The Interesting Thread 2017 - Mudlarking in the Thames

[Surfer_Pretty_Rosa]

(It was said that Warren had gagged herself, tied her feet with rope, then tied her hands behind her back and hobbled to the lake on stiletto heels to drown herself.)

Coroner code for; Am I **** calling this a suspicious death, I don't want to be next.

[Surfer_Pretty_Rosa]

January 1987: Richard Pugh, 37
--Expertise: MOD computer consultant and digital communications expert.
--Circumstance of Death: Found dead in his flat in with his feet bound and a plastic bag over his head. Rope was tied around his body, coiling four times around his neck.
--Coroner's verdict: Accident.

WTF?

Actually of course it was an accident. Clearly Richard was experimenting on how difficult it was to walk with his feet bound and, while walking, he found an empty bag on the floor [who left that there?!]

Putting it over his head [because he was carrying rope] he slipped and twirled four times before hitting the ground.

Yeah probably just some bizarre sex game. Bet he came like a strawberry floating horse.

[Alvin Flummux]

The story still amazes me. There needs to be more things from the Bible possibly found.

The Ark of the Covenant was allegedly found in a documentary about it, shown a year or two back. Turns out all the gooseberry fool about it being this spectacular gold box is just that; gooseberry fool made up by Jewish scholars based on lavish Egyptian 'arks' in existence around the same time. It was much more likely a simple war drum, according to the doc, which, over many centuries, made its way into Africa and down to Zimbabwe, where in the 13th century it accidentally caught on fire. Or something.

[False]

Im sure they found the Turin Shroud not long ago too

[mcjihge2]

Thread of the year. Keep up the good work.

[Hulohot]

The story still amazes me. There needs to be more things from the Bible possibly found.

The Ark of the Covenant was allegedly found in a documentary about it, shown a year or two back. Turns out all the **** about it being this spectacular gold box is just that; **** made up by Jewish scholars based on lavish Egyptian 'arks' in existence around the same time. It was much more likely a simple war drum, according to the doc, which, over many centuries, made its way into Africa and down to Zimbabwe, where in the 13th century it accidentally caught on fire. Or something.

I didn't know this, surely if the evidence was irrefutible then it would be a more widely known story? Any box/ boxed shape item that is old could be called the Ark. Will probably do part 8 tonight. Thanks mcjihge.

[Alvin Flummux]

The story still amazes me. There needs to be more things from the Bible possibly found.

The Ark of the Covenant was allegedly found in a documentary about it, shown a year or two back. Turns out all the **** about it being this spectacular gold box is just that; **** made up by Jewish scholars based on lavish Egyptian 'arks' in existence around the same time. It was much more likely a simple war drum, according to the doc, which, over many centuries, made its way into Africa and down to Zimbabwe, where in the 13th century it accidentally caught on fire. Or something.

I didn't know this, surely if the evidence was irrefutible then it would be a more widely known story?

Even if the evidence were irrefutable, the story of the ark has become so ingrained in Christian and Jewish mythology, it has been so built up over the centuries as this huge magical gold/wood thing, that very few people would accept it as real even if it were shoved in their faces. The reality will never live up to the legend. It just can't.

I think this is the documentary I got the info from...

[Hulohot]

Thanks, will check that out when I'm done with part 8. I'll be focusing on two subject matters, because one of them is rather morbid, juggling between two topics might lighten it up a bit.

[Hulohot]

This is a special two parter, one quite morbid and the other quite spooky (and rather well known, a lot of you will know of it already)

Part 8:

The Faces of Belmez

The Bélmez Faces or the Faces of Bélmez is a paranormal phenomenon in a private house in Spain which started in 1971 when residents claimed to see images of faces appear in the concrete floor of the house. Such images have continuously formed and disappeared on the floor of the home since that time.




The property was known to have been a graveyard in the past, so the floor was excavated in hopes of finding whatever was causing the phenomena.

Nine feet down, human remains were discovered and given a proper burial, and a new floor was installed. Two weeks later, another man's face appeared, and two weeks after that, the face of a woman surrounded by 9-15 tiny faces.






By this time, the mysterious goings on had attracted crowds of onlookers. Some of these were able to watch the faces appear before them, but there was never a consensus on their expression or meaning. Occasionally, these images would appear and then disappear within the course of a single day, others would last longer. Recordings were made in the room, and when the tapes were played back, sounds of whispering and wailing were heard on them.



The floor was torn out a number of times, but the faces returned every time it was restored. The images were scrubbed with detergent, but though the eyes widened and the expressions changed, the pictures persisted; over time, the faces seemed to age. Chemists tested samples of the cement, but found no evidence of paints or dyes.

Over the coming months the Faces of Belmez attracted a huge amount of attention but nobody was able to explain why the faces kept returning. Some believed the faces were being painted on to the floor and that the whole phenomenon was a hoax. When Maria died in 2004 a new series of faces started to appear on the floor prompting further skepticism. Two journalists published a book claiming that the faces had actually been painted by Maria's son and that there was nothing paranormal about them at all.

Sources:

http://www.thecobrasnose.com/xxghost/belmez.html
http://www.ghostsandstories.com/face-of-belmez.html
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/vi ... php?id=103


Bog Bodies

Bog bodies, also known as bog people, are preserved human bodies found in sphagnum bogs in Northern Europe, Great Britain and Ireland. Unlike most ancient human remains, bog bodies have retained their skin and internal organs due to the unusual conditions of the surrounding area. These conditions include highly acidic water, cold temperature, and a lack of oxygen, combining to preserve but severely tan their skin.



Above: The Tollund Man is probably the most well-preserved body from pre-historic times in the world. The leather cap and the leather belt were the man's only remaining clothing but around his neck was a braided leather rope tightened in a noose. The forensic examiners had no doubts when they decided on the cause of death: The Tollund Man had been hanged.

Records of such finds go back as far as the 18th century, when the Kibbelgaarn body was discovered in the Netherlands in 1791. A 1965 German study cataloged more than 1850 bog bodies found in Northern Europe



SPOILERED FOR CREEPY

Above:Yde Girl (pronounced ee-duh[1])is a bog body found in the Stijfveen peat bog near the village of Yde, Netherlands. She was found on 12 May 1897 and was reputedly uncannily well-preserved when discovered (especially her hair), but by the time the body was turned over to the authorities a fortnight later it had been severely damaged and deteriorated. (When such specimens are exposed to the normal atmosphere, they may rapidly begin to decompose. As a result, many specimens have been effectively destroyed.)



Above: The Weerdinge men were two naked bog bodies found in Drenthe, Netherlands in the southern part of Bourtanger Moor in 1904. Radiocarbon dating shows that the two likely died between ca.160 BCE to ca.220 CE. The more complete Weerdinge man had a large wound on his chest, through which his intestines spilled out. Some observers believe that this points to a ritualistic purpose for the killing. Strabo, a Roman historian, recounts tales of Iron Age Europeans attempting to divine the future by "reading entrails."




[i]Above: Clonycavan Man is the name given to a well-preserved Iron Age bog body found in Clonycavan, County Meath, Ireland in March 2003. He has been calculated to have been approximately 1.57 metres (5 ft 2 in) in height, and is remarkable for the "gel" in his hair. Clonycavan Man is believed to have been murdered - based on an examination of the evidence found on his body by the Garda Technical Bureau (Irish Police Forensic Division). His skull had been split open by a sharp implement. There is a deep wound on the top of his head, and parts of his brain have been found in this wound. Radiocarbon dating has placed his death to between 392 BC and 201 BC,[2] during the Iron Age of western Europe, making him around 2,300 years old.


Researchers discovered that conservation also required the body to be placed in the bog during the winter or early spring when the water temperature is cold—i.e., less than 4 °C (40 °F). This allows the bog acids to saturate the tissues before decay can begin. Bacteria are unable to grow rapidly enough for decomposition at temperatures under 4 °C.

Many bog bodies show signs of being stabbed, bludgeoned, hanged or strangled, or a combination of these methods. The corpses were sometimes decapitated before burial and staked down with stakes or twisted willow or hazel withies.



Above: The Grauballe Man is a bog body that was uncovered in 1952 from a peat bog near to the village of Grauballe in Jutland, Denmark. The body itself is that of an adult male dating from the late 3rd century BCE, during the early Iron Age, and he had been killed by having his throat slit open, from ear to ear.



Above: In 1859 the severed head of a female was found in Stidsholtmose in Jutland, Denmark. She was decapitated by a blow between the third and fourth vertebrae. Her hair was tied in a knot to which a woven band was fastened (this band no longer exists). The head has never been scientifically dated, and remains of the rest of the body were never found. (National Museum of Denmark, Copenhagen)



Kayhausen Boy, found in Lower Saxony, Germany, was tightly bound with garments. Strips of woolen fabric had been used to tie his arms behind his back, and a length of textile had been wound around his neck, passed between his legs and back up to his neck where the two ends had been tied. His feet were held together by a cape. He was also stabbed with a knife several times in his throat and left arm. This sinister act took place sometime in the last centuries B.C. during the Late Iron Age.

Bog Bodies of the United Kingdom:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4589638.stm


Discovered in a peat bog at Lindow Moss, Mobberley side of the border with Wilmslow, Cheshire, northwest England, the Lindow man is on display at the British Museum. The nature of his death was violent, perhaps ritualistic; after a last meal of charred bread, Lindow Man was strangled, hit on the head, and his throat was cut. His body was deposited into Lindow Moss, face down, some time during the 1st century AD. I saw it, freaky stuff.

Sources:
http://www.archaeology.org/online/featu ... ence2.html
http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/bog/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bog_body


So, does anyone live near a bog?

[Skarjo]

The faces of Belmez scared the living strawberry floating gooseberry fool out of me as a kid.

[Dblock]

Wow this thread is amazing. Mind though reading through this thread at this time is a big mistake.

Creep, scary and at the same time interesting.

Specially the Noah ark being found now.

[Surfer_Pretty_Rosa]

The Noah's Ark thing is just another hoax from evangelical Christians.

Dr. Price, who is director of the Center for Judaic Studies at the conservative Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va., was the archaeologist on the Chinese-led team in 2008 when this alleged discovery was first made. He says he has “difficulties with a number of issues related to the evidence at hand.”

Price declined to elaborate. However, a leaked email from Price – which he confirms that he wrote – shows that he has reason to believe that a group of local Kurdish men trucked wood up to the mountain and staged an elaborate hoax for the Chinese team.

A group of Kurdish workers “are said to have planted large wood beams taken from an old structure in the Black Sea area (where the photos were originally taken) at the Mt. Ararat site. … During the summer of 2009 more wood was planted inside a cave at the site. The Chinese team went in the late summer of 2009 (I was there at the time and knew about the hoax) and was shown the cave with the wood and made their film,” Price writes in the email.

Price is a longtime searcher himself for the ark. As a member of Noah’s Ark Search LLC, he had gone on a number of expeditions to Mount Ararat.

Source: http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-Issues/2010/0428/Doubt-cast-on-Noah-s-ark-found-in-Turkey

[Hulohot]

... Ouch No... Let us have just this one.

[Surfer_Pretty_Rosa]

... Ouch No... Let us have just this one.

It was very unlikely to be real because the archaeologists (if you can call them that) were working on the assumption that there once was a flood so dramatic that it could have stuck a boat 13,000 ft up a mountain. That's pretty big news. If such a flood did occur, then we would have found a record of it by now. It would have had a huge effect on the archaeological record of that period in Turkey. Also, it's pretty unlikely that a wood structure would survive 4,800 years.

[Turok]

Prototype?

[False]

Crazy floors, man.

[Hulohot]

Not part 9, just some creepy copypasta regarding a creepy lost Simpsons episode. Long but creepy read.

You know how Fox has a weird way of counting Simpsons episodes? They refuse to count a couple of them, making the amount of episodes inconsistent. The reason for this is a lost episode from season 1.

Finding details about this missing episode is difficult, no one who was working on the show at the time likes to talk about it. From what has been pieced together, the lost episode was written entirely by Matt Groening. During production of the first season, Matt started to act strangely. He was very quiet, seemed nervous and morbid. Mentioning this to anyone who was present results in them getting very angry, and forbidding you to ever mention it to Matt. I first heard of it at an event where David Silverman was speaking. Someone in the crowd asked about the episode, and Silverman simply left the stage, ending the presentation hours early. The episode's production number was 7G06, the title was Dead Bart. The episode labeled 7G06, Moaning Lisa, was made later and given Dead Bart's production code to hide the latter's existence.

In addition to getting angry, asking anyone who was on the show about this will cause them to do everything they can to stop you from directly communicating with Matt Groening. At a fan event, I managed to follow him after he spoke to the crowd, and eventually had a chance to talk to him alone as he was leaving the building. He didn't seem upset that I had followed him, probably expected a typical encounter with an obsessive fan. When I mentioned the lost episode though, all color drained from his face and he started trembling. When I asked him if he could tell me any details, he sounded like he was on the verge of tears. He grabbed a piece of paper, wrote something on it, and handed it to me. He begged me never to mention the episode again.
The piece of paper had a website address on it, I would rather not say what it was, for reasons you'll see in a second. I entered the address into my browser, and I came to a site that was completely black, except for a line of yellow text, a download link. I clicked on it, and a file started downloading. Once the file was downloaded, my computer went crazy, it was the worst virus I had ever seen. System restore didn't work, the entire computer had to be rebooted. Before doing this though, I copied the file onto a CD. I tried to open it on my now empty computer, and as I suspected, there was an episode of The Simpsons on it.

The episode started off like any other episode, but had very poor quality animation. If you've seen the original animation for Some Enchanted Evening, it was similar, but less stable. The first act was fairly normal, but the way the characters acted was a little off. Homer seemed angrier, Marge seemed depressed, Lisa seemed anxious, Bart seemed to have genuine anger and hatred for his parents.

The episode was about the Simpsons going on a plane trip, near the end of the first act, the plane was taking off. Bart was fooling around, as you'd expect. However, as the plane was about 50 feet off the ground, Bart broke a window on the plane and was sucked out.

At the beginning of the series, Matt had an idea that the animated style of the Simpsons' world represented life, and that death turned things more realistic. This was used in this episode. The picture of Bart's corpse was barely recognizable, they took full advantage of it not having to move, and made an almost photo-realistic drawing of his dead body.

Act one ended with the shot of Bart's corpse. When act two started, Homer, Marge, and Lisa were sitting at their table, crying. The crying went on and on, it got more pained, and sounded more realistic, better acting than you would think possible. The animation started to decay even more as they cried, and you could hear murmuring in the background. The characters could barely be made out, they were stretching and blurring, they looked like deformed shadows with random bright colors thrown on them. There were faces looking in the window, flashing in and out so you were never sure what they looked like. This crying went on for all of act two.

Act three opened with a title card saying one year had passed. Homer, Marge, and Lisa were skeletally thin, and still sitting at the table. There was no sign of Maggie or the pets.

They decided to visit Bart's grave. Springfield was completely deserted, and as they walked to the cemetery the houses became more and more decrepit. They all looked abandoned. When they got to the grave, Bart's body was just lying in front of his tombstone, looking just like it did at the end of act one.

The family started crying again. Eventually they stopped, and just stared at Bart's body. The camera zoomed in on Homer's face. According to summaries, Homer tells a joke at this part, but it isn't audible in the version I saw, you can't tell what Homer is saying.

The view zoomed out as the episode came to a close. The tombstones in the background had the names of every Simpsons guest star on them. Some that no one had heard of in 1989, some that haven't been on the show yet. All of them had death dates on them. For guests who died since, like Michael Jackson and George Harrison, the dates were when they would die. The credits were completely silent, and seemed handwritten. The final image was the Simpson family on their couch, like in the intros, but all drawn in hyper realistic, lifeless style of Bart's corpse.

A thought occurred to me after seeing the episode for the first time, you could try to use the tombstones to predict the death of living Simpsons guest stars, but there's something odd about most of the ones who haven't died yet. All of their deaths are listed as the same date.

I don't care if it's fake (It obviously is), it was still pretty scary.

Oh, and Suicide Mouse for those who haven't seen it.



Made by Walt Disney, lost episode from the 30's. Gets really disturbing.

[Igor]

yeah, that simpsons thing is weird..

[Alvin Flummux]

I'm scared I might have nightmares now. Scary Simpsons episode description is scary...

Alleged sound recording of the episode:

[Hulohot]

glad I didn't watch that at night. Terrifying