The Hannivalia Crisis 1891 [AYAW] - The End (page 137)

I actually didn't mind getting killed first night. I had only just read through the thread so wasn't yet fully invested and it was fun to watch from the outside as a spectator.

I was suspicious of three people and they did all turn out to be conformists, but I expect if I was still in the game then I would have over analysed everything and those names would have changed to innocents.

Well done ob bob, a very well hidden seer.

Thanks OR for running the game. The theme and rule changes worked well. Perhaps PMs needed to come in a bit later for conformists to have a chance, and it was more fun when everything was in thread. On the whole voting for rules was a good twist to the usual format.

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
A note on point 7, which is the time Mori absolutely smoked me like a kipper. He PM'd privately to say something like "I wish you hadn't included Zilnad mate, I'm sure he is the Seer!" and from then on I was convinced of his MP credentials!

Thanks for that, that's pretty interesting. I don't think I was even lying at that point!

Though there was one very paranoid moment I had the night Albear was lynched where I briefly became convinced Hypes was the seer. Mommy completely changed his lynch vote from Clarkman to Hypes. I concocted a theory where they had someone else use vote rigging power and then the seer (Hypes) would claim it. It was complete Pepe Sylvia stuff.

Herdanos wrote:I've already said a lot in the dead thread and don't have much time free today to analyse, but:

Big well done to OB, one of the all time great games. Get yourself caught up in the dead thread and lap up all that praise.

And also, a big well done to OR for a superbly themed game. I thought your final post was brilliant, so good work to whoever it was that incorporated the parody of the current IRL Tory-Sleaze-gate (the latest episode thereof).

A fascinating game to observe as a spectator. I'll be out to kill Drumstick first next time no matter what.

Yeah theming can really enhance an AYAW and OB did a great job here.

I stole that line from Owen Patterson about leaving the cruel world of politics and then went back and doubledowned on the suspension stuff.

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
A note on point 7, which is the time Mori absolutely smoked me like a kipper. He PM'd privately to say something like "I wish you hadn't included Zilnad mate, I'm sure he is the Seer!" and from then on I was convinced of his MP credentials!

Thanks for that, that's pretty interesting. I don't think I was even lying at that point!

Though there was one very paranoid moment I had the night Albear was lynched where I briefly became convinced Hypes was the seer. Mommy completely changed his lynch vote from Clarkman to Hypes. I concocted a theory where they had someone else use vote rigging power and then the seer (Hypes) would claim it. It was complete Pepe Sylvia stuff.

Herdanos wrote:I've already said a lot in the dead thread and don't have much time free today to analyse, but:

Big well done to OB, one of the all time great games. Get yourself caught up in the dead thread and lap up all that praise.

And also, a big well done to OR for a superbly themed game. I thought your final post was brilliant, so good work to whoever it was that incorporated the parody of the current IRL Tory-Sleaze-gate (the latest episode thereof).

A fascinating game to observe as a spectator. I'll be out to kill Drumstick first next time no matter what.

Yeah theming can really enhance an AYAW and OB did a great job here.

I stole that line from Owen Patterson about leaving the cruel world of politics and then went back and doubledowned on the suspension stuff.

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:Bit of a hairy moment when another one of my bluffs in voting for Clarkman as Minister, even though he was on a platform of lynching me, came dangerously close to backfiring .

And you PMed me asking me to save to save you which I did.

well played everyone, good job ob and mommy

i enjoyed the entirely concocted moggy meltdown too

one thing i do think about when these game breakdowns come about is how the alt account games work best for the unfortunate players who carry notoriety - it must be really frustrating to barely get a game in because of the spectre of 'hes good gotta kill him first' etc

False wrote:one thing i do think about when these game breakdowns come about is how the alt account games work best for the unfortunate players who carry notoriety - it must be really frustrating to barely get a game in because of the spectre of 'hes good gotta kill him first' etc

Yeah and also "why is he still alive so late in the game" or "I'm the vigilante, let's kill Denster". The alt account game I ran some years back worked well I think.

Memento Mori wrote:

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:Bit of a hairy moment when another one of my bluffs in voting for Clarkman as Minister, even though he was on a platform of lynching me, came dangerously close to backfiring .

And you PMed me asking me to save to save you which I did.

Oh bloody hell yeah, I forgot about that totally spangled any value to my bluff, then!

The obvious question from that is why then did you not tell the other Wolves what had happened? Surely that was the moment you should have twigged and had me murdered!

False wrote:well played everyone, good job ob and mommy

i enjoyed the entirely concocted moggy meltdown too

one thing i do think about when these game breakdowns come about is how the alt account games work best for the unfortunate players who carry notoriety - it must be really frustrating to barely get a game in because of the spectre of 'hes good gotta kill him first' etc

Yeah, alt accounts would be a good idea. There was lots of references to good players and also the roles that people had had in previous games.

False wrote:well played everyone, good job ob and mommy

i enjoyed the entirely concocted moggy meltdown too

one thing i do think about when these game breakdowns come about is how the alt account games work best for the unfortunate players who carry notoriety - it must be really frustrating to barely get a game in because of the spectre of 'hes good gotta kill him first' etc

I completely agree. It was really noticeable in this game just how many times players were brought up (in thread and in wolf chat) just because "they are a good player" or "they are posting differently".

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:

Memento Mori wrote:

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:Bit of a hairy moment when another one of my bluffs in voting for Clarkman as Minister, even though he was on a platform of lynching me, came dangerously close to backfiring .

And you PMed me asking me to save to save you which I did.

Oh bloody hell yeah, I forgot about that totally spangled any value to my bluff, then!

The obvious question from that is why then did you not tell the other Wolves what had happened? Surely that was the moment you should have twigged and had me murdered!

I was in the midst of cooking dinner while that was all going on so maybe I didn't think things through as much as I should because I was distracted. It never crossed my mind you were seer though, I just thought you were a bored human.

I agree. I feel I have to act like a stupid annoying twat in every game otherwise I'll be obviously different and probably get killed.

In theory, players with notoriety will be killed and others will step up, gaining notoriety themselves, eventually blending everyone equally into the fabric of AYA? history. In practice it doesn't quite work out like that.

I'm going to provisionally pencil in Memento Mori's Are you a Vampire 2? for easterish next year. I'd do it over Xmas but that feels a bit soon since this one.

Bring back alt accounts.

Plus in an alt account game you get to play the fun subgame of trying to see if you can work out who is who!

One of the things I really liked about Karl's WtLM game was that as the bad guys we were account hopping between players and there was always that fear that someone would detect that the posting style of an account would have changed between days!

Memento Mori wrote:I'm going to provisionally pencil in Memento Mori's Are you a Vampire 2? for easterish next year. I'd do it over Xmas but that feels a bit soon since this one.

Bring back alt accounts.

I'd love a Christmas one as I'll have loads if time! And I don't care about it being too soon. Realise others may feel differently though!

Memento Mori wrote:I'm going to provisionally pencil in Memento Mori's Are you a Vampire 2? for easterish next year. I'd do it over Xmas but that feels a bit soon since this one.

Bring back alt accounts.

Vampbusters reunion

aayl1 wrote:

Memento Mori wrote:I'm going to provisionally pencil in Memento Mori's Are you a Vampire 2? for easterish next year. I'd do it over Xmas but that feels a bit soon since this one.

Bring back alt accounts.

I'd love a Christmas one as I'll have loads if time! And I don't care about it being too soon. Realise others may feel differently though!

Yeah a Xmas game would potentially give us all more time to focus on it but on the other hand people might prefer to spend time with their families rather than a forum game.

If people are open to it, could think about a December 17th or so launch.

Memento Mori wrote:

aayl1 wrote:

Memento Mori wrote:I'm going to provisionally pencil in Memento Mori's Are you a Vampire 2? for easterish next year. I'd do it over Xmas but that feels a bit soon since this one.

Bring back alt accounts.

I'd love a Christmas one as I'll have loads if time! And I don't care about it being too soon. Realise others may feel differently though!

Yeah a Xmas game would potentially give us all more time to focus on it but on the other hand people might prefer to spend time with their families rather than a forum game.

If people are open to it, could think about a December 17th or so launch.

We had the Grinch game last December, but I think that started a couple of weeks earlier.

Don't think there's any harm in suggesting it and seeing how many people are interested!

Id be up for playing or hosting an early December game. Would rather do early December though as activity might seriously drop off over Christmas and New Year?

One thing I'd like to point out, from the dead thread:

Herdanos wrote:One thing I've realised is that Ob Bob could be fibbing about his role as the trusted circle might be lying about who has which role, but not about the roles contained within the circle. So someone else in the circle is the Seer but Ob Bob has publicly claimed the role (knowing the real Seer won't correct him, as they're working together!) with the intention that they can somehow bait the Conformists into targeting the "wrong" person tonight.

We were planning something along those lines. But we kept second guessing (or at least I was) what the result would be of such a subterfuge. As Ob Bob mentioned, my "I know for a fact Ob Bob is good..." line was to be the start of me coming out as seer, and then the plan was scrapped, but that line was still there. It was a tense moment of figuring out how to get out of that or even if we should try, and thankfully it did work out fine by just ignoring everything. Privately, I had come to the conclusion the wolves were either not focused on the small things or overthinking things. After all, I had - right on the second day - outed myself. And it seems no-one noticed. No-one read into the fact that this:

DarkRula: You still have other memories with other people, no doubt. Even if they think you are a false lover to them.
Ob Bob: This reads like a secret message and honestly I'm confused but aroused. Tell me more.
DarkRula: No secrets involved. We all know you'll fly the sexy flag with anyone you meet up with. But are they as truthful to you as you think?

was me hinting at the fact I had tracked Ob Bob using a night action against Falsey. I'd felt that Ob Bob had got the message, so when PMs were allowed and I was brought into the Bladeforce group, I felt confident that everyone there was good. I outright said that I'd track False and reported back a negative result:

Ob Bob: I'm getting strong Alpha vibes from Falsey
DarkRula: How likely is it? And is it worth checking in case a night action gets taken?
Ob Bob: ... How would you check it?
DarkRula: Oh, I have ways. A backdoor that will let me spy on anyone.
-Next Day-
DarkRula: I cannot say whether False is good or bad. All I know is they weren't sneaking out to perform any actions.

Clearly, the wolves of the group never picked up on that or thought I was too busy bumbling around the wrong corners to be worth killing off. Ob Bob clearly understood who I was from that, since that day I'd got the seered message from Mommy. And even then, I wasn't to know Ob Bob was the seer until the day I almost made the fatal mistake during our plan to try buying Ob Bob more time.

Definitely a fun one to have seen play out.

Yeah, I said to the wolf group that is having 7 out of the smaller player base (31 was it, though obviously the first few days were going to be innocent lynchees and our kills, so it rapidly dropped), that we were going to get Seered eventually.

I said to them that though the appearance of having so many wolves out of the player list (7/31) might seem like a balance, but I think actually it made no difference. We didn't get any more kills and one a night was the same whether it was 1 or 7 wolves. We couldn't really have two kills a night anyway given the player base.

But actually 7/31 wolves (which dropped 2 players a day due to the lynch and kill) might have put us at a bit of a disadvantage in the mid-term. The Seer and ObBlov were able to set up a lot of in-thread trust early on, by getting a wolf basically as soon as PMs opened. As ObBlov said, there we known roles out there as well, so he was probably working off a list of finding 6 wolves in about maybe 15 players by the time day 3 came around. Obviously, even though he had good odds, he did great work being so accurate with the calls he made.

But getting a wolf so early, and it being likely, helped cement trust in Mommy which carried them through to the end. Had the Seer not delivered results, Mommy might not have lasted.

Ultimately that is my one niggle with the game. That our win condition was looking for 1 player on a list, whereas the human players had to find 6 players on either the same list, or actually one with fewer players (due to them knowing a few roles we didn't).