The F1 2018 thread - #Blessed

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by Jam-Master Jay » Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:47 pm

Boring race yet again.

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PostRe: The F1 2018 thread - #Blessed
by Vermilion » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:56 am

Gave up watching the highlights show around lap 50, don't think i missed anything though.

Also, Lance Stroll deserved a slap for wiping out Hartley.

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PostRe: The F1 2018 thread - #Blessed
by Lotus » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:46 am

Watched all the highlights (not that there were any, hur hur) and it was pretty damn dull. Pleased Vettel won, but overall not much else to say. Best bit was them waving the flag early. :slol: :fp:
Why get 'celebrities' to do important parts of the race? What next, Wayne Rooney driving the safety car at Silverstone?

As for Stroll, I heard he had a puncture which led to him losing control and going into Hartley - not sure if that's true or not.

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PostRe: The F1 2018 thread - #Blessed
by Vermilion » Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:23 pm

Lotus wrote:Best bit was them waving the flag early. :slol: :fp: Why get 'celebrities' to do important parts of the race?


They tried it with Pele a few years back at Interlagos, he was so busy chatting he forgot to wave the flag at all so the entire field did an extra lap.

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PostRe: The F1 2018 thread - #Blessed
by Robbo-92 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:41 pm

Yeah it was a rubbish race, happy with the result though!

Hartley was being ambitious going for that move on the first lap but should have been given a bit of room by Stroll, instead Stroll got himself out of shape and crashed into Hartley then had the audacity to blame him. Perez was also on something as well calling for Sainz to be black flagged for more or less defending his position into turn 1.

French GP up next, not had this race on the calendar in all the years I've been watching Formula 1 so it should be good even if it's just because it's a new track (to me anyway).

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PostRe: The F1 2018 thread - #Blessed
by Vermilion » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:53 pm

They should have just gone back to Magny Cours, there was nothing wrong with that circuit.

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PostRe: The F1 2018 thread - #Blessed
by floydfreak » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:44 pm

France next be interesting to see the camera angles they use considering Paul Ricard is a massive car park with its massive tarmac run off areas. Will they be able to capture the speed of the cars.

They capture the speed of the cars well down the main straight.

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PostRe: The F1 2018 thread - #Blessed
by floydfreak » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:02 am

F1 slumps to lowest UK audience of modern era

After a promising start to the 2018 season, Formula 1’s UK audience figures crashed through the floor during the Canadian Grand Prix weekend, overnight viewing figures show.

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Live coverage of the race aired across Sky’s dedicated F1 channel, and their Main Event channel. Main Event were meant to join Sky F1 at 17:30, however this was pushed back to 19:05 as England’s cricket ODI with Scotland overran.

Sky Sports F1’s broadcast from 18:00 to 21:30 averaged 704k (4.2%), an identical figure to 2017, and an increase on 2016’s figure of 620k (2.9%).

What hurts Sky is that their Main Event simulcast performed poorly. An audience of 120k (0.7%) watched the simulcast, compared with 234k (1.1%) in 2016 and 259k (1.4%).

The combined average audience for the live broadcast was 787k (4.7%), down 18.3 percent on 2017’s average of 962k (5.2%), and a slightly smaller drop compared with 2016’s figure of 853k (4.0%).

It is likely that ITV’s Soccer Aid took away some of the floating casual audience that would have tuned into Sky’s F1 broadcast. The charity match averaged 3.86m (21.2%) across a three and three-quarter hour slot for the free-to-air broadcaster.

The race broadcast on Sky peaked with 1.30m (6.8%) at 20:40 as Sebastian Vettel won the Grand Prix, a dip compared to their 2016 and 2017 peaks of 1.41m (6.3%) and 1.47m (7.0%) respectively.

It should be noted that the total television audience dropped compared with previous years, but I would have expected Formula 1 to hold up better and to increase its share in this situation, as live sport tends to do.

Channel 4’s highlights programme struggled, averaging just 856k (12.2%) from 22:40 to 00:40, a decrease on both 2016 and 2017’s average audiences of 1.30m (15.3%) and 970k (11.6%) respectively.

The time slot for all three years was broadly the same, so the scale of the drop is somewhat shocking. Channel 4’s show peaked with 1.26m (14.7%) at 23:10 as the highlights edit started.

The combined average audience of 1.64 million viewers is the lowest average audience in the modern era for a Formula 1 race in the UK dating back to at least 2005.

Realistically, you probably need to go back to the days when the BBC did not air some races live in the mid-1990s, which makes Canada’s number a near 25 year low for the sport in the UK.

Compared with 2017, the combined average audience is down 15.0 percent (1.93m), and down 23.7 percent on 2016 (2.15m).

To show the scale of the problem for Canada, the combined peak audience of 2.56 million viewers is 300,000 viewers lower than the average audience from the Monaco Grand Prix two weeks ago.

Qualifying and Analysis
Live coverage of qualifying aired on Sky Sports F1 from 18:00 to 20:35, averaging 345k (2.7%), a slight bump on last year’s figure of 342k (2.2%).

Channel 4’s highlights suffered in a late-night time slot, averaging 614k (7.9%) from 22:55 to 00:25. Sky’s live coverage peaked with 684k (4.8%), compared with Channel 4’s peak audience later in the evening of 780k (9.5%).

The combined average audience of 960,000 viewers is the lowest for a Saturday qualifying session since the late 2000’s, and the lowest for Canada since 2006.

The above set of numbers do not include Sky Go, Now TV or All 4, which will increase total volumes slightly. However, even including them is not changing the fact that all the numbers are frankly abysmal and a new low for the sport in this country, an especially poor number coming off what has been a positive start to 2018 for Formula 1.

Canada has had a few problems, the main one being that the free-to-air highlights have aired in a graveyard time slot when not aired live since 2012. The problem was exacerbated this past weekend, with Channel 4 prioritising live rugby coverage over highlights of F1 weekend.

However, the fact also that Sky’s television audience is not improving with 2019 fast approaching should be a clear message to Liberty Media that viewers are unwilling to tune into Sky’s pay-TV broadcasts of Formula 1 in large volumes.

It is a problem that needs to be addressed and tackled, one way or the other. Time is ticking…


https://f1broadcasting.co/2018/06/11/f1 ... odern-era/

Next year the figures will be even lower then they have ever been going by those figures. Putting F1 behind a paywall next year will severely damage F1 in the UK which i don't think it will ever recover from if and when it does come back to Free to Air TV

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PostRe: The F1 2018 thread - #Blessed
by Errkal » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:51 am

I don't know how much sky will make a difference, it isn't that you have to pay that is killing interest its that the sport has become crap, the regulations have killed it with daft rules that prevent actual proper racing. The danger is gone with huge run offs meaning you don't get the brave overtakes that were interesting and drivers are far less skilled because teams have to go with the person who bring the most monkey rather than the guy who is best.

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PostRe: The F1 2018 thread - #Blessed
by Hyperion » Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:37 am

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PostRe: The F1 2018 thread - #Blessed
by KK » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:21 am

If you’re not football or darts at Christmas, the ratings on Sky Sports are what most people would consider to be niche for everything, verging on completely insignificant. Premier League reveals the ceiling for viewership is 2 million (on very rare occasions). That is the absolute maximum any sport can ever hope to achieve on Sky Sports.

And this is with Sky discounting like crazy across Sky and Now TV. 6 years of F1 locked to a gradually failing platform is craziness.

There will be more people in the UK watching Formula E, WRC and TOCA than the F1 if they don’t sort something out.

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PostRe: The F1 2018 thread - #Blessed
by captain red dog » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:21 am

The lofty days of 8.5 million tuning in during prime time for the 2008 finale seems a long way back now. I remember back then it felt everyone was talking about F1, I remember being a bit pissed off as it had always been a sport for the purists and suddenly every dirty casual had an opinion! :lol:

I'm not sure viewing figures really matter to the sport. The money they get from these big TV pay deals is insane.

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PostRe: The F1 2018 thread - #Blessed
by KK » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:44 am

captain red dog wrote:I'm not sure viewing figures really matter to the sport. The money they get from these big TV pay deals is insane.

WWE is the perfect example of this in America. Worst ratings in history, declining attendances, declining programme quality...and a new TV deal with Fox worth a record $1 billion.

There's another long term problem - the average age of many of these sports/entertainment ventures are middle aged+. Well how's that sustainable. You try and find somebody under the age of 25 that gives a strawberry float about golf or cricket (outside of India). F1 is the same, and it should be one of the most entertaining sports out there.

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PostRe: The F1 2018 thread - #Blessed
by Lotus » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:55 am

floydfreak wrote:F1 slumps to lowest UK audience of modern era
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Surely this is a surprise to nobody. The daft regulations and rules, the locking-in of coverage to a very limited audience, forcing people to pay for access to the coverage...hardly a recipe for big ratings, and it's only going to get worse. As long as the sponsors and TV deals keep coming in though, it's all good. :toot:

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PostRe: The F1 2018 thread - #Blessed
by Jam-Master Jay » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:00 pm

The Mercedes domination killed my interest in the racing and I can't even remember the last time I was genuinely excited about a race. The sad thing is that the part of the year I most look forward to is the car unveiling and pre-season testing as at least there is something interesting to talk about and analyse with other fans.

I would have been interested in F1TV but it not being available here due to Sky getting exclusive rights is just the final nail in the coffin for me. I can just read F1Technical or look at Auto/Motorsport if I want to admire the engineering porn throughout the year but even that is under threat with simplified power units and aero regulations on the horizon.

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by Errkal » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:05 pm

Jam-Master Jay wrote:The Mercedes domination killed my interest in the racing and I can't even remember the last time I was genuinely excited about a race.


Its the same for me, had Mercedes not had such a lead on everyone due to them focusing on the new engine and not the seasons that were happening combined with the daft token system preventing anyone from catching up it just killed the fun.

Even with Red Bull dominating I was fine as everyone else wasn't being stopped from catching up they just couldn't due to ability which is a shame but at least a genuine lead for Red Bull not a lead that the rules are maintaining for them.

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PostRe: The F1 2018 thread - #Blessed
by Vermilion » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:28 pm

Red Bull's domination was often just as dull as the Merc era, Vettel winning the entire second half of 2013 was just diabolical.

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PostRe: The F1 2018 thread - #Blessed
by Death's Head » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:07 pm

Surely people thought the same of the Ferrari era? I was a big fan of Schumacher and I loved seeing him win so maybe the same for other dominant eras for those who were fans of other drivers?

I think my interest in F1 dwindled once Schumacher left.

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PostRe: The F1 2018 thread - #Blessed
by Errkal » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:38 pm

Vermilion wrote:Red Bull's domination was often just as dull as the Merc era, Vettel winning the entire second half of 2013 was just diabolical.

Yeah but they dominated because they did something clever and no one else thought of something to come to their level, they didn't win because they threw 2 seasons to futher develop the engine to have a huge advantage when the rules came in preventing others from catching them up.

Both are domination but one is domination that is facilitated by the rules. During the red bull time anyone else could have caught if they had the skillz, in the merc years no one was allowed to catch up.

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PostRe: The F1 2018 thread - #Blessed
by Vermilion » Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:38 pm

Errkal wrote:
Vermilion wrote:Red Bull's domination was often just as dull as the Merc era, Vettel winning the entire second half of 2013 was just diabolical.

Yeah but they dominated because they did something clever and no one else thought of something to come to their level, they didn't win because they threw 2 seasons to futher develop the engine to have a huge advantage when the rules came in preventing others from catching them up.


Well, actually the 2013 dominance was due to a change in tyre compounds following silverstone's multiple blowouts.


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