The Poker Thread II

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PostRe: The Poker Thread II
by rinks » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:13 pm

I know it's not about poker, but it is about Phil Ivey:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41751208

I'm a novice on the subject, but isn't that a big old bag of bullshit? I appreciate the judgement that it was "essential that punto banco remained a game of pure chance with neither the casino nor the player being able to beat the randomness of the cards that were dealt", but surely that's the casino's responsibility? If Ivey exploited "minute differences in the patterns on the back of playing cards", the casino should find a way to prevent that in the first place.

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PostRe: The Poker Thread II
by Slayerx » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:26 pm

It's so strange that the casino agreed to his demands on decks and things to give him the edge and I'm sure if he lost millions they would of kept the money.

I'm off to Koln next Tuesday so going to check out the German poker scene.

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PostRe: The Poker Thread II
by rinks » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:35 pm

Slayerx wrote:It's so strange that the casino agreed to his demands on decks and things to give him the edge...

Ah, I didn't know that part of the story. In that case, I suspect they intended all along to use it as a reason not to pay out.

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PostRe: The Poker Thread II
by Slayerx » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:55 pm

rinks wrote:
Slayerx wrote:It's so strange that the casino agreed to his demands on decks and things to give him the edge...

Ah, I didn't know that part of the story. In that case, I suspect they intended all along to use it as a reason not to pay out.


He did this at 2 casinos and asked for certain decks due to them having a defect and he made a few other requests and the casinos all agreed.

The casinos got greedy and because he won millions they then refused to pay him.

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PostRe: The Poker Thread II
by Drumstick » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:20 am

$1m for One Drop back for 2018.

Sadly Chris Ferguson has won a bracelet at the WSOPE and secured POTY.

One man should not have this much power in this game. Luckily I'm not an ordinary man.
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PostRe: The Poker Thread II
by DML » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:25 am

Phil Ivey didn't deserve his money. Edge sorting is obviously banned in casinos.

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PostRe: The Poker Thread II
by Slayerx » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:38 pm

DML wrote:Phil Ivey didn't deserve his money. Edge sorting is obviously banned in casinos.


The casinos agreed to his terms to give him the edge with the decks well known for defects they agreed and comped him to keep him gambling.

They got greed and so now there refusing to pay him.

Nearly the end of the year and I'm up for the year between poker and slots about 6k which has helped with the wedding fund.

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PostRe: The Poker Thread II
by DML » Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:00 pm

Sorry but Ivey doIng that is shady as strawberry float. I don't see him as some 'lad' for beating the game. It's essentially a heist. You wouldn't pay a craps player with loaded dice. They were essentially loaded cards!

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PostRe: The Poker Thread II
by Slayerx » Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:07 pm

DML wrote:Sorry but Ivey doIng that is shady as strawberry float. I don't see him as some 'lad' for beating the game. It's essentially a heist. You wouldn't pay a craps player with loaded dice. They were essentially loaded cards!


I don't seem him as the good guy here but the casinos knew the risks and complied with his requests.

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PostRe: The Poker Thread II
by DML » Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:10 pm

Slayerx wrote:
DML wrote:Sorry but Ivey doIng that is shady as strawberry float. I don't see him as some 'lad' for beating the game. It's essentially a heist. You wouldn't pay a craps player with loaded dice. They were essentially loaded cards!


I don't seem him as the good guy here but the casinos knew the risks and complied with his requests.


But as outlined if a game is found to be fixed later on (for instance loaded dice)....it would be taken back. I'm not sure why this is any different.

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PostRe: The Poker Thread II
by Mini E » Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:13 pm

Anyone tried this Power Up "Poker" on Stars? :slol:

teh bork wrote:The appointment of Moyes is me done with that club until he and the 3 idiots running it have strawberry floated off. I'd boo him, but I think I'll sell my ticket game by game and get some money back. I'm so angry about this, the final nail in the coffin of this great club.
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PostRe: The Poker Thread II
by Mini E » Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:59 pm

Re: Power up poker. Played a $1 game against Jaime Staples tonight live on his stream. I closed the stream so my conscience was clear re: cheating and then promptly lost. Tbf he did have a 2:1 chip lead when we went HU and seemed to hit every flop from what I could see :fp:

teh bork wrote:The appointment of Moyes is me done with that club until he and the 3 idiots running it have strawberry floated off. I'd boo him, but I think I'll sell my ticket game by game and get some money back. I'm so angry about this, the final nail in the coffin of this great club.
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PostRe: The Poker Thread II
by satriales » Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:56 am

I had $20 in my Stars account and on the day it came out I gave Power Poker a go expecting the worst, but actually it was surprisingly fun and the power cards just add an extra layer of skill to poker without taking anything away.
I built my balance up to $90 against people making some obvious mistakes but I've withdrawn it all now. Don't really like the direction Stars is heading, might to another site.

Edit: A couple of tips for power poker. The power cards work well in certain combinations, and also some can be less useful at points in the game. The EMP one is only good if you shove after it, but early on I'm not shoving so I would use that card before folding just to get rid of it and get something better. I never saw anyone else discard cards and often people thought I had misclicked or something, but having three good cards is probably better than having AA.

I often found myself in a situation where I'd fold and the other two players would go at each other using all their points and cards. The next couple of hands you have huge advantage over them and can take down basically any pot if they can't play any good cards.

It's often best to check flop/turn when you are strong because players can destroy the last card. If flop is perfect wait until the turn to bet, if turn is good wait til the river.

On a similar note, a player might look at the next two cards and keep them (or pick one of three), before betting. You can then use the same card to discard the ones they've chosen or use a reload and throw it away. Now it's hard for them to continue.


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