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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
222
80%
Leave the European Union
57
20%
 
Total votes: 279
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PostRe: Brexit
by DML » Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:57 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote: If that’s the case it will have all just been a ridiculous farce.


Whatever happens, it is going to be a ridiculous farce.


Well year. I felt a bit stupid writing that comment but I can’t see how anyone can argue that it will be worth it if we end up paying almost the same but for half or even less than half of the cake.


It will be worth it to avoid the oblivion that is the alternative. Basically every reputable expert says so, so why ignore them? Because a couple of polls are wrong?

Absolute tosh.

No-one is really saying much now that wasn't said before the referendum, so I have no idea why its news now. The only really new issue that has arisen is that of The Good Friday Agreement.

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PostRe: Brexit
by satriales » Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:32 pm

May is more worried about her own party than what's in the interest of the country. Really with something as important as Brexit all parties should be involved in these negotiations.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Regginator3 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:35 pm

Honestly the negotiations should be scrapped, with Ken Clarke running in the House of Commons with a sword yelling "strawberry float the will of the people".

because strawberry float the will of the people

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PostRe: Brexit
by satriales » Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:42 pm

Also, I think I'd vote differently (this time to remain) if there was a re-vote. One of my main problems with the EU was TTIP being used to sell the NHS to US companies, but it's now clear that was off the cards. However, it looks likely May will do the same as part of a US trade deal. :fp:
A few other issues I had have also recently been resolved, so to me the EU is looking better today than it did a couple of years ago.

I was also naive to think that our government would be competent enough to deliver a good deal for the country, not put their own politics ahead of everything else.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:43 pm

I can't help but wonder how things would be now if Cameron hadn't quit.

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Hypes
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PostRe: Brexit
by Hypes » Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:46 pm

I can't help but wonder how things would be now if Cameron hadn't been prime minister

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PostRe: Brexit
by Regginator3 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:58 pm

Probably absolutely awful considering it would've been Brown

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:08 pm

twitter.com/pointlesslettrs/status/969675460337721344



:lol:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Meep » Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:09 pm

Brown is actually the best PM in recent memory, although admittedly the competition is not too intense. Sure, he could have not fallen into the same de-regulatory trap as other leaders before the recession, but as PM he actually handled a very serious crisis quite smoothly and returned the economy to growth in short order; before Cameron and Osborne immediately crushed it at birth. He was also well respected internationally and a far cry from our present leadership which other countries see as a complete joke.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Hypes » Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:21 pm

Regginator3 wrote:Probably absolutely awful considering it would've been Brown

:lol:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Regginator3 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:25 pm

Meep wrote:Brown is actually the best PM in recent memory, although admittedly the competition is not too intense. Sure, he could have not fallen into the same de-regulatory trap as other leaders before the recession, but as PM he actually handled a very serious crisis quite smoothly and returned the economy to growth in short order; before Cameron and Osborne immediately crushed it at birth. He was also well respected internationally and a far cry from our present leadership which other countries see as a complete joke.

:lol:

Very smoothly, his government's veto over the Barclays takeover of Lehmans to avoid their collapse went spectacularly, as did the subsequent unnecessary forced merger of Lloyds and HBOS, and the nationalisation of Lloyds and RBS were brill too

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PostRe: Brexit
by Tineash » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:22 pm

Oh my god Blair fanboys are the worst

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PostRe: Brexit
by Regginator3 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:48 pm

Tineash wrote:Oh my god Blair fanboys are the worst

agreed, we're strawberry floating scum

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PostRe: Brexit
by Earfolds » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:59 pm

Regginator3 wrote:
Tineash wrote:Oh my god Blair fanboys are the worst

agreed, we're strawberry floating scum



Literally all Blair fanboys.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Regginator3 » Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:07 am

Evil Ted wrote:

Literally all Blair fanboys.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Garth » Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:25 am

Theresa May's Brexit vision dismissed as unrealistic in Brussels
EU diplomats describe May’s proposals on customs checks and the Irish border as ‘fantasy’

Theresa May’s Mansion House speech on Britain’s future relationship with EU was dismissed as vague and unworkable in Brussels, although the bloc’s chief negotiator welcomed the prime minister’s belated acceptance of new trade barriers for UK exporters to Europe after Brexit.

Michel Barnier said the UK’s clear confirmation that it will leave the single market and the customs union along with the prime minister’s “recognition of trade-offs” was at least a basis on which the EU could form its own position on the free trade deal to come.

May conceded in her speech that access to markets would be “less than it is now”.

On the substance of the prime minister’s proposals to reduce some barriers of trade and avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland, there was, however, deep scepticism among EU officials and diplomats who pointed to a speech by Barnier on Thursday in which he had already ruled out many of the prime minister’s suggestions.

Those proposals from May included a “comprehensive system of mutual recognition” under which goods need only be tested in the UK or the EU rather than in both territories to reduce costs and paperwork.

One senior diplomat echoed Barnier’s insistence that without EU law that can override national law, a common supervisory body and a common court, the suggestion “won’t work for us – or for that matter lead to frictionless trade”.

Aleš Chmelař, the Czech Republic’s state secretary for European affairs, said the UK’s demands remained unrealistic. “The UK says it does not want the obligations of Norway [to accept EU laws] and the [limited] rights of Canada. The impression in some member states currently is that the UK wants the rights of Norway and the obligations of Canada.”


EU diplomats involved in the shaping of the EU positions on Brexit were pleased by May’s suggestion that the UK would emulate Brussels laws in the future to maintain regulatory standards but queried whether the government could really commit to being a “rule taker”.

However, it was the failure of the UK prime minister to offer any fresh thinking on avoiding a border between Northern Ireland and the Republic that received the harshest response.


May repeated a suggestion made last year that the government would mirror EU requirements on non-EU imports arriving in Britain and Northern Ireland that were destined for the rest of Europe, so there would be no need for a customs border between the UK and the union.

Alternatively, the prime minister said, there could be a technological solution that could make customs checks unnecessary on the island of Ireland and elsewhere.

One diplomat said the UK was simply not trusted enough for such arrangements to work. “The prime minister’s proposals are non starters,” he said. “Her customs idea is fantasy – we’d never do that. Mad cow disease originated on UK isles and [the country] is the biggest entry port for counterfeited goods.

“The hi-tech arrangement is sci-fi. No-one has seen it yet on Planet Earth. So back to square one on Ireland.”


May’s request for the UK to become “associate members” of EU agencies, such as the European Aviation Safety Agency, was additionally dismissed with the now familiar accusation that the UK was “cherry-picking” aspects of membership.

Guy Verhofstadt, the former prime minister of Belgium who is the European parliament’s Brexit coordinator, said: “Theresa May needed to move beyond vague aspirations, we can only hope that serious proposals have been put in the post.

“While I welcome the call for a deep and special partnership, this cannot be achieved by putting a few extra cherries on the Brexit cake.

“Our relationship must be close and comprehensive, but this is only possible if the UK government understands that the EU is a rules-based organisation, as there is little appetite to renegotiate the rules of the single market to satisfy a compromise crafted to placate a divided Conservative party.”

Manfred Weber, leader of the largest party in the parliament, and a key ally of the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, said: “After what I have heard today I am even more concerned. I don’t see how we could reach an agreement on Brexit if the UK government continues to bury its head in the sand like this.”

EU officials did, however, welcome the warmer tone from the prime minister. “She played a straight bat and that doesn’t go down too badly on this side,” said one EU official.


The EU is due to publish guidelines on Tuesday on how it sees the future relationship with the UK, although they are expected to be short and uncompromising, repeating the red-lines that the prime minister is attempting to rub out.

A source said: “Whether the guidelines say it explicitly or implicitly, it will be like this in case the UK develops its position. We can then develop our thinking of what is possible.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... n-brussels

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PostRe: Brexit
by Photek » Sat Mar 03, 2018 3:33 am

Jaysus, May battered.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:22 am

I think the EU is just going to go nuclear now.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Regginator3 » Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:19 am

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PostRe: Brexit
by Camp Freddie » Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:19 am

I think the EU are already pissed off that the UK doesn't do it's job in checking imports and preventing smuggling, especially from China. We have been taken to the EU courts over it.

No strawberry floating way will they mutually recognise our customs without any enforcement power from the EU courts.


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