The Obesity Thread

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by smurphy » Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:11 am

Lotus wrote:Guy on the radio saying that being obsese is just in our instincts, as we want to store up fat. :dread:


That is true to an extent. We also have lots of other instincts, but we can easily control them because we're sentient, intelligent beings (for the most part).

I don't want taxed because fat banana splits are ruining everything. If you're over 30% bodyfat you pay a tax each month. The perfect solution.

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by Poser » Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:17 am

Skarjo wrote:Fizzy drinks are a major cause of obesity which is, in turn, a major drain on the NHS.

If a consumer good is causing health problems you should tax it to the point where there is no net cost to the country.

Tax away.


I can see that, I really can - and I think you've put it very nicely.

The principle behind it rankles with me, though. Decisions made that affect everyone because of the stupidity of a few. It will reach the point where anything that's fun, which can prove to be bad for you if not taken in moderation, will be prohibitively expensive for those who are smart enough not to ruin themselves.

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by Octoroc » Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:20 am

How about if pop was only sold from shops that are located on the top of a hill?

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by Mini E » Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:20 am

https://catalogue.ic.nhs.uk/publication ... 12-rep.pdf

Well worth a read - I used it as part of my uni research proposal last semester - am looking at investigating obesity and cardiovascular function a bit further for my FYP. Some stark statistics in that file.

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by smurphy » Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:26 am

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by Poser » Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:26 am

Octoroc wrote:How about if pop was only sold from shops that are located on the top of a hill?


I went to uni in Aberystwyth - the campus is at the top of a bloody great hill. I lived in town, at the bottom of the hill, for all three years, didn't use a vehicle once.

Knew a fat girl who did the same and graduated after three years without ever having walked up the hill. There was a free bus service before 11am; even if she didn't have a lecture til 4pm, she'd get the early bus to avoid the walk. (She did drama so it's not like she was studying in her free time).

Nature will find a way. As will the constantly hungry.

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by Something Fishy » Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:41 am

Must admit i'm constantly hungry, a bit of a carb monster but I also ensure I constantly burn it off too. The constantly hungry don't have to be massively fat I reckon.

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by Poser » Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:47 am

Something Fishy wrote:Must admit i'm constantly hungry, a bit of a carb monster but I also ensure I constantly burn it off too. The constantly hungry don't have to be massively fat I reckon.


:lol: No, that's true. At my sporting peak, I was eating almost all the time.

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by Bunni » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:22 am

I love coke and know it's bad for me. It's cheap enough that I can buy loads but I still consciously try not to drink too much Why should I have to pay huge amounts of tax on something that I can use responsibly because other people can't. Healthy options need to be subsidised to make them more accessible than unhealthy items. Also advertising could be culled. Alcohol isn't allowed to be advertised on the tv before 9pm, so maybe something similar could be done to make it not so attractive to people.

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by Meep » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:30 am

People in America effectively are taxed for obesity as medical insurance costs more if you are overweight, yet they have the highest level of obesity in the world. Clearly making people pay for it won't work.

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by Poser » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:30 am

Trouble with banning advertising is that it's a massive industry - one of our biggest - and a ban would be another blow to our creative industries.

I'm not saying advertising is good - I exclusively record everything I watch now so I can skip the adverts (with the exception of live sport) -but taking out Coke's ad spend alone would be a small blow to the economy.

Bunni wrote:I love coke and know it's bad for me.


I actually find I only love the first couple of mouthfuls. After that I'm drinking it cos it's there and I paid for it. If I drink a 500ml bottle I feel rancid about an hour later, an another hour after that I usually crash - still doesn't stop me, though, cos those first two mouthfuls taste so good. :fp:

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PostRe: The Obesity Thread
by Curls » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:31 am

I have an addiction to chocolate.

The prices keep going up and up. I keep buying it.

I have however, stopped eating it for lent.

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by Denster » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:34 am

I actually drink sugar free soft drinks. I like the taste better.


It's the kebabs and crisps that do for me.


I'm a fatty but i hate the fact that people who eat sensibly are punished too. It's nonsense.

Offer incentives for fatties to lose weight and penalties if they refuse to do so.

(ie contributions towards obesity related health interventions).

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by Jenko » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:51 am

I don't see how people manage to drink so much pop. 90% of what I drink is nice, cool water. The only time I ever really drink anything else is if I go out for a meal, in which case I may opt for a glass of coke or something. Sometimes I even just order a free pitcher of water. Free, tasty, baller as strawberry float.

People being fat in places like this here and America, in my opinion, is mainly due to two things. The way in which companies try and coax everything with food people surely must know is gooseberry fool for them, and the people that have no self restraint and are the idiots who buy it.

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by Meep » Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:20 pm

I think it's a symptom of consumer culture. People are encouraged to spend and consume to excess in all areas of life.

The only difference between the guy who overindulges in buying the latest gadget as soon as it hits the shelves and guy who overeats is that the latter shows physical signs of the problem. They are both affected by the same phenomenon.

Obesity is merely evidence of something even more seriously flawed with society.

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by Lime » Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:27 pm

Meep wrote:I think it's a symptom of consumer culture. People are encouraged to spend and consume to excess in all areas of life.

The only difference between the guy who overindulges in buying the latest gadget as soon as it hits the shelves and guy who overeats is that the latter shows physical signs of the problem. They are both affected by the same phenomenon.

Obesity is merely evidence of something even more seriously flawed with society.


That's an interesting point, I will have to have a think about that.

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by Something Fishy » Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:27 pm

Poser wrote:
Something Fishy wrote:Must admit i'm constantly hungry, a bit of a carb monster but I also ensure I constantly burn it off too. The constantly hungry don't have to be massively fat I reckon.


:lol: No, that's true. At my sporting peak, I was eating almost all the time.


That's the problem I have. I just want to eat tons once I exercise.

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by kommissarboris » Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:15 pm

So now my alcohol is more expensive.

My Coke to mix with it is more expensive.

My Smokes to smoke while drinking my fine drink are more expensive.

Just waiting until my dealer starts getting taxed on my other Coke and I'm finished.

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by Slartibartfast » Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:40 pm

I think it's a good idea, why do my taxes have to be higher to pay for fatties? Also, the doctors are right - the calories from refined sugar in fizzy water are the worst sort you can guzzle down.

We should tax the very unhealthy foods and use that money to make healthy foods cheaper.
Pay for gastric band surgery to save on the cost of diabetes later on.
Restrict unhealthy advertising to children.

BAM. Done.

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by Dig Dug » Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:41 pm

Think the first step to fixing the problem is to set examples. I know people who talk about getting healthy and yet still buy crap like sweets, biscuits, crisps and chocolate when shopping. Why? Surely the fact you are paying for it is enough to make you say "okay, lets spend less on/stop buying treats".

It also makes me think about parents too, what benefit is there in buying your kids bags of sweets? I know they like them but just because someone likes something doesn't mean they should have it, get them hooked on a different food, get them hooked on raw carrots or something (strawberry floating love raw carrots).


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