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by Saint of Killers » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:49 pm

Taking recent history into account (from coverage of MPs falsifying accounts, to revelations and repercussions of phone hacking and abuse of children by celebrities) it's pretty damn obvious the press and BBC, et al are interested in nothing more than making sure our politicians keep their squeaky clean image --such as it is. Yes.

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by Trelliz » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:55 pm

Alvin Flummux wrote:The media loves a good scandal. Why wouldn't they want to nail everyone to the wall, when it'd be an incredible ratings booster?


the article wot I linked wrote:The leak is being managed by the grandly but laughably named “International Consortium of Investigative Journalists”, which is funded and organised entirely by the USA’s Center for Public Integrity. Their funders include

Ford Foundation
Carnegie Endowment
Rockefeller Family Fund
W K Kellogg Foundation
Open Society Foundation (Soros)


I think that sums it up.

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by Saint of Killers » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:56 pm

Apparently, a reason why there may not be a lot of US based people in this leak is because they have States of their own which allow them to do similar kinds of things. Nevada and Delaware, I think.

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by Alvin Flummux » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:57 pm

Well then, I hope Wikileaks gets its hands on the data and leaks the gooseberry fool out of it.

Saint of Killers wrote:Apparently, a reason why there may not be a lot of US based people in this leak is because they have States of their own which allow them to do similar kinds of things. Nevada and Delaware, I think.


11.5 million documents is a lot to go through. I think there'll be a good few American and other western figures and companies in there, it's just that maybe they haven't got to them yet?

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by Rightey » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:58 pm

Alvin Flummux wrote:The media loves a good scandal. Why wouldn't they want to nail everyone to the wall, when it'd be an incredible ratings booster?


Because they're not going to bad mouth the people/ corporations that own them?

What sort of a question is that?

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by Saint of Killers » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:58 pm

Trelliz wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:The media loves a good scandal. Why wouldn't they want to nail everyone to the wall, when it'd be an incredible ratings booster?


the article wot I linked wrote:The leak is being managed by the grandly but laughably named “International Consortium of Investigative Journalists”, which is funded and organised entirely by the USA’s Center for Public Integrity. Their funders include

Ford Foundation
Carnegie Endowment
Rockefeller Family Fund
W K Kellogg Foundation
Open Society Foundation (Soros)


I think that sums it up.


So you don't think anything will come of this, or that if it does it'll be comparatively weak?

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by Alvin Flummux » Mon Apr 04, 2016 1:00 pm

Rightey wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:The media loves a good scandal. Why wouldn't they want to nail everyone to the wall, when it'd be an incredible ratings booster?


Because they're not going to bad mouth the people/ corporations that own them?


They could just quietly leak data on certain companies or individuals to external outlets, giving them full deniability.

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by Cal » Mon Apr 04, 2016 1:06 pm

Trelliz wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:The media loves a good scandal. Why wouldn't they want to nail everyone to the wall, when it'd be an incredible ratings booster?


the article wot I linked wrote:The leak is being managed by the grandly but laughably named “International Consortium of Investigative Journalists”, which is funded and organised entirely by the USA’s Center for Public Integrity. Their funders include

Ford Foundation
Carnegie Endowment
Rockefeller Family Fund
W K Kellogg Foundation
Open Society Foundation (Soros)


I think that sums it up.


In what way? I mean, I have my suspicions, but not sure which way you're interpreting this.

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by Trelliz » Mon Apr 04, 2016 1:13 pm

Cal wrote:In what way? I mean, I have my suspicions, but not sure which way you're interpreting this.


In that its fine to pillory the dodgy foreigners and their evil money ways, however as soon as it gets closer to the paymasters of those leaking the information things suspiciously go quiet.

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by Saint of Killers » Mon Apr 04, 2016 1:23 pm

Info pic showing how much data has apparently been leaked:

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Source: (warning: link autoplays a video with audio) http://panamapapers.sueddeutsche.de/art ... c3495adf4/

Maybe there's a gooseberry fool tonne of incriminating evidence on western powers in there. Maybe we'll get it released to us, maybe we won't. Maybe there's not much in there because of previously mentioned reasons. So you know, maybe wait before we start accusing outlets, outlets who have happily embarrassed and exposed western governments, etc in the past, of bias.

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by Cal » Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:09 pm

Saint of Killers wrote:Maybe there's a gooseberry fool tonne of incriminating evidence on western powers in there. Maybe we'll get it released to us, maybe we won't. Maybe there's not much in there because of previously mentioned reasons. So you know, maybe wait before we start accusing outlets, outlets who have happily embarrassed and exposed western governments, etc in the past, of bias.


Or maybe we can just look at who is backing this enigmatic group of 'international investigative journalists' the BBC is so keen to lead their news with...

Questions must be asked of the tactics of the ICIJ, and indeed, their backers.

The organisation, which describes itself as “a global network of more than 190 investigative journalists in more than 65 countries who collaborate on in-depth investigative stories” lists as some of its recent financial funders:

Adessium Foundation
Funds big green, as well as financial industry lobbyists, often in partnership with the George Soros-backed Open Society initiatives or foundations. The group also supports the EUObserver website, which dedicates itself to non-biased European Union reporting, though receives 64 per cent of its funding from predominantly pro-EU foundations.

Open Society Foundations
Chaired by Hungarian-American billionaire and Hillary Clinton donor George Soros, the Open Society Foundations back hundreds of pro open borders, mass immigration groups across the European Union, United Kingdom, and United States of America. Mr. Soros is a known rival of Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, and has recently written about how Mr. Putin is a “greater threat” to the West than Islamic State.

The Sigrid Rausing Trust
The Sigrid Rausing Trust, similarly to the Open Society Foundations, backs open borders and pro mass migration groups across the United Kingdom, and funds anti-Israel groups in the Middle East. The organisation funds “No Borders” in Ukraine, “Reprieve” in the UK – which defends Guantanamo Bay detainees, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), and the radical left group “Southall Black Sisters” in Britain.

Graeme Wood
An Australian billionaire who has bankrolled anti coal projects in his home country, as well as supporting the Guardian website – which critics have highlighted the hypocrisy of for their own offshore tax set up. Mr. Wood was responsible for Australia’s “biggest ever political donation of $1.6 million in 2010 to the Greens” and funded the failed Global Mail news website.

The Ford Foundation
The Ford Foundation is one of the largest funders on the political left, giving out over $560 million just in 2013. The Ford Foundation has funded everything from Sesame Street to the radical TV show Democracy Now.

In addition to finding literally dozens of far left groups with agendas ranging from environmentalism to abortion, the Ford Foundation is one of the premier funders of the open borders movement, beginning with its 1968 grant to create the group MALDEF, or the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund, as helping to creat the group National Council of La Raza. MALDEF and La Raza have become to the most influential groups in the US open borders movement. The Ford foundation is also been a significant funder for the ACLU and the National Lawyers guild, both key legal players in the fight for open borders.

Additionally, the Ford Foundation laid the intellectual groundwork for the modern open borders movement and its multiculturalist agenda with a series of grants in the 60s and 70s that created Women’s Studies and Black Studies programs at major universities across America. In a 1992 conference that Ford sponsored called “Cultural Diversity Enhancement” the closing speaker was Eve Grossman, a Princeton dean, who made the agenda very clear: “If we want to change the world, we have to change the students.”

Pew Charitable Trust
Like like The Ford Foundation, the Pew Charitable Trust is a major funder of a wide range of left-wing groups with focuses on arts and culture, environmental issues as well as public research opinion polling through the Pew Research group. In 2014 alone, Pew gave out over $110 million in grants.

A quick look at the Pew Charitable Trust’s website includes a number of helpful articles if you’re an illegal alien and you’d like to drive, such as the recent pop quiz Do You Know the Facts About Driver’s Licenses for Unauthorized Immigrants? and Alternative Driver’s Licenses for Unauthorized Immigrants.

David and Lucile Packard Foundation
Another heavy hitter in the world of left-wing grant writing, the Packard Foundation gave out nearly $300 million in 2013 alone.

Aside from funding institutional left groups like Human Rights Watch, The Center for Reproductive Rights, And the Environmental Working Group, Packard is also funded open borders groups such as National Council of La Raza, the National Immigration Law Center, and the ACLU.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04 ... rge-soros/

So, as I suspected, a liberal progressives' wet-dream-team. I think I know how honest and open they are going to be about their friends...

Thanks to Breitbart - the BBC could learn a thing or two about 'due diligence and impartiality', don't you think..?

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by Saint of Killers » Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:16 pm

:lol: Yeah, I didn't need it spelling out for me three times to go check up on that. ICIJ may not leak that gooseberry fool, but the way you were spinning it at first, and continue to do so, you'd think Snowden never occrurred and western press only have it in for poor ol' Putin.

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by Cal » Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:19 pm

Saint of Killers wrote::lol: Yeah, I didn't need it spelling out for me three times to go check up on that. ICIJ may not leak that gooseberry fool, but the way you were spinning it at first, and continue to do so, you'd think Snowden never occrurred and western press only have it in for poor ol' Putin.


Fair enough, I was just reluctant to spell out the bleedin' obvious for fear of triggering Dan or Moggy to come in here accusing me of wearing my tin-foil hat.

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by Death's Head » Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:28 pm

Stepping over the usual arguments between forums, is the Malaysian MP implicated in any of this specifically? There was a couple of billion that has gone missing.

Yes?
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by Grumpy David » Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:34 pm

Alvin Flummux wrote:
Saint of Killers wrote:Apparently, a reason why there may not be a lot of US based people in this leak is because they have States of their own which allow them to do similar kinds of things. Nevada and Delaware, I think.


11.5 million documents is a lot to go through. I think there'll be a good few American and other western figures and companies in there, it's just that maybe they haven't got to them yet?


This might also explain low numbers for USA: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Account_Tax_Compliance_Act

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by Saint of Killers » Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:40 pm

Death's Head wrote:Stepping over the usual arguments between forums, is the Malaysian MP implicated in any of this specifically? There was a couple of billion that has gone missing.


You mean the PM?

Site is getting hammered so I cannot link it directly, but his son is in there: https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/336377

This is the link you want for specific people (as I said, it's getting hammered so may not load at the moment): https://panamapapers.icij.org/the_power_players/

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by bear » Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:50 pm

Fade wrote:The sad thing is, your average Joe isn't going to give a strawberry float about any of this.

Well it looks like the Icelandic PM is going to be fired because of it and the government is on the brink of collapse so I respectfully disagree.

There's a huge amount of politicians across Europe who have been very successful because of their anti-austerity stance. Hypothetically, if Gerry Adams or Martin McGuinness were caught up in these sort of tax dodges then I'd imagine that Sinn Fein as a whole would take a hammering.

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by Trelliz » Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:59 pm

bear wrote:Well it looks like the Icelandic PM is going to be fired because of it and the government is on the brink of collapse so I respectfully disagree.


If the Pirate Party wins a snap election, which according to the most recent polls they would, that would be very interesting indeed.

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by Death's Head » Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:02 pm

Saint of Killers wrote:You mean the PM?


Yes. :fp:

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by Cal » Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:03 pm

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Fade wrote:The sad thing is, your average Joe isn't going to give a strawberry float about any of this.

Well it looks like the Icelandic PM is going to be fired because of it and the government is on the brink of collapse so I respectfully disagree.

There's a huge amount of politicians across Europe who have been very successful because of their anti-austerity stance. Hypothetically, if Gerry Adams or Martin McGuinness were caught up in these sort of tax dodges then I'd imagine that Sinn Fein as a whole would take a hammering.


What would be very useful at this stage is for an independent legal view on all of this. Who controls this data dump (quite possibly stolen, btw)? The ICIJ? By what authority or legal permission are they trawling through this information? This is like a bunch of strangers getting hold of your bank details and deciding to make them publicly available. Anyone have a problem with this?

Under what legal right have these people acted? It's as if the ICIJ have decided personal financial privacy laws (and by implication the right to anonymity) no longer apply.


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