The Politics Thread 4

[Moggy]

I support a labour government, what I don't support is a Corbyn government.

I’d prefer a Labour government to a Tory one. Can’t stand Corbyn though.

[Rocsteady]

It's really not hard to support the idea of a Tory government

An equally valid argument. I.e. not one at all.

[Hypes]

It's really not hard to support the idea of a Tory government

An equally valid argument. I.e. not one at all.

You what?

[satriales]

Corbyn is enabling this government. With any normal opposition the Tories would have been ripped to shreds by now.

They wouldn't be U-turning all of the time if the opposition was that bad:

https://skwawkbox.org/2017/12/23/effect ... s-in-2017/

[Lex-Man]

Corbyn is enabling this government. With any normal opposition the Tories would have been ripped to shreds by now.

They wouldn't be U-turning all of the time if the opposition was that bad:

https://skwawkbox.org/2017/12/23/effect ... s-in-2017/

But a lot of those things were caused by other people putting pressure on the government not the Labour leadership.

The Brexit deal vote was caused more by independents going to court that the labour party.

The dementia tax u-turn was caused by their own supporters turning on them.

The other thing is that the Tory party suck as well at the moment.

[satriales]

Yeah true that Brexit has been a weak point for Labour, but I do feel that week in and week out they are putting pressure on the government and it is eventually leading to results.

May's botched re-election attempt probably was the biggest cause though. Without that she wasn't in the slight bit concerned about Labour, now she knows that she'd lose another election and is pandering to the electorate a bit, regardless of what the opposition does.

I just wonder if things would be even worse with a different labour that didn't offer anything new. It reminds me of the Lib Dems coalition - everyone thought they were useless and had betrayed their voters, but when they were gone and Tories gained full power it was apparent that the Lib Dems had actually been holding them back all that time.

[Vermilion]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43536830

Brexit isn't the only thing to have been a weak point for Labour.

[Winckle]

I don't for one minute believe that Labour is a more anti-semitic party than any other. In fact the Home Affairs Select Committee reached much the same conclusion.

Is it just because Labour supporters have given up trying to discuss things in this thread that it seems to spend more time criticising Corbyn and Labour than the actual Conservative government?

[Hypes]

Pretty despicable stuff this from the government. Publicly outing someone
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/sh ... 73171.html

twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/977869813673529345

[Squinty]

Seen that reporter on the Marr show. They asked her about the Cambridge Analytica links to the Canadian company and she couldn't get a word in edgeways as Daily Mail woman was beside her. Marr basically rebuked her whole angle in his question to her, I thought it was extremely unfair.

[KK]

Pretty big protest against Jeremy Corbyn/Labour tonight in Westminster. ‘Enough is enough’ is trending on Twitter.

[Hypes]

This all seems massively opportunistic

[Vermilion]

I don't for one minute believe that Labour is a more anti-semitic party than any other.

Then why are Labour's own MP's protesting against what has been happening within the party? There's more to this than just some sort of internal power struggle.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 99546.html

[Hypes]

I don't for one minute believe that Labour is a more anti-semitic party than any other.

Then why are Labour's own MP's protesting against what has been happening within the party? There's more to this than just some sort of internal power struggle.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 99546.html

Hmmm. From that very article:
"Labour MPs John Mann, Chuka Umunna, Wes Streeting, Stella Creasy, Liz Kendall and John Woodcock were among those attending the Monday evening protest."

[Squinty]

Seen that reporter on the Marr show. They asked her about the Cambridge Analytica links to the Canadian company and she couldn't get a word in edgeways as Daily Mail woman was beside her. Marr basically rebuked her whole angle in his question to her, I thought it was extremely unfair.

twitter.com/Otto_English/status/978157827427635201

LOL

And she blocked the guy who raised this with her.

[KK]

Can’t stand that woman. She’s on THE LIST with Owen Jones, Amanda Platell, Richard Littlejohn, Zoe Williams and countless other personality columnists/journalists that get on my nerves and are semi regularly wheeled out on TV and radio to WIND YOU UP.

[satriales]

I don't for one minute believe that Labour is a more anti-semitic party than any other.

Then why are Labour's own MP's protesting against what has been happening within the party? There's more to this than just some sort of internal power struggle.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 99546.html

The whole thing is because 6 years ago Corbyn tried to protect an artist's right to free speech, not realising their painting was anti-Semitic. With everything else going on at the moment this shouldn't be headline news. Corbyn has already made changes in the party to eradicate anti-Semitism, he's clearly not anti-Semitic himself, and this just feels like people with an agenda pushing the story again before the elections.

[NickSCFC]

Are there actually any examples of Labour's antiseminism other than supporting that painting?

[Moggy]

I don’t believe that Corbyn is an anti-semite, or at least I haven’t seen any convincing evidence that he is.

But that painting was clearly anti-semitic and as a public figure (even if at the time he wasn’t as high profile) he ought to have taken a lot more care before commenting on it. It wouldn’t have taken much more than a quick glance to see what was wrong with it.

There does seem to be a problem within Labour of anti-semitic behaviour. Other parties might have a worse problem with racism, but that’s not the point, Labour needs to get rid of the problems within its own party before they can point the finger at anybody else. I can see how far left people get sucked into being anti-semitic, they get so involved with the Palestinian issues that they start to see Zionism everywhere, but Labour as a party needs to take action when justified criticism of Israel tips over into criticism of Jews as a whole.

The first thing they should do to show they are serious is kick idiots like Livingstone out of the party.

[Moggy]

Are there actually any examples of Labour's antiseminism other than supporting that painting?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43539774