The Interesting Thread 2017 - Mudlarking in the Thames

[Hulohot]

Hello everybody, it's been a while. Thanks for the bump mas22, so here have something fascinating!

This topic is of particular interest to me, as I went there back in 2010, poking around every corner and crevice taking pictures.

A FRENCH-PERUVIAN-SPANISH TEAM DISCOVERS A CHAMBER IN MACHU PICCHU



FOR MORE THAN FIFTEEN YEARS, THIERRY JAMIN, FRENCH ARCHAEOLOGIST AND ADVENTURER, EXPLORES THE JUNGLES OF SOUTH PERU IN EVERY POSSIBLE DIRECTION, SEARCHING FOR CLUES OF THE PERMANENT PRESENCE OF THE INCAS IN THE AMAZONIAN FOREST, AND THE LEGENDARY LOST CITY OF PAITITI. (see next entry)

A few months ago, Thierry Jamin and his team think they have realized an extraordinary archaeological discovery in the Inca city discovered by Hiram Bingham in 1911. This discovery was made possible thanks to the testimony of a French engineer who lives in Barcelona-Spain, David Crespy. In 2010, while he was visiting the lost city, David Crespy noticed the presence of a strange “shelter” located in the heart of the city, at the bottom of one of the main buildings.


Note from Hulohot:

At this point I reviewed a lot of the pictures and videos I took looking for this "shelter" at the bottom of a main building in the hopes of accidentally having a picture of it. I didn't find one, but here is an interesting picture I did take:


A zoom shot. Going by the rock type compared to the rest around it, could this little cave be intentional?



Above: Thierry Jamin, French explorer of Peru.

For him, there was no doubt about it, he was looking at a “door”, an entrance sealed by the Incas.

His preliminary findings are unequivocal: it is indeed an entrance, blocked by the Incas at an undetermined moment of History. This one is strangely similar to a burial site, such as the ones Thierry Jamin and his companions often find in the valleys of Lacco and Chunchusmayo.

In order to confirm the existence of cavities in the basement of the building, in December 2011 Thierry and his team submit and official request to the Ministry of Culture in Lima, to perform a geophysical survey with the help of electromagnetic (EM) conductivity instruments. This license was granted a few months later.

Realized between April 9th and April 12th 2012, the electromagnetic survey not only confirmed the presence of an underground room but several! [b]Just Behind the famous entrance, a staircase was also discovered. The two main paths seem to lead to specific chambers, including to the main squared one. The different techniques used by the French researcher(s), (Molecular Frequencies Discriminator) allowed them to highlight the presence of important archaeological material, including deposits of metal and a large quantity of gold and silver![/b]


Above: I suspect this is the "famous entrance" the above passage mentions so could be the rough area this chamber has been found.


Thierry Jamin is now preparing the next step: the opening of the entrance sealed by the Incas more than five centuries ago. On May 22nd 2012, he officially submitted a request for authorization to the Peruvian authorities which would allow his team to proceed with the opening of the burial chambers.

As of today, they still have not had permission from the Peruvian authorities to open the chamber, though something that is of this potential magnitude may take some time and negotiation.

http://www.heritagedaily.com/2013/01/a- ... hu-picchu/



The Lost City of Paititi


It is one of the most fascinating stories of the Inca mythology and is one of the biggest archaeological enigmas of South America.

A legendary, immense city lost somewhere in the Peruvian rainforests that has been hunted for over a century.



"Paititi is a legendary Inca lost city or utopian rich land said to lie east of the Andes, hidden somewhere within the remote rainforests of southeast Peru, northern Bolivia or southwest Brazil. The Paititi legend in Peru revolves around the story of the culture-hero Inkarri, who, after he had founded Q'ero and Cusco, retreated toward the jungles of Pantiacolla to live out the rest of his days in his refuge city of Paititi. Other versions of the legend see Paititi as an Inca refuge in the border area between Bolivia and Brazil."



What is the culture-hero Inkarri? When the Spanish conquistadores tortured and executed the last ruler of the Inca people, Atahualpa, he vowed that he would come back one day to avenge his death. According to the legend, the Spaniards buried his body parts in several places around the kingdom: His head is said to rest under the Presidential Palace in Lima, while his arms are said to be under the Waqaypata (Square of tears) in Cuzco and his legs in Ayacucho. Buried under the earth he will grow until one day, when he will rise, take back his kingdom and restore harmony in the relationship between Pachamama (the earth) and her sons.





In 2001, the Italian archaeologist Mario Polia discovered the report of the missionary Andres Lopez in the archives of the Jesuits in Rome.

In the document, which dates from about 1600, Lopez describes a large city rich in gold, silver and jewels, located in the middle of the tropical jungle called Paititi by the natives. Lopez informed the Pope about his discovery. Conspiracy theories maintain that the Vatican has kept Paititi's location secret for its own reasons. Lopez' report and its discovery were widely publicized, though its content is third-hand and far from reliable, Lopez himself having never reached Paititi but only having heard about it from the natives.

It focuses on the story of a miracle performed at the court of the king of Paititi by a crucifix taken there by a group of baptized Indians. Many other historical sources of the Colonial period (16th to 18th centuries) refer to Paititi, to its possible locations and to expeditions searching for it.

It is said that Inkarri built the city of Paititi.

1971: A French-American expedition led by Bob Nichols, Serge Debru, and Georges Puel travelled up the Rio Pantiacolla from Shintuya in search of Paititi. The party's guides left after a 30 day agreement expired, and though the three continued on, they never returned. Japanese explorer Yoshiharu Sekino contacted Machiguenga Indians in the area the following year and confirmed that the expedition members had been killed.

1997 Lars Hafskjold set out from Puerto Maldonado, Madre de Dios, Peru. He disappeared somewhere in the unexplored parts of Bolivia.

2005 The French explorer Thierry Jamin and the French-Peruvian Herbert Cartagena studied Pusharo petroglyphs and reported to have seen large geoglyphs in a valley nearby. They thought they might have found a "map" showing where Paititi might be located. Further expeditions were set up in the following years.

2008 An undocumented fortress was discovered "guarding" the jungles of Callanga to the northeast. Covering an area of 40,000 square meters; they named it the Manco Pata fortress.

The lost Inca city of gold may be out in the jungles, overgrown and lost to nature never to be found.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-t ... l-14387741
http://www.granpaititi.com/paititi-eldo ... i-121.html

[1cmanny1]

[Hulohot]

So sad, why is England so uninteresting?!

[Qikz]

:lol: So sad, why is England so uninteresting?!

not sure if srs.

Our country has possibly one of the richest histories in the entire world.

We pretty much helped shape the world as it is today, through good and bad means.

[Skarjo]

Gotten to.

[Hulohot]

:lol: So sad, why is England so uninteresting?!

not sure if srs.

Our country has possibly one of the richest histories in the entire world.

We pretty much helped shape the world as it is today, through good and bad means.

But when you compare it to the South American tales of lost cities, and magnificent ruins with hidden treasure doors, England does feel a bit boring.

[abcd]

:lol: So sad, why is England so uninteresting?!

not sure if srs.

Our country has possibly one of the richest histories in the entire world.

We pretty much helped shape the world as it is today, through good and bad means.

But when you compare it to the South American tales of lost cities, and magnificent ruins with hidden treasure doors, England does feel a bit boring.

I dunno....a night out in Liverpool is always interesting.

[Poser]

The interesting thread is back! It's my favourite.

*Does a little dance*

[Qikz]

:lol: So sad, why is England so uninteresting?!

not sure if srs.

Our country has possibly one of the richest histories in the entire world.

We pretty much helped shape the world as it is today, through good and bad means.

But when you compare it to the South American tales of lost cities, and magnificent ruins with hidden treasure doors, England does feel a bit boring.

There's lost cities in England as well, not any super famous ones but apparently where the water levels have risen a lot of places that used to be inhabited in the UK are now totally underwater or destroyed by eroding cliffs. Infact, the same could be said anywhere in the world. :p

[1cmanny1]

Yeah, but that isn't the point. You can't find a lost city of gold in the jungle in the UK.

[Victor Mildew]

Yeah, but that isn't the point. You can't find a lost city of gold in the jungle in the UK.

you can't find one in NZ either, doesn't mean its not exciting

It depends entirely on your interests, for example the following things are all within a short walk of me in my town:

Glastonbury Abbey - A ruined abbey frequently associated with the legend of King Arthur
Glastonbury Tor - Believed by some to be the Avalon of Arthurian legend
The holy thorn - Supposedly sprouted form the staff of Joseph of Arimathea when he arrived with Jesus (if you believe that rubbish)

[Skarjo]

Yeah, but that isn't the point. You can't find a lost city of gold in the jungle in the UK.

You can try and find all the gold that all those african and south american tribes 'lost' and we found and killed them.

Or you try and find something really difficult like a virgin in Newcastle.

[1cmanny1]

Yeah, but that isn't the point. You can't find a lost city of gold in the jungle in the UK.

you can't find one in NZ either, doesn't mean its not exciting

It depends entirely on your interests, for example the following things are all within a short walk of me in my town:

Glastonbury Abbey - A ruined abbey frequently associated with the legend of King Arthur
Glastonbury Tor - Believed by some to be the Avalon of Arthurian legend
The holy thorn - Supposedly sprouted form the staff of Joseph of Arimathea when he arrived with Jesus (if you believe that rubbish)

Your words

[Victor Mildew]

Bugger off to Pak 'n' Save and eat some hokey pokey.

[Hulohot]

I want to go find me some lost council estates. Any ideas where to start?

[1cmanny1]

Bugger off to Pak 'n' Save and eat some hokey pokey.

And some vanilla coke

[Victor Mildew]

Oh yeah, I lived off that gooseberry fool while backpacking.

[1cmanny1]

:lol: Oh yeah, I lived off that gooseberry fool while backpacking.

What did you actually do? NZ is boring as gooseberry fool tbh (don't tell anyone else)

[1cmanny1]

I saw these on Neogaf, it looks like something out of a greek god film.

Photographer Martin Rietze recently traveled to Japan where he had the incredible opportunity (or near grave misfortune?) of photographing the Sakurajima Valcano in southern Kyushu as it spewed forth smoke, fire, and lava bombs. If that wasn’t enough the hellish volcano also caused a lightning show that lasted over 20 seconds giving the photographer ample time to flee for his life take these stunning photographs. You can see many more images from the series right here. Of note, the photographer’s grit and fearlessness landed the top photo a feature on NASA’s Astronomy Picture of the Day earlier this week. (via spoon & tamago)

Explanation: Why does a volcanic eruption sometimes create lightning? Pictured above, the Sakurajima volcano in southern Japan was caught erupting in early January. Magma bubbles so hot they glow shoot away as liquid rock bursts through the Earth's surface from below. The above image is particularly notable, however, for the lightning bolts caught near the volcano's summit. Why lightning occurs even in common thunderstorms remains a topic of research, and the cause of volcanic lightning is even less clear. Surely, lightning bolts help quench areas of opposite but separated electric charges. One hypothesis holds that catapulting magma bubbles or volcanic ash are themselves electrically charged, and by their motion create these separated areas. Other volcanic lightning episodes may be facilitated by charge-inducing collisions in volcanic dust. Lightning is usually occurring somewhere on Earth, typically over 40 times each second.

http://www.mrietze.com/web13/japan13.htm

[Hulohot]

Nice pictures Blew its load with the force of an angry god.