The Higher Education Megathread

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by Tell Karl his brother is dead » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:43 pm

This is technically Data Analysis revision.

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PostRe: The Higher Education Megathread
by mcjihge2 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:02 pm

Karlprof wrote:Either method of displaying the data has problems - do it by Uni and you potentially lose the progression of a person's academic career (i.e. if they did their Masters or PhD at a different place).

I suppose a solution is a redundant display of the data, that is to say have the entire entry for JV under both Newport and Plymouth. That has the problems inherent with a redundant listing but might be the best solution. I'll look into it after I'm done collecting data.


Split up JVs entry? - You could separate out JVs degrees so he has an entry for one degree at one university and an entry for his second degree at the other university, etc?

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PostRe: The Higher Education Megathread
by Qikzen » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:06 pm

Dual wrote:Haven't you got work to do?


He has his staff do it for him.

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PostRe: The Higher Education Megathread
by Tell Karl his brother is dead » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:15 pm

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Karlprof wrote:Either method of displaying the data has problems - do it by Uni and you potentially lose the progression of a person's academic career (i.e. if they did their Masters or PhD at a different place).

I suppose a solution is a redundant display of the data, that is to say have the entire entry for JV under both Newport and Plymouth. That has the problems inherent with a redundant listing but might be the best solution. I'll look into it after I'm done collecting data.


Split up JVs entry? - You could separate out JVs degrees so he has an entry for one degree at one university and an entry for his second degree at the other university, etc?


That's what I meant when I said that loses the progression of someone's academic career was a problem - it isn't immediately obvious that JV went on to do a PhD from seeing his entry under Newport.

Potentially another way to approach this would be to keep this listing, but also have a Uni -- Members list underneath.

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PostRe: The Higher Education Megathread
by kiera229 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:41 pm

1cmanny1 wrote:So what job do you want to get?

At the moment I'm looking into working in applied research (deciding whether I want to sell my soul to big pharma) or possibly science-related consulting. Academia is always a possibility but I feel like it'd be too comfortable - and my comfort zone always makes me uncomfortable.

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My course was originally meant to be three years, but research being what it is, I got zero results for the line of investigation I spent my first 9 months on and so basically had to change projects and start from scratch. Because of that, I had to extend by one year to get enough results and publish enough papers to graduate. My work was all pure research, mostly funded by the Japanese government.

Generally in Japan you spend two years on a Master's and three on a PhD.

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PostRe: The Higher Education Megathread
by JV » Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:30 am

In the UK PhDs can last from 3 or 4 years FT, up to 7 (or longer) if doing it PT. I was funded by the AHRC for three years FT, so I had a very good incentive to get it done quickly (submitted at 3 years 3 months, was happy with that). The UK research councils are setting up loads of doctoral training centres now, where typically the PhD is 4 years (first year been a research masters). It all depends on your discipline and subject at the end of the day though.

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PostRe: The Higher Education Megathread
by Dual » Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:23 pm

Just finished a piece of coursework due in this time next month - need to sort out the formatting and reference list but it's in a state where I can leave it alone now.

To hand in May 4th:

Research project (dissertation) - 6000 words
All research is done and I have started writing (a little bit) but I need to get cracking with it really.

3000 word coursework
NOT STARTED IT YET D:

You know that feeling of panic that starts in your stomach and makes you feel sick?

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PostRe: The Higher Education Megathread
by Madness » Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:29 pm

Night before job, mate.

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PostRe: The Higher Education Megathread
by Lastpostamorph » Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:00 pm

Dual wrote:Just finished a piece of coursework due in this time next month - need to sort out the formatting and reference list but it's in a state where I can leave it alone now.

To hand in May 4th:

Research project (dissertation) - 6000 words
All research is done and I have started writing (a little bit) but I need to get cracking with it really.

3000 word coursework
NOT STARTED IT YET D:

You know that feeling of panic that starts in your stomach and makes you feel sick?

3000 words? 6000 words? Oh how I yearned for the days of writing papers so short when I was in my final year.... 20,000 words for my Masters dissertation.... :|

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PostRe: The Higher Education Megathread
by 1cmanny1 » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:31 pm

20 isn't THAT bad. You have useless authors writing like 90,000.

I wouldn't like to do it though, I hate researching useless things.

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PostRe: The Higher Education Megathread
by Banjo » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:50 pm

Define useless? You've got quite the knack for sounding condescending, manny.

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PostRe: The Higher Education Megathread
by 1cmanny1 » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:53 pm

Harry Potter :roll:
Biography's about radio hosts :roll:
People who just write a book for the sake of it, and don't even publish it :roll:
Useless right?

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PostRe: The Higher Education Megathread
by Banjo » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:56 pm

I see. The way you initially phrased kinda made it look like you referring to Lagamorph's Masters dissertation as useless.

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by Saigon Slick » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:58 pm

Dual wrote:Just finished a piece of coursework due in this time next month - need to sort out the formatting and reference list but it's in a state where I can leave it alone now.

To hand in May 4th:

Research project (dissertation) - 6000 words
All research is done and I have started writing (a little bit) but I need to get cracking with it really.

3000 word coursework
NOT STARTED IT YET D:

You know that feeling of panic that starts in your stomach and makes you feel sick?


I have a 3000 word essay about dissertation sources due on Friday. Not even made an attempt to start it yet due to sorting out PhD applications. I won't panic until Friday morning though. 8-)

JV, how hard was it for you to get funding? I've applied to the AHRC but with only a 2:1 I don't think I have a chance. :(

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PostRe: The Higher Education Megathread
by Red » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:15 am

1cmanny1 wrote:People who just write a book for the sake of it, and don't even publish it :roll:


Depends how highly you rate personal satisfaction and growth I guess. Also the process of writing in order to learn and develop the skill, considering very few people just write a book straight off with no prior experience at all and get it published.

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PostRe: The Higher Education Megathread
by 1cmanny1 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:04 am

Banjo wrote:I see. The way you initially phrased kinda made it look like you referring to Lagamorph's Masters dissertation as useless.


I don't think so, I meant if a stupid people can blab on for 90k words, a smart person should be able to do 20.

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PostRe: The Higher Education Megathread
by Lastpostamorph » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:26 pm

1cmanny1 wrote:
Banjo wrote:I see. The way you initially phrased kinda made it look like you referring to Lagamorph's Masters dissertation as useless.


I don't think so, I meant if a stupid people can blab on for 90k words, a smart person should be able to do 20.

I'm considered smart :wub:

20,000 words doesn't include any appendices though.... :fp:
And when your appendix contains programming code..... :shifty:

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PostRe: The Higher Education Megathread
by Frank » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:31 pm

Lagamorph wrote:
Dual wrote:Just finished a piece of coursework due in this time next month - need to sort out the formatting and reference list but it's in a state where I can leave it alone now.

To hand in May 4th:

Research project (dissertation) - 6000 words
All research is done and I have started writing (a little bit) but I need to get cracking with it really.

3000 word coursework
NOT STARTED IT YET D:

You know that feeling of panic that starts in your stomach and makes you feel sick?

3000 words? 6000 words? Oh how I yearned for the days of writing papers so short when I was in my final year.... 20,000 words for my Masters dissertation.... :|


I'm probably going to get up to 20,000 for my dissertation :shifty: 12,000 words at the moment, and I haven't touched the final section (anaylsis, optimisation and material selections, and then the conclusions and whatnot).

What's your dissertation on, Dual?

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PostRe: The Higher Education Megathread
by Lastpostamorph » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:35 pm

Frank wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:
Dual wrote:Just finished a piece of coursework due in this time next month - need to sort out the formatting and reference list but it's in a state where I can leave it alone now.

To hand in May 4th:

Research project (dissertation) - 6000 words
All research is done and I have started writing (a little bit) but I need to get cracking with it really.

3000 word coursework
NOT STARTED IT YET D:

You know that feeling of panic that starts in your stomach and makes you feel sick?

3000 words? 6000 words? Oh how I yearned for the days of writing papers so short when I was in my final year.... 20,000 words for my Masters dissertation.... :|


I'm probably going to get up to 20,000 for my dissertation :shifty: 12,000 words at the moment, and I haven't touched the final section (anaylsis, optimisation and material selections, and then the conclusions and whatnot).

20,000 was the requirement for my dissertation. Unless you could reasonably justify under/above, your dissertation needed to fall within the 17,000-20,000 word range.
This was at Masters level mind, so the requirements were somewhat higher and stricter than Bachelors level.

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PostRe: The Higher Education Megathread
by Frank » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:38 pm

My lecturers seem quite... lenient when it comes to word counts. 10,000 is the minimum and there's no maximum, so it's effectively "just write as much as you need to to get your point across in as much detail as necessary"

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