its a United States, there is only one way that can work in theory.

If they were going to continue under the current model, why would you even call for a US of E. I think the current model, whilst needing massive reform, is actually more attractive.


How is there only one way it can work?

The United Kingdom doesn’t work in the same way. Australia is basically a United States of Oz and doesn’t work the same way.

There are plenty of models and new ideas can come in to change things.

Plus as bear says, this isn’t actually happening.


And that's just thinking of real examples! There's the Star Wars Senate Model, the Federation from Star Trek etc

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:59 am

Hexx wrote:
Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:
Moggy wrote:Other than the name, there is nothing there to suggest it would follow an American model.

I don't see how it wouldn't, its a United States, there is only one way that can work in theory.

If they were going to continue under the current model, why would you even call for a US of E. I think the current model, whilst needing massive reform, is actually more attractive.


How is there only one way it can work?

The United Kingdom doesn’t work in the same way. Australia is basically a United States of Oz and doesn’t work the same way.

There are plenty of models and new ideas can come in to change things.

Plus as bear says, this isn’t actually happening.


And that's just thinking of real examples! There's the Star Wars Senate Model, the Federation from Star Trek etc


strawberry float the Star Wars Senate, let’s start a Star Wars Empire with Jacob Rees-Mogg as Palpatine. :datass:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Hexx » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:00 am

Moggy wrote:
Hexx wrote:
Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:
Moggy wrote:Other than the name, there is nothing there to suggest it would follow an American model.

I don't see how it wouldn't, its a United States, there is only one way that can work in theory.

If they were going to continue under the current model, why would you even call for a US of E. I think the current model, whilst needing massive reform, is actually more attractive.


How is there only one way it can work?

The United Kingdom doesn’t work in the same way. Australia is basically a United States of Oz and doesn’t work the same way.

There are plenty of models and new ideas can come in to change things.

Plus as bear says, this isn’t actually happening.


And that's just thinking of real examples! There's the Star Wars Senate Model, the Federation from Star Trek etc


strawberry float the Star Wars Senate, let’s start a Star Wars Empire with Jacob Rees-Mogg as Jar Jar Binks. :datass:


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