The Football Thread 2023/24: Real Madrid win 15th Champions League title, Mbappe to join in July

[Moggy]

Fortunately, I'm glad there's at least some of us who understand the definition isn't something which is set in stone. It's forever been debatable and probably always will be.

I'm with Shearer and Lineker on this one. Hitting the ball the second it pings up off the grass is colloquially a 'half volley', while if it's floating in the air, falling down, is a volley. Because it's the exact same technique regardless of how the ball got there. Whereas it's a unique technique judging how to strike a ball just as it's leaving the ground.

If a striker sprints ahead of the last defender, stops the ball on the penalty spot and blasts it in, would you call it a penalty, because it's the same technique?

What on earth are you talking about?

That's not even remotely the same thing.

Kicking a ball from the penalty spot is the same technique whether it is a penalty kick or a shot.

You're correct that they are not the same thing. Which is why I used it as an example of why you are wrong about half volleys.

[Imrahil]

No... I mean, as in your comparison makes no sense.

Because a penalty is when the game is stopped, the goalkeeper stays on his line, etc. The conditions surrounding that process are entirely different. So of course I wouldn't call it a penalty if a striker did what you described.

Whereas hitting a volley on a dropping ball, the conditions are mechanically exactly the same regardless of how the ball got there. Hitting a ball the second it comes up off the grass is different and has a unique technique. So the differentiation makes much more sense.

[Moggy]

So of course I wouldn't call it a penalty if a striker did what you described.

Thank you.

And I wouldn't call it a volley if the ball has bounced on the ground.

[Imrahil]

So of course I wouldn't call it a penalty if a striker did what you described.

Thank you.

And I wouldn't call it a volley if the ball has bounced on the ground.

Yeah, that's fine. It's always been debated.

But your weird penalty comparison makes zero sense in this context.

[Moggy]

So of course I wouldn't call it a penalty if a striker did what you described.

Thank you.

And I wouldn't call it a volley if the ball has bounced on the ground.

Yeah, that's fine. It's always been debated.

But your weird penalty comparison makes zero sense in this context.

The comparison was to highlight that different things are different, even if you break them down to try and make them sound similar.

[Imrahil]

But the comparison doesn't work in this instance because volleying a falling ball is the same concept, regardless of whether it bounced or not. Whereas a penalty kick and a striker doing what you're saying are demonstrably different.

[Moggy]

But the comparison doesn't work in this instance because volleying a falling ball is the same concept, regardless of whether it bounced or not. Whereas a penalty kick and a striker doing what you're saying are demonstrably different.

It wasn't meant to be an exact comparison, just an example of similar things that are in fact very different. If it's really bothering you that much, then come up with your own scenario of different things.

But whatever you come up with, the fact remains that:

Ball hasn't bounced = volley

Ball has bounced = half volley

[Cuttooth]

There's a debate on the BBC Football live page, and everyone is getting it wrong .

What is a half volley?

1. When you strike a ball that has already bounced on the ground
2. Only if struck immediately after the ball bounces

If it's hit the ground before you kick it, it's a half volley! I will fight you all. It's only a 'full' volley if the last thing the ball touched was not the ground.

#TeamMicah

Considering a ban for inflicting this debate upon us.

[Tomous]

But the comparison doesn't work in this instance because volleying a falling ball is the same concept, regardless of whether it bounced or not. Whereas a penalty kick and a striker doing what you're saying are demonstrably different.

It wasn't meant to be an exact comparison, just an example of similar things that are in fact very different. If it's really bothering you that much, then come up with your own scenario of different things.

But whatever you come up with, the fact remains that:

Ball hasn't bounced = volley

Ball has bounced = half volley

Is this a fact though? The Oxford dictionary defines a half volley as:


half-volley
/ˌhɑːfˈvɒli/
noun

(chiefly in tennis or soccer) a strike or kick of the ball made immediately after it bounces off the ground.

[Oblomov Boblomov]

There's a debate on the BBC Football live page, and everyone is getting it wrong .

What is a half volley?

1. When you strike a ball that has already bounced on the ground
2. Only if struck immediately after the ball bounces

If it's hit the ground before you kick it, it's a half volley! I will fight you all. It's only a 'full' volley if the last thing the ball touched was not the ground.

#TeamMicah

Considering a ban for inflicting this debate upon us.

I'll take a half ban – it would be deserved.

[Imrahil]

But the comparison doesn't work in this instance because volleying a falling ball is the same concept, regardless of whether it bounced or not. Whereas a penalty kick and a striker doing what you're saying are demonstrably different.

It wasn't meant to be an exact comparison, just an example of similar things that are in fact very different. If it's really bothering you that much, then come up with your own scenario of different things.

But whatever you come up with, the fact remains that:

Ball hasn't bounced = volley

Ball has bounced = half volley

Why do you think it's bothering me? You're the one that came up with it, I'm just responding to your posts.

I wouldn't take this debate to the point where I'm trying to declare something is a fact or not by the way. I'm not even sure if it's possible to have a factual definition in this instance. It's a fair point me, Shearer and Lineker are making.

[Tomous]

I suppose tennis is a combination of the football arguments here-a volley is only before the ball bounces (which makes sense because otherwise most shots would be volleys!) but a half volley is when it's hit just after it has bounced.

[Moggy]

But the comparison doesn't work in this instance because volleying a falling ball is the same concept, regardless of whether it bounced or not. Whereas a penalty kick and a striker doing what you're saying are demonstrably different.

It wasn't meant to be an exact comparison, just an example of similar things that are in fact very different. If it's really bothering you that much, then come up with your own scenario of different things.

But whatever you come up with, the fact remains that:

Ball hasn't bounced = volley

Ball has bounced = half volley

Is this a fact though? The Oxford dictionary defines a half volley as:


half-volley
/ˌhɑːfˈvɒli/
noun

(chiefly in tennis or soccer) a strike or kick of the ball made immediately after it bounces off the ground.

strawberry float me, we're digging out dictionary definitions?

Ok then, define "immediately", to the exact millisecond.

[Moggy]

But the comparison doesn't work in this instance because volleying a falling ball is the same concept, regardless of whether it bounced or not. Whereas a penalty kick and a striker doing what you're saying are demonstrably different.

It wasn't meant to be an exact comparison, just an example of similar things that are in fact very different. If it's really bothering you that much, then come up with your own scenario of different things.

But whatever you come up with, the fact remains that:

Ball hasn't bounced = volley

Ball has bounced = half volley

Why do you think it's bothering me? You're the one that came up with it, I'm just responding to your posts.

I wouldn't take this debate to the point where I'm trying to declare something is a fact or not by the way. I'm not even sure if it's possible to have a factual definition in this instance. It's a fair point me, Shearer and Lineker are making.

I think it bothered you because you keep repeating that the examples are different, when it was obvious that the entire point was that they are different.

If you want to shout "what a volley!" when a player hits a ball that has bounced, then good for you.

[Tomous]

Moggy chill

[Imrahil]

[Tomous]

I'll take a half ban – it would be deserved.

Fully deserved at this point.

[Moggy]

Moggy chill

I'm chilled.

[Oblomov Boblomov]

I'll take a half ban – it would be deserved.

Fully deserved at this point.

But I've already bounced off the floor!

[Tomous]

I'll take a half ban – it would be deserved.

Fully deserved at this point.

But I've already bounced off the floor!

And I kicked you immediately afterwards