speedboatchase wrote:Eh? I literally said nothing about what happens. Will put on a spoiler tag anywho.
Don't be silly, that heavily implies what's going to happen. It shouldn't even be in a spoiler.
I don't know why people just can't help themselves.
Gamers are going to be watching this with non-gamers. I think for many people who played it, there is an interest in seeing others reacting to major plot elements. Such as eh, a finale. You are being very, very soft.
speedboatchase wrote:Eh? I literally said nothing about what happens. Will put on a spoiler tag anywho.
Don't be silly, that heavily implies what's going to happen. It shouldn't even be in a spoiler.
I don't know why people just can't help themselves.
Gamers are going to be watching this with non-gamers. I think for many people who played it, there is an interest in seeing others reacting to major plot elements. Such as eh, a finale. You are being very, very soft.
It's a thread about a TV show, outside of the main games subforum and literally says "TV Show" in the thread title. Why would you talk about the game in here and why would you heavily hint at what the ending is likely to be like?
Is it really so shocking that there would be people here who haven't played the game and just want to enjoy/talk about the show? Your post would have been fine in the game thread, it's annoying in here.
speedboatchase wrote:Eh? I literally said nothing about what happens. Will put on a spoiler tag anywho.
Don't be silly, that heavily implies what's going to happen. It shouldn't even be in a spoiler.
I don't know why people just can't help themselves.
Gamers are going to be watching this with non-gamers. I think for many people who played it, there is an interest in seeing others reacting to major plot elements. Such as eh, a finale. You are being very, very soft.
Eh, I think you set some expectations with your post which may have non-gamers second guessing where they think the show is going. I can see why people are annoyed with it.
Captain Kinopio wrote:Why would you talk about the source material the TV show is adapted from.
Ludicrous.
Yeah it's ludicrous for people who haven't played the game to want to talk about the show in the TV Thread. What idiots they are to expect the thread to move at the TV pace and not be full of spoilers from the games.
Saying "in the game Joel grew wings and flew Ellie to safety " is fine as long as it's clearly marked as a game spoiler. Although it's beyond me why the game stuff can't go in the game thread.
Saying "and at the end of the game it turns out it was like the "it's all a dream" bit in Dallas!" is banana splitish.
Captain Kinopio wrote:Why would you talk about the source material the TV show is adapted from.
Ludicrous.
Yeah it's ludicrous for people who haven't played the game to want to talk about the show in the TV Thread. What idiots they are to expect the thread to move at the TV pace and not be full of spoilers from the games.
Saying "in the game Joel grew wings and flew Ellie to safety " is fine as long as it's clearly marked as a game spoiler. Although it's beyond me why the game stuff can't go in the game thread.
Saying "and at the end of the game it turns out it was like the "it's all a dream" bit in Dallas!" is banana splitish.
Tell me the exact spoiler of the game that I gave.
Captain Kinopio wrote:Why would you talk about the source material the TV show is adapted from.
Ludicrous.
Yeah it's ludicrous for people who haven't played the game to want to talk about the show in the TV Thread. What idiots they are to expect the thread to move at the TV pace and not be full of spoilers from the games.
Saying "in the game Joel grew wings and flew Ellie to safety " is fine as long as it's clearly marked as a game spoiler. Although it's beyond me why the game stuff can't go in the game thread.
Saying "and at the end of the game it turns out it was like the "it's all a dream" bit in Dallas!" is banana splitish.
Tell me the exact spoiler of the game that I gave.
I haven't played much of the game, how the strawberry float would I know if what you said was an exact spoiler?
Saying it is much like the red wedding is heavily hinting at something happening at the end of the season. If it is exactly like the red wedding then you've spoiled it. If it isn't much like that, but is a big show changing event, then you've spoiled that. If it is nothing at all like it, then you've still spoiled the end by building up something that doesn't happen.
Talk about the game if you want, this thread is pointless for people that haven't played all of both games, so I'm out of it.
Captain Kinopio wrote:Why would you talk about the source material the TV show is adapted from.
Ludicrous.
Yeah it's ludicrous for people who haven't played the game to want to talk about the show in the TV Thread. What idiots they are to expect the thread to move at the TV pace and not be full of spoilers from the games.
Saying "in the game Joel grew wings and flew Ellie to safety " is fine as long as it's clearly marked as a game spoiler. Although it's beyond me why the game stuff can't go in the game thread.
Saying "and at the end of the game it turns out it was like the "it's all a dream" bit in Dallas!" is banana splitish.
Tell me the exact spoiler of the game that I gave.
I haven't played much of the game, how the strawberry float would I know if what you said was an exact spoiler?
Saying it is much like the red wedding is heavily hinting at something happening at the end of the season. If it is exactly like the red wedding then you've spoiled it. If it isn't much like that, but is a big show changing event, then you've spoiled that. If it is nothing at all like it, then you've still spoiled the end by building up something that doesn't happen.
Talk about the game if you want, this thread is pointless for people that haven't played all of both games, so I'm out of it.
”hinting at something happening at the end of the season”
Amazing. God forbid. Back to the fainting couch for you then.
I'm not sure why you are being such a dick about this when people are telling you what you've said is going to affect their enjoyment of the episode.
If you actually want specific details you can poke fun at as well, don't click this if you haven't played the game:
Can you not see that specifically referencing the Red Wedding, and talking about how crazily shocked everyone is going to be, is going to have people thinking down a very certain track? If I'd read that without playing the games I'd definitely be expecting Joel or Ellie or both to die in the episode, and I'd spend the whole episode expecting it. And at the end I wouldn't think "oh that wasn't a spoiler after all" I'd just be annoyed that I'd been distracted by that idea the whole damn time.
sawyerpip wrote:I'm not sure why you are being such a dick about this when people are telling you what you've said is going to affect their enjoyment of the episode.
If you actually want specific details you can poke fun at as well, don't click this if you haven't played the game:
Can you not see that specifically referencing the Red Wedding, and talking about how crazily shocked everyone is going to be, is going to have people thinking down a very certain track? If I'd read that without playing the games I'd definitely be expecting Joel or Ellie or both to die in the episode, and I'd spend the whole episode expecting it. And at the end I wouldn't think "oh that wasn't a spoiler after all" I'd just be annoyed that I'd been distracted by that idea the whole damn time.
I disagree. Something big happening in the season finale of a TV adaptation is expected. I used the Red Wedding as an analogue for potential impact, considering they're both HBO shows with huge audiences. How people react or read into that is beyond my control. In any case, the spoiler tags were applied about 2 mins after my post. And life goes on.
speedboatchase doesn’t believe he’s done anything wrong here because he hasn’t, but you’d only know that if you’d played the game.
This post doesn’t contain spoilers, but an explanation of why there have or haven’t been spoilers posted which you might be crazy enough to think is, in and of itself, a spoiler so reveal the above and below at your leisure
The game is famed for its impactful opening and ending. The Red Wedding analogy extends only as far as an audience knowing what’s coming watching along with an audience that doesn’t as a striking bit of storytelling unfolds. Probably a poor choice of comparison because it comes with the weight of the literal events of the Red Wedding.
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sawyerpip wrote:I'm not sure why you are being such a dick about this when people are telling you what you've said is going to affect their enjoyment of the episode.
If you actually want specific details you can poke fun at as well, don't click this if you haven't played the game:
Can you not see that specifically referencing the Red Wedding, and talking about how crazily shocked everyone is going to be, is going to have people thinking down a very certain track? If I'd read that without playing the games I'd definitely be expecting Joel or Ellie or both to die in the episode, and I'd spend the whole episode expecting it. And at the end I wouldn't think "oh that wasn't a spoiler after all" I'd just be annoyed that I'd been distracted by that idea the whole damn time.
I disagree. Something big happening in the season finale of a TV adaptation is expected. I used the Red Wedding as an analogue for potential impact, considering they're both HBO shows with huge audiences. How people react or read into that is beyond my control. In any case, the spoiler tags were applied about 2 mins after my post. And life goes on.
The Red Wedding doesn't imply something "big", it implies something shocking. It's more akin to telling someone there's a big twist in a film before they watch it.
In Speed's defence, he didn't say that the ending was actually similar to the Red Wedding (and I'm not saying that the next episode will or won't feature a scene similar in content, tone, narrative consequence or whatever), he said that people familiar with the source material would be watching the reactions of people who weren't.
I don't think 'Season Finale has noteworthy development' is really a spoiler.
I never read the Walking Dead comic but if before a season finale I read that 'Comic readers will be watching Show Watcher's reactions!' I wouldn't consider that a particularly important spoiler beyond 'Something happens in the finale' which... I mean... Yea? It's the finale. Things usually happen in season finales.
jiggles wrote:What part of the game does episode 4 cover up to? I’m playing alongside and trying to keep pace where I’m just ahead of the show.
That is such a cool way experiencing the game and TV show - have you been keeping this up.
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Still in love with this show. Finished episode 6 - there are two new episodes sat there waiting for me but I've episode 3 (The Billand Frankepisode) 3 times . My favourite individual episode of anything since better call saul
Washington Post wrote:But however revolutionary their deaths might be for the universe of “The Last of Us,” they still fall into well-worn gay death tropes. It seems that Bill is older than Frank, but Frank succumbs to an unspecified illness and ends up infirm, which ultimately prompts his suicide. If you grew up queer in the 80s and 90s, the image of one gay man pushing another in a wheelchair might look fiercely familiar from the early days of the AIDS crisis and the storytelling that came out of it. Many cis gay men of my generation believed this kind of death was inevitable, that they would die tended to by a lover or they would be the widower left behind. (Bill and Frank’s last day together in particular reminded me of the 1996 film “It’s My Party,” in which an HIV-positive man throws a party before killing himself.) Bill rebels against this trope by dying alongside Frank, but as I watched (and cried) as Bill wheeled Frank around their house and handed him his pills, I thought of how many times I had seen this scene in other movies and television. I wondered why the show’s creators chose to have Frank sicken to lead to Bill and Frank’s deaths when one or both of their ages could have been the inciting factor.
In the time in which they’re shown alive, they also exist as the only two queer people in their world. At one point they argue over having friends, a fight Frank wins by inviting over Joel and Tess, a straight couple. The viewer never sees if they have queer friends, or if they did before. This is, of course, explainable: Bill is a loner by nature, plus there’s the whole apocalypse thing, but the lone queer or isolated couple is another trope I’ve seen in media depictions. While no relationships end happily per se in “The Last of Us,” queer lives are always lonely.
The author seems to be alluding to the "bury your gays" a trope in literature that goes back hundreds of years (gay people that die being presented as tragic figures or in the worst cases as punishment for being gay). If anything the episode subverts this trope - they got the best deaths possible within the context of this show - dying old[ish], content and in love after a long, happy committed relationship.
Another interesting write up exploring similar themes and discusses queer representation in love stories from Owen Jones makes a similar but different observation about that scene evoking the HIV/AIDs pandemic; https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -tv-series