The Politics Thread 4

[Errkal]

I've dropped my membership now, I just can't be part of a party that is like it is and that has Corbyn at the helm.

[Moggy]

With the worst Tory government in living memory, Labour should have won last years election and be light years ahead in the polls.

But they are not. And Labour Party members ought to be asking why.

[Hexx]

With the worst Tory government in living memory, Labour should have won last years election and be light years ahead in the polls.

But they are not. And Labour Party members ought to be asking why.

Because people didn't rally behing Corbyn! Everyone else is wrong. Not the Corbynites.

[Moggy]

With the worst Tory government in living memory, Labour should have won last years election and be light years ahead in the polls.

But they are not. And Labour Party members ought to be asking why.

Because people didn't rally behing Corbyn! Everyone else is wrong. Not the Corbynites.

There are three reasons, all of them wrong.

People just need to rally behind him!

HE’S A COWARD WHO WILL NOT TRUST THE MILITARY WHILE ALSO BEING A TERRORIST IN THE IRA AND BEING A SOVIET SPY

JEWS AND HITLER!

The real reasons of course is that Corbyn is weak, doesn’t offer any decent Brexit solutions, has an awful team around him and just doesn’t inspire anybody at all in the centre-left, centre or right.

[Garth]

Corbyn is cited both as a reason why people voted Labour and as a reason why people voted for Conservatives.

Brexit was a big reason for voting for the Tories in the last election, and Labour's new manifesto was a big vote winner too:
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/07/11/wh ... 017-gener/

I found this statistic from the last election particularly interesting:

The tipping point, that is the age at which a voter is more likely to have voted Conservative than Labour, is now 47 – up from 34 at the start of the campaign.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/ho ... -election/

[DML]

With the worst Tory government in living memory, Labour should have won last years election and be light years ahead in the polls.

But they are not. And Labour Party members ought to be asking why.

Because people didn't rally behing Corbyn! Everyone else is wrong. Not the Corbynites.

There are three reasons, all of them wrong.

People just need to rally behind him!

HE’S A COWARD WHO WILL NOT TRUST THE MILITARY WHILE ALSO BEING A TERRORIST IN THE IRA AND BEING A SOVIET SPY

JEWS AND HITLER!

The real reasons of course is that Corbyn is weak, doesn’t offer any decent Brexit solutions, has an awful team around him and just doesn’t inspire anybody at all in the centre-left, centre or right.

Or it could be the SNP seats are still a problem.

[Moggy]

With the worst Tory government in living memory, Labour should have won last years election and be light years ahead in the polls.

But they are not. And Labour Party members ought to be asking why.

Because people didn't rally behing Corbyn! Everyone else is wrong. Not the Corbynites.

There are three reasons, all of them wrong.

People just need to rally behind him!

HE’S A COWARD WHO WILL NOT TRUST THE MILITARY WHILE ALSO BEING A TERRORIST IN THE IRA AND BEING A SOVIET SPY

JEWS AND HITLER!

The real reasons of course is that Corbyn is weak, doesn’t offer any decent Brexit solutions, has an awful team around him and just doesn’t inspire anybody at all in the centre-left, centre or right.

Or it could be the SNP seats are still a problem.

Yeah, the Corbyn problem is actually the SNP.

[Errkal]

With the worst Tory government in living memory, Labour should have won last years election and be light years ahead in the polls.

But they are not. And Labour Party members ought to be asking why.

Because people didn't rally behing Corbyn! Everyone else is wrong. Not the Corbynites.

Basically this, most of the people at the local the party love him, people in local party have been kind of shunned for not voting him in leader elections or outwardly saying they dont like him.

The members wont get rid of him as they all have mega bonners for their lefty leader.

[Vermilion]

Well i voted Labour at the 2010 and 2015 elections, but i refused to do so at the last one, and the main reason for that was Corbyn and his far left rabble.

The direction that the party has taken has put off a lot of traditional Labour voters, and that's why they didn't win in 2017.

[Moggy]

I’ve only ever voted Labour twice in my life. 2015 because of a GRcade vote and 2017 because of a decent local MP and it was a choice between Tory and Labour and I slightly (but only by a tiny sliver) preferred the idea of a Labour government to the Tories.

I am not convinced I’ll vote Labour again if Corbyn remains leader though. I like my local MP, but I dislike the Labour leadership. Hopefully Corbyn will be deposed by then and Labour will move back towards the centre ground.

[DML]

With the worst Tory government in living memory, Labour should have won last years election and be light years ahead in the polls.

But they are not. And Labour Party members ought to be asking why.

Because people didn't rally behing Corbyn! Everyone else is wrong. Not the Corbynites.

There are three reasons, all of them wrong.

People just need to rally behind him!

HE’S A COWARD WHO WILL NOT TRUST THE MILITARY WHILE ALSO BEING A TERRORIST IN THE IRA AND BEING A SOVIET SPY

JEWS AND HITLER!

The real reasons of course is that Corbyn is weak, doesn’t offer any decent Brexit solutions, has an awful team around him and just doesn’t inspire anybody at all in the centre-left, centre or right.

Or it could be the SNP seats are still a problem.

Yeah, the Corbyn problem is actually the SNP.

Well its 27 often Labour seats he has very little chance of winning.

[Drumstick]

I voted Labour for the first time in 2017 because it was the only choice aside from the Tories. That and the new local Labour MP who has been very good.

I just despair for them as a party though. Their goals are all over the place because they aren't a cohesive party.

[DML]

I cannot see myself voting anything but Labour in a new election - and that will be the first time. The local MP is really good.

[Moggy]

With the worst Tory government in living memory, Labour should have won last years election and be light years ahead in the polls.

But they are not. And Labour Party members ought to be asking why.

Because people didn't rally behing Corbyn! Everyone else is wrong. Not the Corbynites.

There are three reasons, all of them wrong.

People just need to rally behind him!

HE’S A COWARD WHO WILL NOT TRUST THE MILITARY WHILE ALSO BEING A TERRORIST IN THE IRA AND BEING A SOVIET SPY

JEWS AND HITLER!

The real reasons of course is that Corbyn is weak, doesn’t offer any decent Brexit solutions, has an awful team around him and just doesn’t inspire anybody at all in the centre-left, centre or right.

Or it could be the SNP seats are still a problem.

Yeah, the Corbyn problem is actually the SNP.

Well its 27 often Labour seats he has very little chance of winning.

With the worst Tory government in living memory, 27 Scottish seats going to a left wing party really shouldn’t be a big problem for a Labour leader who had the ability to appeal to more than the far left voters and the anti-Tory voters.

And 27 seats would still not have given Labour a majority.

[Hypes]

So vote Tory?

[DML]

With the worst Tory government in living memory, Labour should have won last years election and be light years ahead in the polls.

But they are not. And Labour Party members ought to be asking why.

Because people didn't rally behing Corbyn! Everyone else is wrong. Not the Corbynites.

There are three reasons, all of them wrong.

People just need to rally behind him!

HE’S A COWARD WHO WILL NOT TRUST THE MILITARY WHILE ALSO BEING A TERRORIST IN THE IRA AND BEING A SOVIET SPY

JEWS AND HITLER!

The real reasons of course is that Corbyn is weak, doesn’t offer any decent Brexit solutions, has an awful team around him and just doesn’t inspire anybody at all in the centre-left, centre or right.

Or it could be the SNP seats are still a problem.

Yeah, the Corbyn problem is actually the SNP.

Well its 27 often Labour seats he has very little chance of winning.

With the worst Tory government in living memory, 27 Scottish seats going to a left wing party really shouldn’t be a big problem for a Labour leader who had the ability to appeal to more than the far left voters and the anti-Tory voters.

And 27 seats would still not have given Labour a majority.

I just don't agree it should be so easy. The elections are heavily weighed in favour of the blue party right now. I think Corbyn is doing far, far better than you realise.

[Moggy]

With the worst Tory government in living memory, Labour should have won last years election and be light years ahead in the polls.

But they are not. And Labour Party members ought to be asking why.

Because people didn't rally behing Corbyn! Everyone else is wrong. Not the Corbynites.

There are three reasons, all of them wrong.

People just need to rally behind him!

HE’S A COWARD WHO WILL NOT TRUST THE MILITARY WHILE ALSO BEING A TERRORIST IN THE IRA AND BEING A SOVIET SPY

JEWS AND HITLER!

The real reasons of course is that Corbyn is weak, doesn’t offer any decent Brexit solutions, has an awful team around him and just doesn’t inspire anybody at all in the centre-left, centre or right.

Or it could be the SNP seats are still a problem.

Yeah, the Corbyn problem is actually the SNP.

Well its 27 often Labour seats he has very little chance of winning.

With the worst Tory government in living memory, 27 Scottish seats going to a left wing party really shouldn’t be a big problem for a Labour leader who had the ability to appeal to more than the far left voters and the anti-Tory voters.

And 27 seats would still not have given Labour a majority.

I just don't agree it should be so easy. The elections are heavily weighed in favour of the blue party right now. I think Corbyn is doing far, far better than you realise.

I don’t like the man, but Tony Blair would have ripped Theresa May a new arsehole if he had arrived on the scene last year.

May ran an appallingly bad campaign, Corbyn did better than expected. But he should have been able to beat her and I think a decent Labour leader would have.

How was the 2017 election any more weighted in favour of the blue party than the 1997, 2001 and 2005 elections?

[Regginator3]

I've never seen the big deal about organ donation, personally. You're, well, dead. You're either going to be set on fire or rot in the ground. May as well do some good with it beforehand if possible.

I think there's a perception/concern/urban myth that doctors won't work so hard to save your life if you're an organ donor because they want you to due for your organs.

I don’t understand that argument, why would doctors let somebody die so that somebody else doesn’t die?

The argument is that your multiple organs wouldn't save one person's life, it'd save more than that - the number of healthy organs you can donate. EG if you're dying but still have a healthy kidney, liver, and heart (perhaps you're dying of blood loss, idk) then you could potentially save 3 people, which is greater than 1.

It's a completely utilitarian argument, it makes sense and all, but there's no evidence whatsoever backing the idea that doctors would ever do this. It goes against their oath, not to mention it would cause extremely bad press if this sort of practice was found to happen - and the potential negatives severely outweigh the potential positives for the doctor as an individual.

[Regginator3]

There are three reasons, all of them wrong.

People just need to rally behind him!

HE’S A COWARD WHO WILL NOT TRUST THE MILITARY WHILE ALSO BEING A TERRORIST IN THE IRA AND BEING A SOVIET SPY

JEWS AND HITLER!

The real reasons of course is that Corbyn is weak, doesn’t offer any decent Brexit solutions, has an awful team around him and just doesn’t inspire anybody at all in the centre-left, centre or right.

I mean the second one is somewhat true (not being a spy/terrorist himself, but he did support the IRA as did his associates). Though you're right regarding the biggest reason, especially regarding Brexit. It's the biggest challenge our country faces and he has no clue what he is talking about.

I voted Labour in 2017 and highly regret it. Was hoping I'd get my local MP replaced (there was a huge chance of this happening), never expected Labour to thrive around the country

[Moggy]

I've never seen the big deal about organ donation, personally. You're, well, dead. You're either going to be set on fire or rot in the ground. May as well do some good with it beforehand if possible.

I think there's a perception/concern/urban myth that doctors won't work so hard to save your life if you're an organ donor because they want you to due for your organs.

I don’t understand that argument, why would doctors let somebody die so that somebody else doesn’t die?

The argument is that your multiple organs wouldn't save one person's life, it'd save more than that - the number of healthy organs you can donate. EG if you're dying but still have a healthy kidney, liver, and heart (perhaps you're dying of blood loss, idk) then you could potentially save 3 people, which is greater than 1.

It's a completely utilitarian argument, it makes sense and all, but there's no evidence whatsoever backing the idea that doctors would ever do this. It goes against their oath, not to mention it would cause extremely bad press if this sort of practice was found to happen - and the potential negatives severely outweigh the potential positives for the doctor as an individual.

I thought of that after I wrote it, yeah more than one person could be saved by taking the organs of one person.

The argument still doesn’t make sense though, doctors want to save their patient, not harvest them so some other doctors can save their patients. The argument only makes sense if you assume doctors are psychopaths.