The Higher Education Megathread

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by Green Gecko » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:37 pm

That's because there is inequality in stem subjects thanks to ingrained patriarchy in the last 100 years. It'll equal out eventually.

Is it more than 50%?
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PostRe: The Higher Education Megathread
by Fade » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:09 am

Green Gecko wrote:That's because there is inequality in stem subjects thanks to ingrained patriarchy in the last 100 years. It'll equal out eventually.

Is it more than 50%?

In all the primary schools I've worked in there has been AT MOST 1 male teacher. Out of 9 teachers.

All of the admin staff were female too.
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by Mafro » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:17 am

Fade wrote:
Green Gecko wrote:That's because there is inequality in stem subjects thanks to ingrained patriarchy in the last 100 years. It'll equal out eventually.

Is it more than 50%?

In all the primary schools I've worked in there has been AT MOST 1 male teacher. Out of 9 teachers.

All of the admin staff were female too.

In my primary school, which was the biggest one in the county, the only males working there the entire time I was there were the headteacher and the janitor.
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PostRe: The Higher Education Megathread
by Fade » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:30 am

Mafro wrote:
Fade wrote:
Green Gecko wrote:That's because there is inequality in stem subjects thanks to ingrained patriarchy in the last 100 years. It'll equal out eventually.

Is it more than 50%?

In all the primary schools I've worked in there has been AT MOST 1 male teacher. Out of 9 teachers.

All of the admin staff were female too.

In my primary school, which was the biggest one in the county, the only males working there the entire time I was there were the headteacher and the janitor.

Yeah it's pretty much the same everywhere seems like.

But I like how this is deemed personal choice and Stem fields are the patriarchy. They couldn't both possibly be personal choice could they.
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by Karl » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:38 pm

I mean, stereotypes about what men and women are respectively good at - you might call this 'the patriarchy' - are probably responsible for both the 'few women in STEM' and 'few men teaching primary school' issues.

I think it's probably true that men who want to teach primary schoolers face less discrimination while in training and then work than women who want to be scientists do - this is what justifies 'women to STEM' funds - and indeed it doesn't seem like you've faced discrimination at this point. Would you agree?

But if you ever do feel you face discrimination from women while you're training or working as a primary school teacher, you should of course document & report it and I hope it's treated as seriously as any other case of sexism in the work place would be.
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by Trelliz » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:46 pm

Karl wrote:But if you ever do feel you face discrimination from women while you're training or working as a primary school teacher, you should of course document & report it and I hope it's treated as seriously as any other case of sexism in the work place would be.


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by Karl » Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:01 pm

Trelliz wrote:
Karl wrote:But if you ever do feel you face discrimination from women while you're training or working as a primary school teacher, you should of course document & report it and I hope it's treated as seriously as any other case of sexism in the work place would be.


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Sure. But while there's still a long way to go in general, I think work environments like schools and universities are supposed to be pretty good for treating sexism quite seriously -- though it might admittedly be harder for a male to navigate that process.
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by Moggy » Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:26 pm

Karl wrote:I think it's probably true that men who want to teach primary schoolers face less discrimination while in training and then work


They probably don’t suffer much discrimination from the actual school, but I would imagine that they face quite a bit from people who will crack paedo jokes (or worse actual accusations) at them.
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by Karl » Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:35 pm

Moggy wrote:
Karl wrote:I think it's probably true that men who want to teach primary schoolers face less discrimination while in training and then work


They probably don’t suffer much discrimination from the actual school, but I would imagine that they face quite a bit from people who will crack paedo jokes (or worse actual accusations) at them.


Sure, I agree completely. There are utter twats out there who will be pretty vicious about male primary school teachers, male care workers, male paediatric nurses, etc., sometimes as absolutely shite 'banta' but (even worse) sometimes not.

Just to bring to back to Fade's point though, that's not really the kind of problem women-to-STEM funding addresses. Women-to-STEM funding primary addresses the issue that women find it more difficult to access usual funding sources because they are taken less seriously (or things like that).
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by Fade » Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:53 pm

Karl wrote:I mean, stereotypes about what men and women are respectively good at - you might call this 'the patriarchy' - are probably responsible for both the 'few women in STEM' and 'few men teaching primary school' issues.

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by Karl » Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:13 pm

I don't really get it, sorry. Is it a parody of something?
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PostRe: The Higher Education Megathread
by Rightey » Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:14 pm

Moggy wrote:
Karl wrote:I think it's probably true that men who want to teach primary schoolers face less discrimination while in training and then work


They probably don’t suffer much discrimination from the actual school, but I would imagine that they face quite a bit from people who will crack paedo jokes (or worse actual accusations) at them.


Bingo. I know a guy who works in early childhood education and he effectively cannot work with children younger than schoolagers because parents don't like the idea of a guy changing diapers and seeing their kid naked.
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by Moggy » Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:17 pm

Karl wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Karl wrote:I think it's probably true that men who want to teach primary schoolers face less discrimination while in training and then work


They probably don’t suffer much discrimination from the actual school, but I would imagine that they face quite a bit from people who will crack paedo jokes (or worse actual accusations) at them.


Sure, I agree completely. There are utter twats out there who will be pretty vicious about male primary school teachers, male care workers, male paediatric nurses, etc., sometimes as absolutely shite 'banta' but (even worse) sometimes not.

Just to bring to back to Fade's point though, that's not really the kind of problem women-to-STEM funding addresses. Women-to-STEM funding primary addresses the issue that women find it more difficult to access usual funding sources because they are taken less seriously (or things like that).


I think it is the problem actually. No male primary school teachers means that little girls don’t have scientifically minded males to look up to in their formative years. All they have are girly women telling them that they should be good little girls and only like sewing and flower arranging and not to bother their pretty little heads with complex things like manly science.

Meanwhile the boys are looking at the female teacher and are dreaming of biology, sparking an interest in the sciences that will last them a lifetime.
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PostRe: The Higher Education Megathread
by Moggy » Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:22 pm

Rightey wrote:schoolagers


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by Karl » Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:25 pm

Moggy wrote:I think it is the problem actually. No male primary school teachers means that little girls don’t have scientifically minded males to look up to in their formative years. All they have are girly women telling them that they should be good little girls and only like sewing and flower arranging and not to bother their pretty little heads with complex things like manly science.

Meanwhile the boys are looking at the female teacher and are dreaming of biology, sparking an interest in the sciences that will last them a lifetime.


:lol: It's an interesting hypothesis. Write a paper? ;)
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PostRe: The Higher Education Megathread
by Fade » Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:40 pm

Karl wrote:I don't really get it, sorry. Is it a parody of something?

No Karl it's 100% serious.
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by Karl » Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:54 pm

Fade wrote:
Karl wrote:I don't really get it, sorry. Is it a parody of something?

No Karl it's 100% serious.

No need to be rude, I just don't really understand the joke. Sorry, I guess.
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PostRe: The Higher Education Megathread
by Trelliz » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:19 pm

Karl wrote:
Fade wrote:
Karl wrote:I don't really get it, sorry. Is it a parody of something?

No Karl it's 100% serious.

No need to be rude, I just don't really understand the joke. Sorry, I guess.


The woman whose youtube channel thats from is overtly anti-third wave feminism/"sjw", so this is a weird ironic sketch about the idea of the patriarchy as a physical entity.
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PostRe: The Higher Education Megathread
by Corazon de Leon » Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:29 pm

To the PhD sorts who have written extensive literature reviews - how do you structure them? Mine is nearly 11,000 words of rambling about various sort-of-related subjects and counting at the moment.
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by Trelliz » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:15 am

Corazon de Leon wrote:To the PhD sorts who have written extensive literature reviews - how do you structure them? Mine is nearly 11,000 words of rambling about various sort-of-related subjects and counting at the moment.


My supervisor said not to put in a literature review chapter on the grounds that nobody actually reads them and you end up citing the same works in the rest of the thesis anyway.
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