Brexit

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This has been a problem since before the referendum. Everything is about how the EU isn’t perfect or how bad leaving is.

Corbyn isn’t the man to do it, but as well as the above we need far more arguments that make a positive case for the EU.

Moggy wrote:

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This has been a problem since before the referendum. Everything is about how the EU isn’t perfect or how bad leaving is.

Corbyn isn’t the man to do it, but as well as the above we need far more arguments that make a positive case for the EU.

Some of the comments below that tweet are maddening. "The point is because there was a referendum and we voted to leave" - er, beyond that, what is the strawberry floating benefit?! I'm so sick of the circular arguments that aren't arguments at all.

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That seems to be the line of attack (biggest at least). Hard Brexitters want to reach out to trade with the entire world!

Moggy wrote:

DML wrote:

Moggy wrote:

DML wrote:The thing is - you have to read between the lines. By saying that Labour can ensure that they can essentially remain. All they have to do is get the EU to agree to essentially pretend its a new bespoke deal - but we're following all the rules. Its stupid, but thats the world we live in now.

Corbyn is leader of the Labour Party and wants to be the Prime Minister of the U.K.

Why should we have to read between the lines? He needs to tell us what he proposes, clearly and openly so we can decide if we prefer his version to that of the Tory Party (who are just as unclear!).

Because he won't get to do it that way!

He forces people to try and read between the lines because he doesn’t want to do things the way he says he wants to?

Yeah that makes sense.

Its because if he comes out and explicitly says 'we want to stay inside the customs union' he won't get votes.

Say we'll stay in 'a customs union' and he'll get votes and can then stay in the customs union anyway.

Its the ridiculous situation we're in, but if people vote for dumb - dumb is what they get.

Hexx wrote:That seems to be the line of attack (biggest at least). Hard Brexitters want to reach out to trade with the entire world!

I mean, to be fair, this is the big distinction between Labour and Tory Brexit. Tories' ambition is a lot more difficult, especially considering Northern Ireland, but otherwise doesn't seem to be cakeism. Whereas Labour Brexit makes no sense, "we'll just do everything and anything to try and appease Remainers and Leavers but not really but really but not".

Have we reached the point where everything to do with Brexit is actually Corbyn's fault, cos that's gonna be hilarious.

Regginator3 wrote:

Hexx wrote:That seems to be the line of attack (biggest at least). Hard Brexitters want to reach out to trade with the entire world!

I mean, to be fair, this is the big distinction between Labour and Tory Brexit. Tories' ambition is a lot more difficult, especially considering Northern Ireland, but otherwise doesn't seem to be cakeism. Whereas Labour Brexit makes no sense, "we'll just do everything and anything to try and appease Remainers and Leavers but not really but really but not".

Really, wasn't Boris promising that we could all retire in Spain? They both seem to be offering the same things.

Boris is keen to make it clear how much better their cake is

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(Note: Trade deals. That's gonna quickly become what the "WILL OF THE PEOPLE" wanted)

So that Corbyn is a traitor of democracy and is willing to go against the will of the people? strawberry floating lying gooseberry fool like the rest of them!


*sarcasm may be present and should be detected!

Hexx wrote:Boris is keen to make it clear how much better their cake is

twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/968095689061425152

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strawberry floating hell, he even tweets like Trump. Pop the word 'Sad' onto the end of those tweets and he's golden.

Have Boris and Trump ever actually been in the same place at the same time?

Tineash wrote:Have we reached the point where everything to do with Brexit is actually Corbyn's fault, cos that's gonna be hilarious.

Remainers
Experts
Barnier and the unelected Marxist communist of the EUSSR
Corbyn

Tineash wrote:Have we reached the point where everything to do with Brexit is actually Corbyn's fault, cos that's gonna be hilarious.

We're way past that. Everything the Tories do is Corbyn's fault

Hexx wrote:Boris is keen to make it clear how much better their cake is

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Rupert here is conveniently missing the fact that the whole reason this idiotic referendum was called was part of an attempt to win an election, and the whole reason he backed leave was a cynical attempt to win the Tory leadership. And he's now too cowardly to attempt it.

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Being asked to commit to agreements made in December is going to break the Brexiteers

The only good thing that can come of this is Labour supporting the Tory rebels on amendments.

Having listened to some labour people today they are very careful with their words in regards to the customs union. They keep stressing that they want a customs union and not the current customs union. What they want in a customs union though is the ability to negotiate their own trade deals around the world something that current members of the EU customs area don't have. Also that the UK will have a say in any ammendments to the trading laws etc within the union.

I can't see the EU agreeing to this to be honest.

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Having listened to some labour people today they are very careful with their words in regards to the customs union. They keep stressing that they want a customs union and not the current customs union. What they want in a customs union though is the ability to negotiate their own trade deals around the world something that current members of the EU customs area don't have. Also that the UK will have a say in any ammendments to the trading laws etc within the union.

I can't see the EU agreeing to this to be honest.

I agree, it's complete nonsense. Their want for a bespoke customs union similar to the one we have now but also to be able to negotiate trade deals freely is completely off the table.

Generally when there has to be extremely "careful wording" around a set of policies, it doesn't show nuance (which is probably what they want to play it as), it shows indecisiveness. Which is exactly what Labour has been doing in regard to Brexit since Corbyn.

Labour can and is waffling and be non-commital as it's only the opposition.
Unfortunately the Tory government also have no idea what they want beyond "Brexit means Brexit" and "Make me an offer"

I find it really funny that they've done this for clarity sake, but there's virtually no clear, coherent plan on how to achieve what they want. The EU have already poo poo'd this suggestion away on countless occasions. It beggars belief.

I'm really looking forward to May's speech, to see if she runs with the three baskets nonsense the EU have already dismissed.

This really is morphing into The Thick of It.