The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (suzz :wub:s it <3)

BaronZemo wrote:One Word: Rubbish

One Word: Wrong

Love Majora's Mask.

It fixed all the shitty stuff in OOT that annoyed the hell out of me. And it had a much better story, bigger world, better graphics etc. And so deeeeep.

One of my top games of all time.

mokeyjoe wrote:It fixed all the shitty stuff in OOT that annoyed the hell out of me. And it had a much better story, bigger world, better graphics etc. And so deeeeep.

I think Majora's Masks biggest weaknesses are exactly Ocarina of Times strengths. Only 4 major temples in Majora's Mask compared to 9 in Ocarina of Time. Majora's Mask introduced a brand new fresh story, while OOT built on previous stories and well known characters. There was basically no Zelda in MM either, just a 30second cameo early in the game.

I think overal OOT was definately the better game, but MM at times takes undeserving heat when compared to OOT. I think it mostly has to do with the fact that OOT was released first. While it wouldn't make sense to go from MM to OOT as it would be regression, OOT was just a huge step forward from previous Zelda titles and in comparison MM was just a small step forward. It was the same game engine, just all as young link, new story, and several new gameplay aspects.

Both enjoyable and still worth playing today, but my pick out of these two would be Ocarina of Time.

Oh spare me your tired internet memes.

I remember how disappointed I was after all the hype when I finally got Ocarina of Time home and began playing it. Now don't get me wrong it did grow on me and there were some truly magical moments - but overall it wasn't as good as I had expected it to be.

Why?

Well, thinking back:

1. Graphics: Fuzzy, poor framerate, murky. Just some of my first impressions.

2. Horrible, horrible blurry-as-fuck 2d backdrops to some areas. This gave it a really ugly, unfinished feeling. Especially galling in the main square of Hyrule Castle Town. I was mortified.

3. Smallness. The whole overworld just felt like a series of medium sized outdoor 'rooms. Hyrule field was empty and sparse. The lake was mostly inaccessible. I remember seeing screenshots in Edge of the mountains in the background and thinking I could explore all over the world". Nope, they were just lo-res 2d backdrops.

4. Messed up difficulty curve. The game was fine at the start, but after the second temple i (the Water temple) is just became ridiculously easy. I got through the rest of the game in 2 afternoons, this seriously ate into the 'epic' feel. What's the use of all those temples if they only take an hour to breeze through by the end?

And there are other niggles I had, but it's been a long time.

All of the above points, and more, are completely resolved in Majora's Mask. That and there's tons more to do, it is a much bigger game in scope and scale.

As for the lack of Zelda - thank God. That cheesy old save the Princess cliché was well past its sell by date over a decade ago.

Yeah, I realise this is some kind of gaming blasphemy I'm committing here and most people won't agree - but hey, it's what I feel. Adding everything up together, Majora's Mask is just a better game.

I think OOT has some better dungeons though - especially the Water Temple.

(OOT is still awesome, just a bit overrated)

People can say what they like about MM, but the atmosphere it created through the graphics, music and characters is unrivalled period. I still have some way to go in completed it on the VC, and plan to get every mask as it really deserves to be full explored, its that good. Almost every piece of music in the game is just so well thought out and memorable it amazes me.

I prefer adventuring in the overworld to having to do level based dungeons (which is why I love Okami so much) and MM has waaaay more sidequests and things to do than OoT, to the point where every NPC, no matter how small gets some sort of role in the story which made the game world more believable. OoT was a groundbreaking title, which to this day has only been bettered by Metroid Prime on how to bring a 16 bit series into 3 dimensions.
MM was a really dark game too, and that scream Link does whenever he put the mask on still gives me the creeps.

Its like the invention of the TV: Logi Baird broke new ground with his invention and Black and White was the groundbreaking device in your home, but Colour is still the better achievement. Ocarina was a groundbreaking title, but MM perfected its formula and also tore up the Zelda playbook to the point that I bet whatever Aomuna is working on to follow up Twilight Princess, it will be a darker title which breaks up the formula.

Carlos wrote:I prefer adventuring in the overworld to having to do level based dungeons (which is why I love Okami so much) and MM has waaaay more sidequests and things to do than OoT, to the point where every NPC, no matter how small gets some sort of role in the story which made the game world more believable. OoT was a groundbreaking title, which to this day has only been bettered by Metroid Prime on how to bring a 16 bit series into 3 dimensions.
MM was a really dark game too, and that scream Link does whenever he put the mask on still gives me the creeps.

Its like the invention of the TV: Logi Baird broke new ground with his invention and Black and White was the groundbreaking device in your home, but Colour is still the better achievement. Ocarina was a groundbreaking title, but MM perfected its formula and also tore up the Zelda playbook to the point that I bet whatever Aomuna is working on to follow up Twilight Princess, it will be a darker title which breaks up the formula.

I hope that last bit is true. I have also preferred Zelda when Link was a kid. I preferred the first part in OOT, Majoras Mask and Wind Waker to the Adult sections in OOT and the whole of Twilight Princess. It seems as though kid Link is for the DS only now!

Carlos wrote:Its like the invention of the TV: Logi Baird broke new ground with his invention and Black and White was the groundbreaking device in your home, but Colour is still the better achievement. Ocarina was a groundbreaking title, but MM perfected its formula.

My sentiments exactly. I played Majora's Mask first and going from the vibrancy of Clock Town to the illusion that is Hyrule Castle Town was hugely disappointing. Actually, I think it was the first Zelda I ever played, and it remains my favourite.

Call and Answer wrote:

Carlos wrote:Its like the invention of the TV: Logi Baird broke new ground with his invention and Black and White was the groundbreaking device in your home, but Colour is still the better achievement. Ocarina was a groundbreaking title, but MM perfected its formula.

My sentiments exactly. I played Majora's Mask first and going from the vibrancy of Clock Town to the illusion that is Hyrule Castle Town was hugely disappointing. Actually, I think it was the first Zelda I ever played, and it remains my favourite.

I agree, but I do think overall Ocarina of Time is the better game as it is longer and much, much more epic in scale. The mood, graphics and characters in Majoras Mask are almost perfect though. I am up to the bit after the second dungeon now and did a few sidequests including obtaining the Razor Sword, now I am invincible, and also a got a few extra heart pieces. I plan to get a few more masks before moving ahead and might do that first spider dungeon.

consolegaming wrote:

Call and Answer wrote:

Carlos wrote:Its like the invention of the TV: Logi Baird broke new ground with his invention and Black and White was the groundbreaking device in your home, but Colour is still the better achievement. Ocarina was a groundbreaking title, but MM perfected its formula.

My sentiments exactly. I played Majora's Mask first and going from the vibrancy of Clock Town to the illusion that is Hyrule Castle Town was hugely disappointing. Actually, I think it was the first Zelda I ever played, and it remains my favourite.

I agree, but I do think overall Ocarina of Time is the better game as it is longer and much, much more epic in scale. The mood, graphics and characters in Majoras Mask are almost perfect though. I am up to the bit after the second dungeon now and did a few sidequests including obtaining the Razor Sword, now I am invincible, and also a got a few extra heart pieces. I plan to get a few more masks before moving ahead and might do that first spider dungeon.

The fact that Majora's Mask isn't as epic may be one of the reasons I like it so much. I like how tightly focused everything is. In Ocarina, I never felt like Ganondorf's presence was hanging over me, so that ultimate goal was something off in the distance, just another obstacle in a series. In Majora, the main quest can never be far from your mind because of the moon looming large in the sky, slowly edging closer towards you. You are always aware of why you're doing what you're doing and, because of the time you spend helping the people of Clock Town, who you're doing it for. It builds an emotional connection. I never cared for Hyrule but I cared for Termina and that made me want to save it, because I knew intimately what would be lost if I didn't.

Call and Answer wrote:

consolegaming wrote:

Call and Answer wrote:

Carlos wrote:Its like the invention of the TV: Logi Baird broke new ground with his invention and Black and White was the groundbreaking device in your home, but Colour is still the better achievement. Ocarina was a groundbreaking title, but MM perfected its formula.

My sentiments exactly. I played Majora's Mask first and going from the vibrancy of Clock Town to the illusion that is Hyrule Castle Town was hugely disappointing. Actually, I think it was the first Zelda I ever played, and it remains my favourite.

I agree, but I do think overall Ocarina of Time is the better game as it is longer and much, much more epic in scale. The mood, graphics and characters in Majoras Mask are almost perfect though. I am up to the bit after the second dungeon now and did a few sidequests including obtaining the Razor Sword, now I am invincible, and also a got a few extra heart pieces. I plan to get a few more masks before moving ahead and might do that first spider dungeon.

The fact that Majora's Mask isn't as epic may be one of the reasons I like it so much. I like how tightly focused everything is. In Ocarina, I never felt like Ganondorf's presence was hanging over me, so that ultimate goal was something off in the distance, just another obstacle in a series. In Majora, the main quest can never be far from your mind because of the moon looming large in the sky, slowly edging closer towards you. You are always aware of why you're doing what you're doing and, because of the time you spend helping the people of Clock Town, who you're doing it for. It builds an emotional connection. I never cared for Hyrule but I cared for Termina and that made me want to save it, because I knew intimately what would be lost if I didn't.

I definately agree with what you say, MM is a much more concentrated experience and tbh I did not feel much for Link once he became an adult. MM is just so dark and more emotional, but it feels right to play it after playing Ocarina of Time as you revisit some of the characters, but things are not quite the same as they were. What I love about MM the most is the strong music in each area, from the terrific Termina Field theme to the dazzling and memorable music when you visit the Professor. The beginning is one of the best beginnings to a game ever, the feeling of loneliness like you have lost everything and that you are a lowly decu-scrub is unmatched. Only Shenmue's beginning had a similar affect on me.

I'm gonna go with the MM > OoT crowd.

I owned both as soon as they came out. Although both games are strawberry floating amazing, I feel that MM had a bit more to it than OoT. The sidequests were wonderful (Bomber's notebook ) as was the main game. I liked the fact that there seemed to be more to do in the overworld and they only had four main dungeons. I think the dungeon design in MM is probably the best because of it.

Every dungeon was memorable, remember the Snow Temple with the task of lowering the massive column in the main room? Or the Stone Temple where the very temple had to be flipped upside down?

Oh strawberry float, I need to replay this. Hows the emulation on the VC version?

Dr Cottle wrote:I'm gonna go with the MM > OoT crowd.

I owned both as soon as they came out. Although both games are ******* amazing, I feel that MM had a bit more to it than OoT. The sidequests were wonderful (Bomber's notebook ) as was the main game. I liked the fact that there seemed to be more to do in the overworld and they only had four main dungeons. I think the dungeon design in MM is probably the best because of it.

Every dungeon was memorable, remember the Snow Temple with the task of lowering the massive column in the main room? Or the Stone Temple where the very temple had to be flipped upside down?

Oh ****, I need to replay this. Hows the emulation on the VC version?

The emulation is fantastic on the VC and does not seem to freeze like the Gamecube version. It also looks better on the Wii because of the Component Cable. It controls brilliantly with the Wavebird.

I'd say they're about on a par. In all the ways that matter, they're the same game. If you liked one more than the other, it's likely simply a matter of personal preference for some of the details.

consolegaming wrote:

Dr Cottle wrote:

Oh ****, I need to replay this. Hows the emulation on the VC version?

The emulation is fantastic on the VC and does not seem to freeze like the Gamecube version. It also looks better on the Wii because of the Component Cable. It controls brilliantly with the Wavebird.

I'd recommend playing on a PC emulator. You'll get HD graphics and you'll be able to save anywhere. As long as you have a decent pad of course.

Never played it. The fact that it came out so soon after OOT and had none of the hype just screamed "crap spinoff" from the rooftops at me.

~Earl Grey~ wrote:Never played it. The fact that it came out so soon after OOT and had none of the hype just screamed "crap spinoff" from the rooftops at me.

I didn't get it for about 6 months because of this. Then it turned out to be better.

Mafro wrote:Without a doubt my favourite Zelda game. It was just so different from all the other Zeldas, both in terms of story and overall mood. Not to pimp my own stuff about, but I just wrote a retrospective thingy on it here.

I remember Miyamoto saying that Twilight Princess would be the last Zelda of it's type, but I'd love for the next one to me much more like MM in terms of a more darker and mature story.

In my opinion Ocarina of Time was the more important game but Majora's Mask was the better one, it just had so much character.

Discuss.

QFT x 500.

The darker story seems to be criticised but its hardly emo zelda, more a dark, twisted fairy tale like Alice in Wonderland (which it is blatently based on)

Loving the new title

The True Zelda Order

Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
Wind Waker
A Link to the Past
Twilight Princess
The Legend of Zelda
Minish Cap
Phantom Hourglass
Adventures of Link
The One on the Gameboy with the egg that is so rubbish i don't remember.

Unfortuantely i Never actually played seasons and ages