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Re: The John Terry trial thread - verdict due 2pm on Friday
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:38 pm
by Photek
TigaSefi wrote:See two post above you... The entire UK would be prisoned
ie. lots of "he said that, she said this" etc.....
also really the FA should have had balls in the first place and dished out the same treatment and procedure Suarez got.
But Terry's English.
Re: The John Terry trial thread - verdict due 2pm on Friday
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:40 pm
by Photek
Moggy wrote:If he is found not guilty, the FA will do nothing. And rightly so.
If he is found guilty, I hope for a lengthy ban. And rightly so.
Suarez case wouldn't have been admissible in court let alone heard, so how come terry gets off from the FA?
Re: The John Terry trial thread - Not Guilty
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:41 pm
by Photek
Scotticus Erroticus wrote:I don't think he's a racist.
That's not the issue.
Re: The John Terry trial thread - Not Guilty
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:41 pm
by Psychic
IIRC, the FA can't do anything while it was a police matter. Since there's no charge to answer for, it's unlikely they'll follow this up imo.
Re: The John Terry trial thread - Not Guilty
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:44 pm
by SEP
Cal wrote:Somebody Else's Problem wrote:What a completely despicable banana split. The amount of gooseberry fool he gets away with because he happens to be a footballer is ridiculous.
On the other hand, I'm glad it's all over. I was never convinced Terry was guilty of being racist and I'm satisfied he's proved his innocence. I won't pretend casual racism doesn't exist in football; we all know it does at whatever level, but in this case, given the support he's been given by those acting as character witnesses I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, rather like the Court decided to. At the very worst, he's shown contrition and expressed his abhorrence of racism in a public forum. Now the rest is up to him.
That's strange, you're normally very "anti-rich-people-getting-away-with-stuff".
Re: The John Terry trial thread - Not Guilty
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:45 pm
by Eighthours
degoose wrote:a bit surprised everyone thinks this is a joke, nobody heard terry swear at ferdinand, even ferdinand didnt hear it and wasnt aware until later that something might have been said. Plus also it was found out that basically ferdinand had been having a dig at Terry in the same match. In all honesty there was no decent proof.
By the way i am not a chelsea fan , actually a spurs fan but also i don't know John Terry so really can't judge him like it seems many of you can without ever meeting him.
I think that JT's history is plenty enough for us to judge his worth as a human being.
There was the certain little matter of video evidence. I presume that Atreyu can come on and enlighten us about burden of proof and all that. JT was so obviously guilty - I don't think he's a racist, but he was definitely using racist language in an insulting manner.
Re: The John Terry trial thread - Not Guilty
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:48 pm
by SpaceJebus
PsychicSykes wrote:IIRC, the FA can't do anything while it was a police matter. Since there's no charge to answer for, it's unlikely they'll follow this up imo.
There could still be a charge to answer for though as they would be different proceedings, charges and disciplinary hearings. That said they have been handed their get out of jail free card and spineless as they usually are, will use it.
Re: The John Terry trial thread - Not Guilty
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:50 pm
by Eighthours
SpaceJebus wrote:PsychicSykes wrote:IIRC, the FA can't do anything while it was a police matter. Since there's no charge to answer for, it's unlikely they'll follow this up imo.
There could still be a charge to answer for though as they would be different proceedings, charges and disciplinary hearings. That said they have been handed their get out of jail free card and spineless as they usually are, will use it.
Sadly, I think you're right.
Re: The John Terry trial thread - Not Guilty
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:57 pm
by Cal
Somebody Else's Problem wrote:Cal wrote:Somebody Else's Problem wrote:What a completely despicable banana split. The amount of gooseberry fool he gets away with because he happens to be a footballer is ridiculous.
On the other hand, I'm glad it's all over. I was never convinced Terry was guilty of being racist and I'm satisfied he's proved his innocence. I won't pretend casual racism doesn't exist in football; we all know it does at whatever level, but in this case, given the support he's been given by those acting as character witnesses I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, rather like the Court decided to. At the very worst, he's shown contrition and expressed his abhorrence of racism in a public forum. Now the rest is up to him.
That's strange, you're normally very "anti-rich-people-getting-away-with-stuff".
True, and I certainly have no love for the general 'rich footballer 'preening diva'' mentality, but in this case I just found the whiff of a politically-correct media-led witchunt a bit too distasteful. Terry might well have said something foolish; apparently there's even video evidence he did, but I don't consider his emotional outburst a good case for ruining his career.
Re: The John Terry trial thread - Not Guilty
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:07 pm
by Jamo3103
I don't think that John Terry is a racist, but I do think he was guilty on the count of directing a racist term at Anton Ferdinand (More out of his own ignorance than anything) and I think the verdict is frankly ridiculous.
It would be hoped now that the FA deal with it in the same way they dealt with Suarez, as it is a similar incident with even more evidence behind it. Unfortunately I don't think there's much chance of that happening in light of the verdict today, despite the criterias for proof being entirely different.
I personally can't help but feel that if it had been another footballer who does not get the media-love in that John Terry does then it would have been an entirely different outcome. Let's say for example Joey Barton was at the centre of it.
At the end of the day John Terry is an utterly detestable human being, a really nasty piece of work off the pitch and an awful representative of his club and country, I look forward to the day karma catches up with him.
Re: The John Terry trial thread - Not Guilty
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:10 pm
by Venom
So normally when there is a accusation of racism there is always the element of doubt of whether something racist was actually said. But in this instance John Terry said a racist insult, was filmed saying a
racist insult, admitted saying a
racist insult, but his excuse was that he only said a
racist insult because he thought somebody said it to him, and he repeated it back as question because he was puzzled by it?! And he is found NOT guilty!
. strawberry float me he had some ballsy evil genius lawyers.
I don't want to make generalisations but John Terry epitomises a type of man that this country has that feel they have more of a right to live in this country than other British citizens. A type who carry with them a sense of entitlement and feel they can make certain 'jokey' comments to upset others.
The legacy of Ashley Cole's actions, speaking up for Terry, will help to make casual racist abuse more acceptable. Because for those who hold racist opinions they will now believe that if Ashley Cole 'didn't seem to mind about Terry's words, then they are not so bad after all.'
Re: The John Terry trial thread - verdict due 2pm on Friday
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:21 pm
by DML
Photek wrote:Moggy wrote:If he is found not guilty, the FA will do nothing. And rightly so.
If he is found guilty, I hope for a lengthy ban. And rightly so.
Suarez case wouldn't have been admissible in court let alone heard, so how come terry gets off from the FA?
Hes been found not guilty by the law of the country, what do expect them to do? Go against that? Its an unfortunate circumstance of the law getting involved in the case.
Re: The John Terry trial thread - Not Guilty
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:23 pm
by Eighthours
I've now read the full judgement. Terry was acquitted because of reasonable doubt, not because the judge felt he was innocent. The prosecution didn't do a good enough job - it's very clear that the judge didn't believe Terry's explanation for why he said the offending words.
Re: The John Terry trial thread - Not Guilty
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:41 pm
by Moggy
I hate John Terry and think he was actually guilty here. But, the court has found him not guilty and as such the matter should be laid to rest.
It will probably only be a few games into the next season before he does something ban worthy and the FA can punish him then.
Re: The John Terry trial thread - Not Guilty
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:45 pm
by Monkey Man
The FA says it will 'seek to conclude its own inquiry' into John Terry racism allegations after today's court case.
The FA has said its inquiry into the incident will resume next week.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18827915
John Terry trial thread - Not Guilty/FA inquiry next week
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:30 pm
by Ste
I seem to be missing something here.
When did Terry admit he CALLED Ferdinand what was alleged?
My understanding is that he asked Ferdinand "Do you think I've just called you a ....."
While clearly this seems unlikely, it's not racist and unless the CPS had a couple of witnesses to confirm he said it in the way alleged they were never going to prove it "beyond reasonable doubt" - the standard required.
They didn't therefore this should never have got to court.
Re: The John Terry trial thread - verdict due 2pm on Friday
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:37 pm
by Saint of Killers
Photek wrote:TigaSefi wrote:See two post above you... The entire UK would be prisoned
ie. lots of "he said that, she said this" etc.....
also really the FA should have had balls in the first place and dished out the same treatment and procedure Suarez got.
But Terry's English.
And the two of you are seemingly incapable of understanding the reason behind why the F.A. couldn't act on the matter. No big surprise there though.
Did the judge say *why* it was unlikely for Terry to have said what he was accused of saying?
Re: John Terry trial thread - Not Guilty/FA inquiry next wee
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:42 pm
by Eighthours
ScouseStevmed wrote:My understanding is that he asked Ferdinand "Do you think I've just called you a ....."
Not quite. It all hangs on whether you believe there was a full stop or a question mark. Observe:
The Guardian wrote:Terry was in court because, by his own admission, he had used the words "strawberry float off, strawberry float off … strawberry floating black banana split, strawberry floating nobhead" during a row with Anton Ferdinand when Chelsea played at QPR last October. Except Terry's argument was that he actually said "strawberry float off, strawberry float off … strawberry floating black banana split? strawberry floating nobhead." It was all about that question mark, Terry argued – "sarcastic exclamation", in shocked response to being accused of racism.
John Terry trial thread - Not Guilty/FA inquiry next week
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:01 pm
by Ste
Eighthours wrote:Not quite. It all hangs on whether you believe there was a full stop or a question mark. Observe:
The Guardian wrote:Terry was in court because, by his own admission, he had used the words "strawberry float off, strawberry float off … strawberry floating black banana split, strawberry floating nobhead" during a row with Anton Ferdinand when Chelsea played at QPR last October. Except Terry's argument was that he actually said "strawberry float off, strawberry float off … strawberry floating black banana split? strawberry floating nobhead." It was all about that question mark, Terry argued – "sarcastic exclamation", in shocked response to being accused of racism.
Ok, right, I wasn't aware of that.
But still, from the outset, Terry's position was that he said the words but in the context he was questioning whether Ferdinand had thought he'd said that. Without reliable witnesses to confirm what he said Terry was never going to be convicted.
Re: John Terry trial thread - Not Guilty/FA inquiry next wee
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:06 pm
by Eighthours
This is the first time I've ever complained to the BBC.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18827915In his written judgement, he (the judge) said that after weighing the evidence it was "highly unlikely" that Mr Terry abused Mr Ferdinand in the manner he was accused of.
The actual judgement text:
Weighing all the evidence together, I think it is highly unlikely that Mr
Ferdinand accused Mr Terry on the pitch of calling him a black banana split.
This is one of the most stupid factual errors I have EVER SEEN in an article, and it changes the whole meaning of the paragraph in a massively misleading way. Actual rage.