The F1 2017 Thread

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PostRe: The F1 2017 Thread
by Pancake » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:41 pm

bear wrote:The 1-2 was there for the taking for Mercedes today. Won despite their strategy not because of it.
Bottas was shafted badly.

Agreed. Bottas was close to Vettel, if they had thought of trying the undercut themselves then Bottas could have had 2nd.

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PostRe: The F1 2017 Thread
by Kanbei » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:42 pm



There it is, no doubt really.

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PostRe: The F1 2017 Thread
by evanswolves » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:43 pm

5 sec pen for verstappen

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PostRe: The F1 2017 Thread
by Pancake » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:43 pm

He probably should get punished for that but a bit of a shame if it doesn't stand.

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PostRe: The F1 2017 Thread
by Jam-Master Jay » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:43 pm

Was that a 5 second penalty that flashed up for Verstappen? C4 went to add just as it came up.

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PostRe: The F1 2017 Thread
by evanswolves » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:44 pm

yep

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PostRe: The F1 2017 Thread
by evanswolves » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:44 pm

oooh, this is awkward...

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PostRe: The F1 2017 Thread
by Cuttooth » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:44 pm

Damn.

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PostRe: The F1 2017 Thread
by Memento Mori » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:52 pm

Verstappen :( Amazing drive though.

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PostRe: The F1 2017 Thread
by Ad7 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:55 pm

Usain Bants

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PostRe: The F1 2017 Thread
by jimbojango » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:14 pm

I call Ferrari lobby on the Max penalty.

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PostRe: The F1 2017 Thread
by BOR » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:36 pm

Max called the steward an idiot. :lol: poor him!

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PostRe: The F1 2017 Thread
by BOR » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:17 pm


"The job is done, and the bitch is dead."
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PostRe: The F1 2017 Thread
by Poser » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:28 am

Good race. Lewis is strawberry floating magnificent.

Gutted for Max, tbh, but even watching it live it was clear he'd cut the corner. He's a great driver to watch, though. Some racer.

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PostRe: The F1 2017 Thread
by Gently-Parted Ringpiece » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:27 am

That american shite was embarrassing. Those people have no dignity.

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PostRe: The F1 2017 Thread
by Pancake » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:31 am

BOR wrote:

The only other one of those I would potentially have an issue with is Sainz on Ocon but did Sainz actually get past him there? The rest are quite different to Verstappen's move in my opinion.

I do agree with Christian Horner's comments though, if you don't want drivers exceeding the track limits then make it disadvantageous for them to do so!

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PostRe: The F1 2017 Thread
by Gently-Parted Ringpiece » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:43 am

In regards to disadvantaging extra track action, you have to remember that these cars are bombing around at a serious rate, and the only way to slow them down off the tarmac is by making the surface bad for driving.

What do you use? Aggressive kerbs - bad for racing in general, Gravel - race killer and track clean-up implications, Grass/Turf - clean up and dangerous as the tyres lose all grip, Walls/Cones - stationary targets to crash into. Etc etc.

Basically anything you put outside of the lines to slow the people down to make it not worthwhile increases the danger to the people who remain on the track. If you put half the car on a surface that doesnt have comparable quality or grip to the other, you are probably going to radically adjust the attitude of it and send it flying into whomever is on the other side. They have these areas at the sides of the track as safety run-offs, so that people can avoid accidents or abandon a maneuvre for the sake of safety, you cant eliminate them because someone may break the rules from time to time, thats why the stewards are there.

Id probably prefer an intelligent system with sensors and gooseberry fool which registers when the car has left the legal track area and acts accordingly rather than a system 100% human, but thats another argument.

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PostRe: The F1 2017 Thread
by Pancake » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:58 am

There's no right answer. It's obviously safer to have run off areas, hence why most tracks do, but generally I'd prefer to see track limits respected since the purpose of circuit racing is to get round the defined track as quickly as possible. If there is space then racing drivers will take it but there has to be a line, the current setup has too many grey areas, it's too confusing for both drivers and fans. I like the idea of an intelligent system if there is no physical solution.

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PostRe: The F1 2017 Thread
by Roonmastor » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:58 am

Pancake wrote:
BOR wrote:

The only other one of those I would potentially have an issue with is Sainz on Ocon but did Sainz actually get past him there? The rest are quite different to Verstappen's move in my opinion.

I do agree with Christian Horner's comments though, if you don't want drivers exceeding the track limits then make it disadvantageous for them to do so!


They do make it disadvantageous, you get a penalty.

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PostRe: The F1 2017 Thread
by Pancake » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:59 am

Grey areas, inconsistent implementation of rules, etc.


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