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by Moggy » Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:02 pm

I remember hearing about this guy years ago, but never realised that he has spent the last 6 years in prison in Scotland. :lol:

While obviously he is mental, is it really necessary to lock him up?

Naked Rambler Stephen Gough has spent more than six years in Scottish prisons for refusing to put his clothes on. The authorities have made it clear they do not want him there but the rambler is sticking to his principles. The result is possibly the UK's oddest legal stand-off.

The Naked Rambler is about to be released from prison, possibly as early as today.

If the last six years are anything to go by he will be arrested soon afterwards. Naked.

Stephen Gough has 18 convictions relating to public nudity, serving virtually all of the past six years in a series of Scottish prisons. The offences have typically been breaches of the peace and contempt of court.

Gough's spells of freedom have been as little as a few seconds, with arrest following his refusal to wear clothes on departure from prison.

He has twice walked naked from Land's End to John O'Groats - in 2003-04 and 2005-06 - typically wearing only boots, socks, a rucksack and perhaps hat.

In England, Gough had run-ins with the police, but the attitude in Scotland has consistently been tougher with police and courts mostly agreeing that being naked in public is fundamentally a breach of the peace.

Gough's attitude has also hardened, with the rambler refusing to wear clothes in court or after being arrested, leading to contempt of court convictions.

The authorities in Scotland are growing rather weary.

After his last conviction, the prosecution service issued a statement, the tone of which could be said to be exasperated.

The Crown Office, responsible for prosecutions in Scotland, pointed out that it and the police had done all they could to "prevent" Gough from offending. In order to break the "vicious circle" which sees Gough thrown back in prison as soon as he is released, police chiefs decided earlier this year on a different approach.

In July, Gough, a 53-year-old former marine from Eastleigh, Hampshire, was allowed to walk away from Perth prison without wearing clothes.

Ch Supt Andy McCann, of Tayside Police, says a decision was taken to allow Gough to go on his way and only arrest him if his behaviour was gratuitous. "We asked him to show a bit of consideration," McCann says.

But within three days, Gough was back in court after he walked naked past a children's playground in Fife.

Adrian Cottam, procurator fiscal summary for the east of Scotland, says that despite repeated police requests, Gough has "intentionally caused shock and alarm to children and their parents".

At Kirkcaldy Sheriff Court, Sheriff James Williamson says Gough's "disregard for other members of the public, in particular children" shows "arrogance" and "self-indulgence". He also lost patience with Gough for his refusal to allow social workers to assess his mental health.

"When he did walk the length of the country he was variously ignored, celebrated and arrested," McCann says.

Police have a certain amount of discretion over whether to arrest a person for being naked in public, he adds, and if people just see Gough as an "oddity" it would be fine to allow him to carry on.

"It is about context and the alarm he is causing and his intention to cause alarm and whether his offences are flagrant and persistent."

Gough's second walk to John O'Groats ended in February 2006.

It took eight months because his trek was broken by spells in prison - but not even snow in the far north of Scotland could deter him from rambling naked.

In May of that year, on a flight from Southampton to Edinburgh to attend an Appeal Court hearing, Gough stripped off in the toilet and was arrested when the plane landed. He has been in prison pretty much since then, and has spent six years in segregation.

"He's had to be managed separately from other prisoners because he refuses to wear clothes," says Tom Fox, of the Scottish Prisons Service. "He is asked every day if he will put on clothes and he refuses."

Fox says it is a self-imposed segregation that causes difficulties for prison management, but prison rules say that clothes must be worn.

John Scott QC, chair of the Howard League for Penal Reform in Scotland, says the bill to keep Gough in prison for so long must have reached hundreds of thousands of pounds. It costs about £40,000 a prisoner a year, rising when an inmate is separated from others, and when he is repeatedly discharged and readmitted.

"The point Gough is trying to make has become an expensive one for the rest of us," Scott says. "He has accrued the kind of prison sentence which people usually get for doing real harm and crimes of violence."

It is Gough's contention that to be naked in public is a fundamental freedom and that nakedness is an aspect of his personal autonomy.

"The human body isn't offensive," he told the Guardian in March 2012. "If that's what we're saying, as human beings, then it's not rational."

Gough says he is determined to make his way the length of the UK "without compromises". He took this view all the way to the Scottish appeal court, where it was rejected.

Scott, who is also a human rights lawyer, says being naked is "not generally accepted to be a human right".

"You can develop your own thinking on what a human right is but if that clashes with the rights of other people not to be upset or alarmed then you have a problem."

Andrew Welch, commercial manager of British Naturism, says Gough's behaviour has been "confrontational, intolerant and inconsiderate".

But Welch agrees with the principle that it is not an offence to choose not to wear clothes. There is no evidence that nudity causes harm to anyone of any age, he says, and "body shame" results in widespread and often serious negative effects, mainly to children and young people.

"Nakedness is not illegal. A lot of this is about the application of the law," Welch says.

"Naturist people are law abiding but we would like to know what the law is. People in authority seem to let personal opinion overcome what the law says."

A number of Gough's convictions have been for contempt of court as he refuses to wear clothes in front of the sheriff. But the charge which gets him in front of the sheriff in the first place is breach of the peace

Criminal solicitor Grazia Robertson notes the flexibility of the offence. "You do not have to pass a new statute every time someone coughs in the wrong place," she says.

But just because "one little old lady is shocked" it is not enough to prove there has been a breach, she says.

On two occasions during his long history with the Scottish courts, Gough has been cleared by sheriffs.

In 2007, Sheriff Isobel Poole ruled there was insufficient evidence to show that his state of undress had caused alarm to members of the public. Gough had been arrested in the car park after being released from Saughton Prison in Edinburgh.

The sheriff decided there was no evidence of "actual alarm or disturbance", although she understood how such conduct could be considered unpleasant to passers-by.

If Gough maintains his insistence on public nudity, what can the Scottish legal system do?

One option - which the Crown Office says it has tried - is shipping him back to England.

On his release from Edinburgh prison in 2007, police officers offered to take Gough to an address of his choosing in Yorkshire. Although he originally agreed to go with them, he changed his mind and attempted to walk from the prison along the A71 and was arrested again.

Scott says the sooner a way is found to get Gough out of Scotland the better.

"It is a situation calling for a degree of compromise from the authorities but they can't be seen to be saying he can do whatever he wants. If it was decided to let him on his way naked, they would not be saying he has won. People are not going to copy him.

"The state needs to keep a sense of proportion because the harm he is causing is more offence and annoyance than damage to people and society. This could carry on until he is too ill to put on clothes. And that does not strike me as a sensible approach on behalf of the state."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19625542

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PostRe: The Naked Rambler
by Octoroc » Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:07 pm

What a nob!

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PostRe: The Naked Rambler
by Moggy » Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:08 pm

Fizheuer Zieheuer wrote:mental why.


Mental in that he has spent 6 years in jail for not putting clothes on. While I agree he should have the right to walk around naked if he wants, you have to be a bit mental to spend 6 years of your life in jail, just because you refuse to put shorts on.

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by Fatal Exception » Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:09 pm

His crime streak has ended.

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by Qikz » Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:17 pm

Moggy wrote:
Fizheuer Zieheuer wrote:mental why.


Mental in that he has spent 6 years in jail for not putting clothes on. While I agree he should have the right to walk around naked if he wants, you have to be a bit mental to spend 6 years of your life in jail, just because you refuse to put shorts on.


Or he shouldn't have been put in prison for being naked in the first place.

I didn't think it was illegal to be a naturalist?

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by Moggy » Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:24 pm

StayDead wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Fizheuer Zieheuer wrote:mental why.


Mental in that he has spent 6 years in jail for not putting clothes on. While I agree he should have the right to walk around naked if he wants, you have to be a bit mental to spend 6 years of your life in jail, just because you refuse to put shorts on.


Or he shouldn't have been put in prison for being naked in the first place.

I didn't think it was illegal to be a naturalist?


I already pointed out that he shouldn't be locked up. :fp:

It is not illegal to be naked in public, but he is being arrested and convicted of public order offences. Of course, if they had just let him finish his walk, he would have left Scotland 6 years ago. :lol:

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by DML » Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:24 pm

StayDead wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Fizheuer Zieheuer wrote:mental why.


Mental in that he has spent 6 years in jail for not putting clothes on. While I agree he should have the right to walk around naked if he wants, you have to be a bit mental to spend 6 years of your life in jail, just because you refuse to put shorts on.


Or he shouldn't have been put in prison for being naked in the first place.

I didn't think it was illegal to be a naturalist?


Yes, but its almost definitely illegal to be naked in places where you aren't allowed to walk around nude, or its unsuitable! Thats why we have 'naturist beaches'.

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PostRe: The Naked Rambler
by Octoroc » Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:26 pm

By chance, I drove down the A71 just a couple of weeks ago. I was visiting sunny Ayr.

That's my cool story du jour.

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PostRe: The Naked Rambler
by Pontius Pilate » Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:28 pm

I seem to remember a thread on here about this same guy from years ago.

Online nostalgia. :cry:

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PostRe: The Naked Rambler
by melatonin » Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:56 pm

Thread title also accurately describes GreenGecko's posting habits at 2am.

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by Qikz » Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:36 pm

melatonin wrote:Thread title also accurately describes GreenGecko's posting habits at 2am.


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by Vermin » Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:39 pm

Been reading about Gough in the papers for yonks now. The guy just keeps on doing it and refuses to stop, hence the prison sentence. And he walks through public areas, with the children's park incident being a beaut. His upstart wife on the radio the other day speaking from her home in Hampshire, saying 'oh, the scots want to seem progressive, but this clearly isn't the way to go.' How the strawberry float else?

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by Moggy » Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:43 pm

TimeGhost wrote:Been reading about Gough in the papers for yonks now. The guy just keeps on doing it and refuses to stop, hence the prison sentence. And he walks through public areas, with the children's park incident being a beaut. His upstart wife on the radio the other day speaking from her home in Hampshire, saying 'oh, the scots want to seem progressive, but this clearly isn't the way to go.' How the strawberry float else?


They could ignore him, let him walk through Scotland and he would then be out of their way.

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by Vermin » Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:47 pm

Moggy wrote:
TimeGhost wrote:Been reading about Gough in the papers for yonks now. The guy just keeps on doing it and refuses to stop, hence the prison sentence. And he walks through public areas, with the children's park incident being a beaut. His upstart wife on the radio the other day speaking from her home in Hampshire, saying 'oh, the scots want to seem progressive, but this clearly isn't the way to go.' How the strawberry float else?


They could ignore him, let him walk through Scotland and he would then be out of their way.


Yeah good troll.

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by Moggy » Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:49 pm

TimeGhost wrote:
Moggy wrote:
TimeGhost wrote:Been reading about Gough in the papers for yonks now. The guy just keeps on doing it and refuses to stop, hence the prison sentence. And he walks through public areas, with the children's park incident being a beaut. His upstart wife on the radio the other day speaking from her home in Hampshire, saying 'oh, the scots want to seem progressive, but this clearly isn't the way to go.' How the strawberry float else?


They could ignore him, let him walk through Scotland and he would then be out of their way.


Yeah good troll.


I am not trolling. I honestly cannot see why they can't just let him walk naked if that's what he wants to do. He is not "flashing" just walking naked. And of course if he walks the length of Britain, he is going to go by a school or playground at some point. So what?

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PostRe: The Naked Rambler
by Vermin » Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:54 pm

If the law has to be changed or officially ignored for just one man, then let it be out of genuine need, rather than a strawberry floating obsessive nonsense.

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PostRe: The Naked Rambler
by frogg » Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:56 pm

In regards to walking past the playground naked..why is this such a big deal? I'm assuming he wasn't walking past sporting an erection so clearly isn't doing it for sexual reasons..

If the argument 'oh, children shouldn't see naked flesh' Why not? In built shame of nudity?

Not getting on a soap box, just curious as to why it's such a big deal.

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by False » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:00 pm

Hes obviously mentally handicapped and should be in an asylum.

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by Moggy » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:00 pm

There are no laws against being naked in public. If there was, he would be arrested and convicted for that.

While the old bill are at it, they can arrest some of these people as well. Oh wait, they don't bother with these people....

http://bristolwnbr.blogspot.co.uk/

http://www.pbase.com/brianmicky/london_ ... _bike_ride

And of course, the naked rambler has only become a "strawberry floating obsessive nonsense" because they keep strawberry floating arresting him.

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by Vermin » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:11 pm

Moggy wrote:There are no laws against being naked in public. If there was, he would be arrested and convicted for that.

While the old bill are at it, they can arrest some of these people as well. Oh wait, they don't bother with these people....

http://bristolwnbr.blogspot.co.uk/

http://www.pbase.com/brianmicky/london_ ... _bike_ride

And of course, the naked rambler has only become a "strawberry floating obsessive nonsense" because they keep strawberry floating arresting him.


Oh yeah, it's all their fault.

Breach of the peace covers his public nudity in this instance. You don't just let grown men do that. I've never expected to be afforded the opportunity.


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