The Politics Thread 4

[Vermilion]

http://metro.co.uk/2018/03/15/mass-outr ... m-7383045/

Found this an interesting read.

[Hypes]

twitter.com/hrtbps/status/974719533029249030

[Meep]

I guess <50 is young for a torie.

[Earfolds]

The last Young Tories group, Activate, was suspended a year ago because they were discovered to be actively supporting the gassing of poor people in online chats.

[KK]

Trending on Apple News this evening...

Jeremy Corbyn supporters ridiculed after claiming BBC 'doctored' Labour leader's 'Lenin cap' to make him 'look more Russian'

A key ally of Jeremy Corbyn has backed claims the BBC manipulated a picture of the Labour leader wearing a hat to make it “look more Russian”.

A recent discussion on BBC Newsnight featured a red backdrop showing Mr Corbyn wearing a so-called “Lenin cap” and positioned next to the Kremlin.

Mr Corbyn has been photographed wearing the soft, flat-topped cap, which is synonymous with Vladimir Lenin, the Russian revolutionary leader, on numerous occasions.

But supporters of the Labour leader claimed the BBC had “doctored” the image to make Mr Corbyn look like a “Soviet stooge” in the wake of the Salisbury spy attack.

It was also claimed the picture of Mr Corbyn wearing the cap had been selected on purpose to make him appear “as Leninesque as possible”.

The allegations sparked a social media firestorm as Mr Corbyn’s supporters attacked the BBC and clashed with many other users who ridiculed the notion that the broadcaster had made changes to the image.

The BBC rejected the claims and said the image of Mr Corbyn “was not altered”.

But the accusations were backed by Laura Pidcock, a Labour MP and shadow business minister, who posted on Twitter: “It might not seem a huge issue that BBC Newsnight photoshopped Jeremy Corbyn’s hat to look more Russian, or that Evan Davis denied it.

“But in the broader context of media smearing of the Labour leader, it becomes pretty unacceptable.”
The accusations were given short shrift by Gavin Shuker, the Labour MP for Luton South, who tweeted: “Corbyn hat people: you’re all loons.”

Mr Davis, the BBC Newsnight presenter, was challenged over the image during a live broadcast and he said “it wasn’t Photoshopped, it was real”.
The BBC News press team challenged the idea that Newsnight had tried to make Mr Corbyn appear “more Russian” by pointing out that the programme had “recycled” a backdrop featuring the Kremlin which is often used during discussions relating to Russia.

Gavin Williamson, the Defence Secretary, was recently pictured on the same backdrop during a similar discussion, the BBC said.

Jess Brammar, the acting editor of BBC Newsnight, also took to Twitter to rubbish the accusations that the image of Mr Corbyn had been manipulated with some supporters of the Labour leader suggesting the cap had been made to appear larger than it actually was.

Ms Brammar said “Newsnight didn’t photoshop a hat” and insisted the programme’s graphics team had simply increased the contrast of the image and “colour treated” it, which she said was “usual treatment for screen graphics as they need more contrast to work through the screens”.

[Moggy]

Trending on Apple News this evening...

Jeremy Corbyn supporters ridiculed after claiming BBC 'doctored' Labour leader's 'Lenin cap' to make him 'look more Russian'

A key ally of Jeremy Corbyn has backed claims the BBC manipulated a picture of the Labour leader wearing a hat to make it “look more Russian”.

A recent discussion on BBC Newsnight featured a red backdrop showing Mr Corbyn wearing a so-called “Lenin cap” and positioned next to the Kremlin.

Mr Corbyn has been photographed wearing the soft, flat-topped cap, which is synonymous with Vladimir Lenin, the Russian revolutionary leader, on numerous occasions.

But supporters of the Labour leader claimed the BBC had “doctored” the image to make Mr Corbyn look like a “Soviet stooge” in the wake of the Salisbury spy attack.

It was also claimed the picture of Mr Corbyn wearing the cap had been selected on purpose to make him appear “as Leninesque as possible”.

The allegations sparked a social media firestorm as Mr Corbyn’s supporters attacked the BBC and clashed with many other users who ridiculed the notion that the broadcaster had made changes to the image.

The BBC rejected the claims and said the image of Mr Corbyn “was not altered”.

But the accusations were backed by Laura Pidcock, a Labour MP and shadow business minister, who posted on Twitter: “It might not seem a huge issue that BBC Newsnight photoshopped Jeremy Corbyn’s hat to look more Russian, or that Evan Davis denied it.

“But in the broader context of media smearing of the Labour leader, it becomes pretty unacceptable.”
The accusations were given short shrift by Gavin Shuker, the Labour MP for Luton South, who tweeted: “Corbyn hat people: you’re all loons.”

Mr Davis, the BBC Newsnight presenter, was challenged over the image during a live broadcast and he said “it wasn’t Photoshopped, it was real”.
The BBC News press team challenged the idea that Newsnight had tried to make Mr Corbyn appear “more Russian” by pointing out that the programme had “recycled” a backdrop featuring the Kremlin which is often used during discussions relating to Russia.

Gavin Williamson, the Defence Secretary, was recently pictured on the same backdrop during a similar discussion, the BBC said.

Jess Brammar, the acting editor of BBC Newsnight, also took to Twitter to rubbish the accusations that the image of Mr Corbyn had been manipulated with some supporters of the Labour leader suggesting the cap had been made to appear larger than it actually was.

Ms Brammar said “Newsnight didn’t photoshop a hat” and insisted the programme’s graphics team had simply increased the contrast of the image and “colour treated” it, which she said was “usual treatment for screen graphics as they need more contrast to work through the screens”.

[Dual]

That's brilliant

[Vermilion]

[Lagamorph]

They did use the exact same backdrop for pictures of other people too. Those people just don't own and wear Lenin caps is all.

[Dual]

He is a communist so not sure why they're so salty.

[Hypes]

I mean there's a clear difference to the one with Pike on where he's completely separate, off-centre and not photoshopped to blend in with the whole thing so it's really a false equivalency

[captain red dog]

Christ, where to start with this drivel.

I don't think we are getting the full story here. I would suspect this was spawned by something the kids learned in class, and probably a lack of quality teaching around the subject. In my experience kids don't know about slave auctions off their own back.

Off their own back? No probably not. But I would expect teenagers to have been taught about the slave trade in school. In fact, they have been since 2008. That's not an excuse to go out and copy what they learned though. These aren't 5 year olds copying something they saw on TV, these are teenagers. Teenagers do not tie kids up and stage mock slave auctions just because their teacher was poor at teaching history.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... ry.schools

I'd also suggest there is an element of sensationalising from the press and media. I'm not sure permanent exclusion is a necessary response. Temporary exclusion and isolation, getting to the bottom of why the kids acted that way and helping them not to repeat that behaviour and understand how offensive it is, would be a far better solution.

strawberry floating hell.

Edit: Also agree with Drumstick. Modern slavery is far more subtle but is alive and well in Britain. Just look at the likes of Sports Direct or any major warehouse operator. They pretty much traffic cheap labour from Eastern Europe and pay them a pittance on easily terminated contracts, with no genuine sick pay, pretty much forbid them to join trade unions. Its basically right on the line of legality when it comes to the slavery laws.

Whataboutism.

Well that's unnecessarily aggressive. I prefer to educate and get to the bottom of why kids seem to be acting in an abhorrent manner, it doesn't excuse their behaviour. If you exclude them it doesn't solve the issue and would likely lead to further acts down the road.

Also there is no whataboutism. Perhaps we shouldn't be surprised to see this sort of thing on the playground when slavery is alive and well in this country.

[Moggy]

Christ, where to start with this drivel.

I don't think we are getting the full story here. I would suspect this was spawned by something the kids learned in class, and probably a lack of quality teaching around the subject. In my experience kids don't know about slave auctions off their own back.

Off their own back? No probably not. But I would expect teenagers to have been taught about the slave trade in school. In fact, they have been since 2008. That's not an excuse to go out and copy what they learned though. These aren't 5 year olds copying something they saw on TV, these are teenagers. Teenagers do not tie kids up and stage mock slave auctions just because their teacher was poor at teaching history.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... ry.schools

I'd also suggest there is an element of sensationalising from the press and media. I'm not sure permanent exclusion is a necessary response. Temporary exclusion and isolation, getting to the bottom of why the kids acted that way and helping them not to repeat that behaviour and understand how offensive it is, would be a far better solution.

strawberry floating hell.

Edit: Also agree with Drumstick. Modern slavery is far more subtle but is alive and well in Britain. Just look at the likes of Sports Direct or any major warehouse operator. They pretty much traffic cheap labour from Eastern Europe and pay them a pittance on easily terminated contracts, with no genuine sick pay, pretty much forbid them to join trade unions. Its basically right on the line of legality when it comes to the slavery laws.

Whataboutism.

Well that's unnecessarily aggressive. I prefer to educate and get to the bottom of why kids seem to be acting in an abhorrent manner, it doesn't excuse their behaviour. If you exclude them it doesn't solve the issue and would likely lead to further acts down the road.

Also there is no whataboutism. Perhaps we shouldn't be surprised to see this sort of thing on the playground when slavery is alive and well in this country.

I get pretty aggressive when kids are being tied up, racially abused and “sold” in mock slave auctions.

My thoughts are with the kid that was attacked, how is he feeling? How is he coping? Does he want to go back to the school if the racist gooseberry fools are allowed back in?

These aren’t 5 year olds, these are teenagers. Getting to the bottom of their behaviour is a good idea, but not at the same bloody school that their victim is at.

And that was whataboutism, we are talking about a kid being attacked for the colour of his skin, not about modern day slavery.

[Rocsteady]

Moggy's being polite when he describes that final paragraph as whataboutism. It is utterly ridiculous nonsense to equate such employment practices and tieing a black kid up and pretending to sell them into a life of slavery.


I went to an complete shithole school and there’s no way that would’ve happened there. strawberry floated up.

[Garth]

twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/975791912920797185

[Moggy]

twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/975791912920797185

[satriales]

Theresa May has been "officially rebuked" for lying during PMQs about police funding:

...the prime minister’s statement and the Home Office’s tweet could have led the public to conclude incorrectly that central government is providing an additional £450m for police spending in 2018/19.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ce-funding

Wonder if she'll be more honest tomorrow?

[Winckle]

Theresa May has been "officially rebuked" for lying during PMQs about police funding:

...the prime minister’s statement and the Home Office’s tweet could have led the public to conclude incorrectly that central government is providing an additional £450m for police spending in 2018/19.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ce-funding

Wonder if she'll be more honest tomorrow?

Doesn't matter does it? The media got their headlines and soundbites, and the lie has run around the world before the truth could get its boots on.

[satriales]

Yeah, today I'm expecting lots of boasting about the "6% pay rise for NHS workers" when actually it's spread over 3 years and still below inflation. Better than 1% but it's still effectively a further pay cut for the nth year in a row.

[Lagamorph]

Yeah, today I'm expecting lots of boasting about the "6% pay rise for NHS workers" when actually it's spread over 3 years and still below inflation. Better than 1% but it's still effectively a further pay cut for the nth year in a row.

And they have to give up a days leave to get it so they're still going to be working additional hours for that money.

The Mail and Express will probably spin it as something like "Greedy consultants on £200,000/year refuse to give up a days holiday to save our NHS!!!!!!!!!1111111"