The Official Labour Unity Thread: Corbyn re-elected as leader

[Wrathy]

The 200 decent labour MPs would do well to defect to other parties or start their own, and leave Labour to be the Student's Union farce Corbyn and friends seem intent on making it.

[BID0]

I'd be interested to know if there is a Labour party member who would be confident of an election victory in 4 months time if a GE is called by the next Tory leader.

Not a party member, but I'd vote for Corbyn if an election was called soon. If he get's removed and replaced by some Blairite then they won't be getting my vote.

Satriales knows the score o/

Politicians are told they're out of touch with the public > start a coup again their chosen leader by a huge margin

[Rex Kramer]

I'd be interested to know if there is a Labour party member who would be confident of an election victory in 4 months time if a GE is called by the next Tory leader.

Not a party member, but I'd vote for Corbyn if an election was called soon. If he get's removed and replaced by some Blairite then they won't be getting my vote.

Satriales knows the score o/

Politicians are told they're out of touch with the public > start a coup again their chosen leader by a huge margin

Whereas I've got family members who have been Labour voters since the year dot and have all said they wouldn't vote for Corbyn. These are northern working class people who just don't identify with him, my step-dad just thinks he's a student who hasn't grown up.
The fact that UKIP were indicating that their next gains will be in northern Labour heartlands should also be ringing massive alarm bells (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 39649.html).

[BID0]

I'd be interested to know if there is a Labour party member who would be confident of an election victory in 4 months time if a GE is called by the next Tory leader.

Not a party member, but I'd vote for Corbyn if an election was called soon. If he get's removed and replaced by some Blairite then they won't be getting my vote.

Satriales knows the score o/

Politicians are told they're out of touch with the public > start a coup again their chosen leader by a huge margin

Whereas I've got family members who have been Labour voters since the year dot and have all said they wouldn't vote for Corbyn. These are northern working class people who just don't identify with him, my step-dad just thinks he's a student who hasn't grown up.
The fact that UKIP were indicating that their next gains will be in northern Labour heartlands should also be ringing massive alarm bells (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 39649.html).

I'm sorry he feels that way, but what would be the point of Labour becoming a Tory/UKIP copy paste party. The more parties keep chasing after the same votes, it leaves everyone else un-represented.

There's no way in hell Labour would win a GE by changing the leader now and trying to appeal to UKIP converts.

I'm not saying Corbyn could win a GE either for the record, but I think trying something unotherdox is their best chance of anything right now. Especially with all of the uncertainty currently, you can't play this game the usual way anymore.

[Octoroc]

It's the Conservative Party's job to pick up right-wing votes, possibly the Lib-Dem's, but not Labour's.

Anna Eagle (who hell she?) posted her resignation on FB. Her constiuents weren't overly supportive. Or anyone else for that matter.

[Hexx]

Do we really need a Cameron resigned thread, a EU ref thread, a politics thread and a Corbyn thread?

Yes.

Alright then. I'll allow it.

[BID0]

I'd also like to add, I'm sure northern people would more likely to vote for Corbyn once he has a GE manifesto and goes campaigning for it.

The biggest issue is he isn't going to get any backing from the media because he wants to take the wealth away from the rich and give it to be less fortunate. It would be up to websites like Avaaz and the labour membership to get the message out in to the public.

[Lex-Man]

The problem seems to be if a vote of no confidence is called against Corbyn he'll just be voted back in by all the people who voted for him before. Although it does look like they're trying to remove him from the ballet.

Also the Chilcot report is out in a week and anybody standing against Corbyn will have to do so while dealing with any fallout from that.

[Cal]

The 200 decent labour MPs would do well to defect to other parties or start their own, and leave Labour to be the Student's Union farce Corbyn and friends seem intent on making it.

This - absolutely this. Let's find out who really commands the majority of the wider Labour voting electorate. (Hint: I suspect it won't be Chairman Corbyn)

[Preezy]

Fergie for leader

[Herdanos]

Corbyn ran with the message "the EU isn't ideal, it needs change, but we're better placed to make those changed from within than without", which was the view of the majority of the electorate. Now that we're looking at the realistic possibility of a GE, why Labour see Corbyn as a liability and not an asset baffles me. To do a Lib Dem and say you'll run on a Remain platform is utterly ridiculous - democracy does not mean re-running the election until you get the result you want and for the Lib Dems to say they'll try and keep the UK in the EU means they're standing on a platform of intentionally misrepresenting 52% of the electorate. Madness. I hate IDS but he's right in a way - the next PM should be someone who understands the argument for Leaving. Corbyn is the the best Labour option.

[Moggy]

Fergie for leader

She loves London bridge but I am not sure she knows enough about the rest of the country.

[Moggy]

intentionally misrepresenting 52% of the electorate.

It was not 52% of the electorate, it was 52% of the votes cast.

[Herdanos]

intentionally misrepresenting 52% of the electorate.

It was not 52% of the electorate, it was 52% of the votes cast.

OK, fair enough, but even so, it's 52% of the engaged electorate. Basing arguments on the views of people that didn't vote won't get us anywhere.

[Octoroc]

The 200 decent labour MPs would do well to defect to other parties or start their own, and leave Labour to be the Student's Union farce Corbyn and friends seem intent on making it.

This - absolutely this. Let's find out who really commands the majority of the wider Labour voting electorate. (Hint: I suspect it won't be Chairman Corbyn)

Changing party would be a novel way of avoiding the sack. They're going to lose their job whatever happens. Finally we're getting that Stalinist putsch the media promised us.

[captain red dog]

I supported Corbyn for the leadership but I don't feel he has been able to build any relationship at all with his MPs. He has to go as events have overtaken him and Labour need to be in a position to tackle a general election before the end of the year.

It seems baffling that he is staying on. He is using the membership as a shield in my opinion when he seems lacking in all leadership qualities.

I respect some his principles, and I respect the causes he fights for but he isn't party leadership material.

[Moggy]

intentionally misrepresenting 52% of the electorate.

It was not 52% of the electorate, it was 52% of the votes cast.

OK, fair enough, but even so, it's 52% of the engaged electorate. Basing arguments on the views of people that didn't vote won't get us anywhere.

I just keep seeing people saying that half of the British people voted to leave and its annoying because it isn’t true.

Sure Leave won the vote, but it was nowhere near half of the electorate that voted for it.

[Knoyleo]

Corbyn ran with the message "the EU isn't ideal, it needs change, but we're better placed to make those changed from within than without", which was the view of the majority of the electorate. Now that we're looking at the realistic possibility of a GE, why Labour see Corbyn as a liability and not an asset baffles me. To do a Lib Dem and say you'll run on a Remain platform is utterly ridiculous - democracy does not mean re-running the election until you get the result you want and for the Lib Dems to say they'll try and keep the UK in the EU means they're standing on a platform of intentionally misrepresenting 52% of the electorate. Madness. I hate IDS but he's right in a way - the next PM should be someone who understands the argument for Leaving. Corbyn is the the best Labour option.

This.

As a lifelong Eurosceptic, Jezza is probably someone best placed to make the most of a post EU Britain, rather than a Tory party who will use it as an attempt to carve up the country. Finally the freedom to renationalise without breaching EU law, save steel, especially now buyers are fleeing in their droves post Brexit.

If the majority of Labour MPs are insistent on disregarding the voice of party members, they need to give up their seats, and strawberry float off to other parties.

This is the time for Labour to make a full return to the left, rather than continue to flirt around with the centre right in some attempt at populism that leaves an entirely empty space on the left of the political spectrum.

[Winckle]

Fergie for leader

Surely the joke here should be "Get Giggsy in!"

[Eighthours]

Corbyn ran with the message "the EU isn't ideal, it needs change, but we're better placed to make those changed from within than without", which was the view of the majority of the electorate. Now that we're looking at the realistic possibility of a GE, why Labour see Corbyn as a liability and not an asset baffles me. To do a Lib Dem and say you'll run on a Remain platform is utterly ridiculous - democracy does not mean re-running the election until you get the result you want and for the Lib Dems to say they'll try and keep the UK in the EU means they're standing on a platform of intentionally misrepresenting 52% of the electorate. Madness. I hate IDS but he's right in a way - the next PM should be someone who understands the argument for Leaving. Corbyn is the the best Labour option.

This.

As a lifelong Eurosceptic, Jezza is probably someone best placed to make the most of a post EU Britain, rather than a Tory party who will use it as an attempt to carve up the country. Finally the freedom to renationalise without breaching EU law, save steel, especially now buyers are fleeing in their droves post Brexit.

If the majority of Labour MPs are insistent on disregarding the voice of party members, they need to give up their seats, and strawberry float off to other parties.

This is the time for Labour to make a full return to the left, rather than continue to flirt around with the centre right in some attempt at populism that leaves an entirely empty space on the left of the political spectrum.

But what's the point of being a party of protest forever, as that's what would happen? You have to get elected in order to help the people you're supposedly worrying about. Deliberately embarking on a path that will certainly not get you elected is unconscionable if you actually believe in social justice. This is what weirds me out about some Labour supporters at the moment.