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PostRe: The Football Thread 2018-19 - Proper Football Approaches
by Ecno » Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:08 pm

Parksey wrote:The other thing is, there's literally a game on just before the 3pm kick off. And a game on straight after.

So much time is given over to TV football, I find it a bit weird people complain about a set of 90 minute games that aren't on TV. How about that 90 minutes each week is set aside purely for live football, for being in a stadium or a ground. Considering the amount of TV coverage it doesn't seem that bad. We have enough football fans as it is who purely watch the game on TV and don't get to experience it in the flesh.

If you're that desperate to go watch a game, there's surely one near you anyway (though we all know you won't go out and watch one).


I would like to be able to watch all the Norwich games on TV at 3pm, as I don't live near Norwich any more I don't travel back that often. The fact that I can now pay £10 to watch the midweek games is a real improvement for me (and hopefully brings in revenue that the club wouldn't get otherwise).

There's evening the case of this week of me being willing and able to go to watch them away at Forest but the away allocation is sold out, so I can't go (despite spending money on train tickets already).

Counteracting that however, is that if I'm in Norwich but there's no home game for Norwich City, I do go watch some of the local non-league games Step 8/9 which I obviously wouldn't do if I was able to watch Norwich City games on the TV. I guess a potential starting point would be allowing clubs to hold beambacks of away games in their own stadiums.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2018-19 - Matchday 9
by PES Fan » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:05 pm

Wow, 4 defeats in 5 for Real Madrid. Wenger to Madrid is looking very possible.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2018-19 - Matchday 9
by Preezy » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:12 pm

PES Fan wrote:Wow, 4 defeats in 5 for Real Madrid. Wenger to Madrid is looking very possible.

More like Conte, but yeah cant see Lopetegui survivng much longer.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2018-19 - Matchday 9
by Photek » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:55 pm

Mo. :wub:

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by PES Fan » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:26 pm

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PES Fan wrote:Wow, 4 defeats in 5 for Real Madrid. Wenger to Madrid is looking very possible.

More like Conte, but yeah cant see Lopetegui survivng much longer.


Conte isn’t going anywhere at the moment. I read that he’s still in dispute with Chelsea over his pay off, so can’t take another job until that is resolved.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2018-19 - Matchday 9
by Saint of Killers » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:48 pm

Wasn't expecting Manchester United to get spanked today, namely because the game came after a international break. What I was expecting however was a bore draw but even that didn't come to pass. Jose out, etc.

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by Denster » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:52 pm

Much better today. Very impressed by the way we came out for the second half (having not been too bad in the first but just went to sleep). Martial took both his goals very well. Pogba amd Lukaku much improved in the second half. thought Shaw and Young were brilliant. Shame we didn't get the three points but some encouragement to be taken. From a fixture we don't usually get much from as well.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2018-19 - Matchday 9
by Ecno » Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:02 am

Why has Alexander Arnold not been playing? It's hurting my fantasy football team.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2018-19 - Matchday 9
by Photek » Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:17 am

He was dropped after a couple of ropey performances. I think Klopp is resting him too. He’s still the first choice right back though.

Another poor performance from Liverpool yesterday, Huddersfield offered little up front.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2018-19 - Proper Football Approaches
by pjbetman » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:42 pm

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<]:^D wrote:the blackout rule is ridiculous in this day and age
"oh no, theres no football on, ill go watch Accrington Stanley instead"
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It's not that way round though that's the worry is it?

It's meant to be stopping an Accrington Stanley fan staying in and watching Man United v Liverpool instead. You might get season ticket holders at lower league/non-leagie clubs picking and choosing games based on what's on TV. Some of it might be scare-mongering but you can definitely see it happening towards the end of the season when there could be decisive PL games on and some people decide to watch them instead.

To be honest, I have no problem with 3pm games on a Saturday not being shown. There aren't shortages of watchable games across the week and it's largely oversaturated coverage of the same half a dozen teams anyway.

Not every game needs to be televised. As a Boro fan, I get to see half a dozen or so games on TV each year (a little more if we are in the promotion battles). I can accept that, so why can't Chelsea, United, City, Liverpool fans who gets to see upwards of 20-30 matches a year?

For me, if we aren't on TV I accept I will have to listen to the local radio (I pay a subscription fee but that's fine as it's locally made and decent), or I have to get myself there in person. Back when I was in the UK, I got a season ticket so I could see the home games.

For fans that live apart from their teams, why do you demand even more coverage? As I said, these fans tend to support the big clubs who get a massive share of the coverage pie (and cash) already. Missing out on games is part and parcel of being a fan of a big side and living elsewhere. You're already missing out on going to home games every other week, so I don't know why people get uppity about TV coverage. You made the choice to follow one that's a couple of hundred miles away.

I'm not sure why some fans demand games at 3pm. 90% of other fans have to accept their team rarely being on TV.


I get your argument. However, it's irrelevant now, as anyone can watch a 3pm game on a smart tv/PC/tablet/android box/mobile.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2018-19 - Proper Football Approaches
by Photek » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:25 am

pjbetman wrote:I get your argument. However, it's irrelevant now, as anyone can watch a 3pm game on a smart tv/PC/tablet/android box/mobile.

Nonsense, sure it's possible to see them but the vast majority of people either don't know how, or don't bother getting the games via nefarious means.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2018-19 - Matchday 9 - ARS/LEI 8pm Sky Sports
by Preezy » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:32 am

Interesting article about English football "fans" that travel abroad to follow the national team:

“It is a minority, but there are far too many, and it would be wrong to try to minimise it as a small minority. There is a significant contingent of people who cannot behave because of alcohol” – Deputy Chief Constable Mark Roberts, responsible for policing football, on October 18 2018 after England fans caused trouble in Seville.

‘About 100 of them got into the swimming pool, driving out everyone else. Then they began jumping up and down, splashing and chanting “You what? You what? You what, you what you what?” They didn’t do it once or twice, they did it for about 15 minutes. We stood and watched, amazed at how funny they seemed to think this was. Then they started singing “Here we go here we go here we go” for another ten minutes, like it was the cleverest thing ever. Then a couple hit a Spanish lad in the face. “What you looking at Pepe?” Bam! They loved annoying people. Loved picking a fight. If you didn’t get annoyed at them they’d pick on you. But if you did, they’d come over and hit you. Everyone was sick of them. It was shameful” – Jimmy E, June 6 1989.

This is an extract from a letter – remember them? – that my pal Jimmy wrote, which came to the surface in the last week while I was unpacking after moving house. It describes a scene he witnessed at a hotel where he was working in Fuengirola. What he describes was how English people on a Club 18-30 holiday routinely behaved, pretty much every day. While this was the first time he’d seen it, it then happened all the time, right through the summer.

This culture was perfectly expressed by the band Thunder, who around that time had a song called An Englishman On Holiday.

Laying down in this Spanish bar, that last slammer hit me like a car
I’ve got the 6 a.m. Balearic blues, can’t even focus on my own tattoos
I had a fight with this German guy, I saw him give my little girl the eye
While he was trying hard to be so cool, I hit him with a stool

Oh yes, alright, I’ll be going all night
Gonna drink ’til they take me away, I’m an Englishman on holiday

Every year I get to do the same, I meet the boys and get on the plane
We like to sing and shout out “here we go”
‘Cos they’re the only words that we all know.

I called up Jimmy and told him about the letter I’d found. He recalled that summer he’d spent working in a huge hotel bar.

“It wasn’t just how aggressive and boorish the English were, it was how pleased they were with themselves for being that way. That’s what shocked me. Like as if it was great to behave like a total twat. They just wanted to cause trouble and they all thought they were bloody great for doing so. No excuses. They were just idiots who felt, for whatever reason, entitled to behave like an invading army.”

We went on to talk about the behaviour of some of the England fans in Seville prior to the game this week.

“They’re the same people. They’re the same type of selfish bastards causing mayhem and destruction and taking pleasure in it. The English are the only ones to do it en masse and glory in it. It’s their identity. It is a uniquely male, English thing. It was almost never Scots or Irish or Welsh. I was embarrassed to be English by the end of that summer. I don’t get it. We grew up going out drinking and never behaved like that, did we? We never wanted to be that much of a twat. I still don’t get why they’re like that.”

So that’s my question. Why are those English people like that?

No England game played within reach of a short flight fails to attract a few gangs of such people. We saw them in Spain last week but we’ve seen them in France, Holland and Germany too. Is it really all drink-driven or does the drink just allow them to indulge their real selves. The journalist Daniel Taylor has called it the stag-do mentality and maybe it is, but where does that mentality derive from?

Vandalising a car, or a bar, or throwing someone’s bike in a canal, or whatever it is ‘the boys’ are laughing about, must be rooted in a sense of Englishness for it to be a uniquely English trait. Others drink and get rowdy, but it doesn’t so easily default to racist, nationalistic and xenophobic chanting.

It looks like a defensive measure taken to try and define yourself against something and of course, English v Foreign has always been fertile soil for evil’s bitter seeds to flourish.

Trying to assert superiority and dominance is often an expression of a sense of inferiority or weakness. So it could be a rebellion against a sense of powerlessness in their everyday lives. At home they have to shut up and take orders, but when away they let all out that pent-up suppressed emotion.

Their lack of empathy is striking. Many of us find our public behaviour rotates around wishing not to upset or offend people but these men seem to have surrendered those basic values. That’s not a small thing and tells us that the desire to behave badly is greater than almost anything else. It is very important to them.

Some may just excuse it all as being caused by heavy drinking. Whilst drinking must be an ingredient in this rancid mix, the need to get drunk en masse is but another illustration of unhappiness and perhaps even mental unwellness. It may seem normal to them, but of course we know it isn’t.

All of which leads us back to England, the country. What sort of society is it which produces these people? The other home nations do not send such people abroad to kick the wing mirror off a car or shatter a windscreen. The Irish, Scots and Welsh are often welcomed. Shutters are not pulled down for them the way they are when England are in town.

Maybe this is because the other nations that make up Britain have a strong sense of national identity. England doesn’t. England has strong regional identities which many of us readily embrace, sometimes to the exclusion of a sense of Englishness. So are these Englishmen culturally adrift and in search of an identity?

Is it a product of a culture of toxic masculinity? Are these men feeling emasculated by what they perceive as the feminisation of society and take England games as a chance to reassert or express old school maleness?

Or is it because the English economic model is built on promulgation of individualism and consumer choice over and above the community and the spiritual? Is that making these people feel like losers in the race of life and thus want to lash out? Are they simply angry at life? Or maybe, and this is Jimmy’s view, they’re just amoral swine who need slapping down and putting in jail.

Just banning drinking, as the police suggest, might help, but this urge to be a bastard on foreign soil has buried roots and will not go away until we dig deep and address the real issues of manhood, nationhood, territorialism, racism, empire and economics. Until then, as Danny Bowes from Thunder sings, it’ll be a case of …

I’ve got to get out before I miss the plane, next summer I’ll be back again
I’ll be fighting for the Union Jack, if they let me back
Oh yes, alright, I’ll be going all night,
Gonna drink ’til they take me away, I’m an Englishman on holiday…

I do think there's something very unique about English away fans, in that 90% of them are scum. I work with a guy who was in the crowd of "fans" in Amsterdam that got reported in the press fairly recently, and he seemed delighted with himself and the exploits of "the lads" on that occasion. As you can imagine, he's a complete bellend.

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by Blue Eyes » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:44 am

Preezy wrote:Interesting article about English football "fans" that travel abroad to follow the national team:

“It is a minority, but there are far too many, and it would be wrong to try to minimise it as a small minority. There is a significant contingent of people who cannot behave because of alcohol” – Deputy Chief Constable Mark Roberts, responsible for policing football, on October 18 2018 after England fans caused trouble in Seville.

‘About 100 of them got into the swimming pool, driving out everyone else. Then they began jumping up and down, splashing and chanting “You what? You what? You what, you what you what?” They didn’t do it once or twice, they did it for about 15 minutes. We stood and watched, amazed at how funny they seemed to think this was. Then they started singing “Here we go here we go here we go” for another ten minutes, like it was the cleverest thing ever. Then a couple hit a Spanish lad in the face. “What you looking at Pepe?” Bam! They loved annoying people. Loved picking a fight. If you didn’t get annoyed at them they’d pick on you. But if you did, they’d come over and hit you. Everyone was sick of them. It was shameful” – Jimmy E, June 6 1989.

This is an extract from a letter – remember them? – that my pal Jimmy wrote, which came to the surface in the last week while I was unpacking after moving house. It describes a scene he witnessed at a hotel where he was working in Fuengirola. What he describes was how English people on a Club 18-30 holiday routinely behaved, pretty much every day. While this was the first time he’d seen it, it then happened all the time, right through the summer.

This culture was perfectly expressed by the band Thunder, who around that time had a song called An Englishman On Holiday.

Laying down in this Spanish bar, that last slammer hit me like a car
I’ve got the 6 a.m. Balearic blues, can’t even focus on my own tattoos
I had a fight with this German guy, I saw him give my little girl the eye
While he was trying hard to be so cool, I hit him with a stool

Oh yes, alright, I’ll be going all night
Gonna drink ’til they take me away, I’m an Englishman on holiday

Every year I get to do the same, I meet the boys and get on the plane
We like to sing and shout out “here we go”
‘Cos they’re the only words that we all know.

I called up Jimmy and told him about the letter I’d found. He recalled that summer he’d spent working in a huge hotel bar.

“It wasn’t just how aggressive and boorish the English were, it was how pleased they were with themselves for being that way. That’s what shocked me. Like as if it was great to behave like a total twat. They just wanted to cause trouble and they all thought they were bloody great for doing so. No excuses. They were just idiots who felt, for whatever reason, entitled to behave like an invading army.”

We went on to talk about the behaviour of some of the England fans in Seville prior to the game this week.

“They’re the same people. They’re the same type of selfish bastards causing mayhem and destruction and taking pleasure in it. The English are the only ones to do it en masse and glory in it. It’s their identity. It is a uniquely male, English thing. It was almost never Scots or Irish or Welsh. I was embarrassed to be English by the end of that summer. I don’t get it. We grew up going out drinking and never behaved like that, did we? We never wanted to be that much of a twat. I still don’t get why they’re like that.”

So that’s my question. Why are those English people like that?

No England game played within reach of a short flight fails to attract a few gangs of such people. We saw them in Spain last week but we’ve seen them in France, Holland and Germany too. Is it really all drink-driven or does the drink just allow them to indulge their real selves. The journalist Daniel Taylor has called it the stag-do mentality and maybe it is, but where does that mentality derive from?

Vandalising a car, or a bar, or throwing someone’s bike in a canal, or whatever it is ‘the boys’ are laughing about, must be rooted in a sense of Englishness for it to be a uniquely English trait. Others drink and get rowdy, but it doesn’t so easily default to racist, nationalistic and xenophobic chanting.

It looks like a defensive measure taken to try and define yourself against something and of course, English v Foreign has always been fertile soil for evil’s bitter seeds to flourish.

Trying to assert superiority and dominance is often an expression of a sense of inferiority or weakness. So it could be a rebellion against a sense of powerlessness in their everyday lives. At home they have to shut up and take orders, but when away they let all out that pent-up suppressed emotion.

Their lack of empathy is striking. Many of us find our public behaviour rotates around wishing not to upset or offend people but these men seem to have surrendered those basic values. That’s not a small thing and tells us that the desire to behave badly is greater than almost anything else. It is very important to them.

Some may just excuse it all as being caused by heavy drinking. Whilst drinking must be an ingredient in this rancid mix, the need to get drunk en masse is but another illustration of unhappiness and perhaps even mental unwellness. It may seem normal to them, but of course we know it isn’t.

All of which leads us back to England, the country. What sort of society is it which produces these people? The other home nations do not send such people abroad to kick the wing mirror off a car or shatter a windscreen. The Irish, Scots and Welsh are often welcomed. Shutters are not pulled down for them the way they are when England are in town.

Maybe this is because the other nations that make up Britain have a strong sense of national identity. England doesn’t. England has strong regional identities which many of us readily embrace, sometimes to the exclusion of a sense of Englishness. So are these Englishmen culturally adrift and in search of an identity?

Is it a product of a culture of toxic masculinity? Are these men feeling emasculated by what they perceive as the feminisation of society and take England games as a chance to reassert or express old school maleness?

Or is it because the English economic model is built on promulgation of individualism and consumer choice over and above the community and the spiritual? Is that making these people feel like losers in the race of life and thus want to lash out? Are they simply angry at life? Or maybe, and this is Jimmy’s view, they’re just amoral swine who need slapping down and putting in jail.

Just banning drinking, as the police suggest, might help, but this urge to be a bastard on foreign soil has buried roots and will not go away until we dig deep and address the real issues of manhood, nationhood, territorialism, racism, empire and economics. Until then, as Danny Bowes from Thunder sings, it’ll be a case of …

I’ve got to get out before I miss the plane, next summer I’ll be back again
I’ll be fighting for the Union Jack, if they let me back
Oh yes, alright, I’ll be going all night,
Gonna drink ’til they take me away, I’m an Englishman on holiday…

I do think there's something very unique about English away fans, in that 90% of them are scum. I work with a guy who was in the crowd of "fans" in Amsterdam that got reported in the press fairly recently, and he seemed delighted with himself and the exploits of "the lads" on that occasion. As you can imagine, he's a complete bellend.

Ha! I don't think it's quite 90% of them, but it is a far higher proportion that we'd like to imagine.

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by Photek » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:47 am

I know it's seen as a good sign but in all truth, Liverpool have not being playing well in the league at all. Bar destroying a West Ham that hadn't found their best team or formation yet on the opening day of the season, we've been scraping by.

I'm hoping this is the part of the season that we simply aren't performing but unlike other years we have a strong defence and goal keepr. I foresee a loss soon but on the flip side, I think Liverpool are going to spank some team at some stage and kick on from that, I hope it's just the latter.

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by Moggy » Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:26 am

Preezy wrote:Interesting article about English football "fans" that travel abroad to follow the national team:

“It is a minority, but there are far too many, and it would be wrong to try to minimise it as a small minority. There is a significant contingent of people who cannot behave because of alcohol” – Deputy Chief Constable Mark Roberts, responsible for policing football, on October 18 2018 after England fans caused trouble in Seville.

‘About 100 of them got into the swimming pool, driving out everyone else. Then they began jumping up and down, splashing and chanting “You what? You what? You what, you what you what?” They didn’t do it once or twice, they did it for about 15 minutes. We stood and watched, amazed at how funny they seemed to think this was. Then they started singing “Here we go here we go here we go” for another ten minutes, like it was the cleverest thing ever. Then a couple hit a Spanish lad in the face. “What you looking at Pepe?” Bam! They loved annoying people. Loved picking a fight. If you didn’t get annoyed at them they’d pick on you. But if you did, they’d come over and hit you. Everyone was sick of them. It was shameful” – Jimmy E, June 6 1989.

This is an extract from a letter – remember them? – that my pal Jimmy wrote, which came to the surface in the last week while I was unpacking after moving house. It describes a scene he witnessed at a hotel where he was working in Fuengirola. What he describes was how English people on a Club 18-30 holiday routinely behaved, pretty much every day. While this was the first time he’d seen it, it then happened all the time, right through the summer.

This culture was perfectly expressed by the band Thunder, who around that time had a song called An Englishman On Holiday.

Laying down in this Spanish bar, that last slammer hit me like a car
I’ve got the 6 a.m. Balearic blues, can’t even focus on my own tattoos
I had a fight with this German guy, I saw him give my little girl the eye
While he was trying hard to be so cool, I hit him with a stool

Oh yes, alright, I’ll be going all night
Gonna drink ’til they take me away, I’m an Englishman on holiday

Every year I get to do the same, I meet the boys and get on the plane
We like to sing and shout out “here we go”
‘Cos they’re the only words that we all know.

I called up Jimmy and told him about the letter I’d found. He recalled that summer he’d spent working in a huge hotel bar.

“It wasn’t just how aggressive and boorish the English were, it was how pleased they were with themselves for being that way. That’s what shocked me. Like as if it was great to behave like a total twat. They just wanted to cause trouble and they all thought they were bloody great for doing so. No excuses. They were just idiots who felt, for whatever reason, entitled to behave like an invading army.”

We went on to talk about the behaviour of some of the England fans in Seville prior to the game this week.

“They’re the same people. They’re the same type of selfish bastards causing mayhem and destruction and taking pleasure in it. The English are the only ones to do it en masse and glory in it. It’s their identity. It is a uniquely male, English thing. It was almost never Scots or Irish or Welsh. I was embarrassed to be English by the end of that summer. I don’t get it. We grew up going out drinking and never behaved like that, did we? We never wanted to be that much of a twat. I still don’t get why they’re like that.”

So that’s my question. Why are those English people like that?

No England game played within reach of a short flight fails to attract a few gangs of such people. We saw them in Spain last week but we’ve seen them in France, Holland and Germany too. Is it really all drink-driven or does the drink just allow them to indulge their real selves. The journalist Daniel Taylor has called it the stag-do mentality and maybe it is, but where does that mentality derive from?

Vandalising a car, or a bar, or throwing someone’s bike in a canal, or whatever it is ‘the boys’ are laughing about, must be rooted in a sense of Englishness for it to be a uniquely English trait. Others drink and get rowdy, but it doesn’t so easily default to racist, nationalistic and xenophobic chanting.

It looks like a defensive measure taken to try and define yourself against something and of course, English v Foreign has always been fertile soil for evil’s bitter seeds to flourish.

Trying to assert superiority and dominance is often an expression of a sense of inferiority or weakness. So it could be a rebellion against a sense of powerlessness in their everyday lives. At home they have to shut up and take orders, but when away they let all out that pent-up suppressed emotion.

Their lack of empathy is striking. Many of us find our public behaviour rotates around wishing not to upset or offend people but these men seem to have surrendered those basic values. That’s not a small thing and tells us that the desire to behave badly is greater than almost anything else. It is very important to them.

Some may just excuse it all as being caused by heavy drinking. Whilst drinking must be an ingredient in this rancid mix, the need to get drunk en masse is but another illustration of unhappiness and perhaps even mental unwellness. It may seem normal to them, but of course we know it isn’t.

All of which leads us back to England, the country. What sort of society is it which produces these people? The other home nations do not send such people abroad to kick the wing mirror off a car or shatter a windscreen. The Irish, Scots and Welsh are often welcomed. Shutters are not pulled down for them the way they are when England are in town.

Maybe this is because the other nations that make up Britain have a strong sense of national identity. England doesn’t. England has strong regional identities which many of us readily embrace, sometimes to the exclusion of a sense of Englishness. So are these Englishmen culturally adrift and in search of an identity?

Is it a product of a culture of toxic masculinity? Are these men feeling emasculated by what they perceive as the feminisation of society and take England games as a chance to reassert or express old school maleness?

Or is it because the English economic model is built on promulgation of individualism and consumer choice over and above the community and the spiritual? Is that making these people feel like losers in the race of life and thus want to lash out? Are they simply angry at life? Or maybe, and this is Jimmy’s view, they’re just amoral swine who need slapping down and putting in jail.

Just banning drinking, as the police suggest, might help, but this urge to be a bastard on foreign soil has buried roots and will not go away until we dig deep and address the real issues of manhood, nationhood, territorialism, racism, empire and economics. Until then, as Danny Bowes from Thunder sings, it’ll be a case of …

I’ve got to get out before I miss the plane, next summer I’ll be back again
I’ll be fighting for the Union Jack, if they let me back
Oh yes, alright, I’ll be going all night,
Gonna drink ’til they take me away, I’m an Englishman on holiday…

I do think there's something very unique about English away fans, in that 90% of them are scum. I work with a guy who was in the crowd of "fans" in Amsterdam that got reported in the press fairly recently, and he seemed delighted with himself and the exploits of "the lads" on that occasion. As you can imagine, he's a complete bellend.


Hooligans > band.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2018-19 - Proper Football Approaches
by pjbetman » Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:31 am

Photek wrote:
pjbetman wrote:I get your argument. However, it's irrelevant now, as anyone can watch a 3pm game on a smart tv/PC/tablet/android box/mobile.

Nonsense, sure it's possible to see them but the vast majority of people either don't know how, or don't bother getting the games via nefarious means.



Nah, it's massive now. Facebook ads everywhere for it. Dead cheap too. Seen people doing it for £25 for 6 months. The technological barrier isn't what it was 2 or 3 years ago. Everyone knows someone who will set one up for them, if theyre struggling.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2018-19 - Matchday 9 - ARS/LEI 8pm Sky Sports
by Cuttooth » Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:57 pm

On the subject of blackouts, Sean Ingle has highlighted research into how lower league attendances particularly drop during midweek European matches.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2018-19 - Matchday 9 - ARS/LEI 8pm Sky Sports
by Snowcannon » Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:49 pm

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2018-19 - Matchday 9 - ARS/LEI 8pm Sky Sports
by Preezy » Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:36 pm

Does anyone still have that avatar of Jose looking upset? It was one of a series of them that were posted in one of the old football threads, they look quite pixelated, had ones of Klopp as well...?

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2018-19 - Matchday 9 - ARS/LEI 8pm Sky Sports
by darksideby182 » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:24 pm

Arsenal poor in the first half but absolutely ripping Leicester apart in the second half.

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