The Politics Thread 4

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by KK » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:39 pm





Commons debate on Syria has just ended. 140 questions answered by PM; Corbyn, May and parliament on the floor for a total of 6 hours. Impressive stuff.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 4
by Skarjo » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:05 am

Christ, when even the Daily Mail frames kicking out immigrants into a bad thing you know it's a cut and dry case.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 4
by Vermilion » Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:58 am

Yep, the treatment is even more appalling when you consider the fact that they were initially invited to come and work here by the govt of the day.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 4
by Errkal » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:02 am

That's what happens when you try and pander to racists rather than telling to go strawberry float themselves.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 4
by Moggy » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:04 am

Errkal wrote:That's what happens when you try and pander to racists rather than telling to go strawberry float themselves.


The last few years have taught me that we now have a bloody good answer when some fuckwit says "Why can't we just have a discussion on immigration?".

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 4
by Moggy » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:17 am

This guy is so unbelievably stupid. :lol:



Edit:

This is spot on.


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PostRe: The Politics Thread 4
by Dual » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:20 am

Wow :lol:

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 4
by Rex Kramer » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:56 am

Moggy wrote:

:lol:


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PostRe: The Politics Thread 4
by KK » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:37 am

The Sun Says

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AMBER Rudd has to start getting a grip on the Home Office.

The incompetence revealed by the scandalous treatment of Windrush immigrants is staggering.

Within hours, the Home Secretary and her Minister inexplicably contradicted each other on whether any of these Brits were wrongly deported.

Ms Rudd cannot shirk the blame. She has been in her job for nearly two years.

Her boss, the Prime Minister, was Home Secretary before that. Any failings are on the Government’s watch.

Those affected must be assured that they can stay in the country to which they have contributed so much. The Home Office has to sort out this mess.

Otherwise how can Ugandan Asians — or 3million Europeans who have been rightly told they can stay after Brexit — have any confidence in the system?

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by Moggy » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:40 am

I am loving the reaction from the likes of the Sun and Daily Mail to the Windrush story.

Who ever would have thought that all of their headlines over the last few years might lead to something like this? :slol:

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by Knoyleo » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:48 am

KK wrote:
The Sun Says

Rudderless

AMBER Rudd has to start getting a grip on the Home Office.

The incompetence revealed by the scandalous treatment of Windrush immigrants is staggering.

Within hours, the Home Secretary and her Minister inexplicably contradicted each other on whether any of these Brits were wrongly deported.

Ms Rudd cannot shirk the blame. She has been in her job for nearly two years.

Her boss, the Prime Minister, was Home Secretary before that. Any failings are on the Government’s watch.

Those affected must be assured that they can stay in the country to which they have contributed so much. The Home Office has to sort out this mess.

Otherwise how can Ugandan Asians — or 3million Europeans who have been rightly told they can stay after Brexit — have any confidence in the system?

Can't believe a forumite from here would end up writing for a shitrag like the sun.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 4
by Rex Kramer » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:49 am

I can't read these Sun and Mail headlines without thinking it's less about the Windrush generation and more about sticking a knife in to May and Rudd and lining up behind JRM.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 4
by Moggy » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:53 am

Rex Kramer wrote:I can't read these Sun and Mail headlines without thinking it's less about the Windrush generation and more about sticking a knife in to May and Rudd and lining up behind JRM.


That’s a definite possibility. JRM was very quick to speak out against the deportations of the Windrush generation…..

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 4
by Moggy » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:24 pm





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PostRe: The Politics Thread 4
by BID0 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:25 pm

I couldn’t find the WWIII thread


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PostRe: The Politics Thread 4
by Cuttooth » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:02 pm

In the week of the 50th anniversary of Enoch Powell’s disgusting Rivers of Blood speech, Britain finds itself detaining and harassing the children of the Caribbean migrants who came here, at our invitation, to help to rebuild the country and its industry after the Second World War.

Named after the first ship that brought them here, the Windrush generation made their lives here, paid their taxes here, and enriched our society.

They or their parents never applied for passports because they didn’t need them and they trusted Britain when, in 1971, they were promised they had “indefinite leave to remain” by a progressive Conservative Prime Minister who had courageously rejected Mr Powell and his fellow nativist populists.

Now, decades later, when these Windrush children apply for a new job, try to open a bank account, rent a property, get NHS treatment, seek support from the benefit system or travel abroad, they suddenly find they don’t have the right documents.

Some have been threatened with detention; a few may even have been deported — no one, including the Government, knows.

The Home Office is now in a panic, setting up emergency teams to help and promising assistance.

The Home Secretary has apologised and said her department “sometimes loses sight of the individual”. The Prime Minister today says “sorry” too.

Privately, Downing Street tells us she is “furious” that her chance to shine at the Commonwealth conference in London has been ruined.

But there is no escaping the simple truth. The treatment of the Windrush generation was not a mistake or an oversight by an unwieldy bureaucracy.

It results from a deliberate act of policy. It was Mrs May, as Home Secretary, who pursued a relentless drive to make life in Britain impossible for those who, her department believed, were here illegally — all in pursuit of an arbitrary and elusive target of reducing net migration to below 100,000.

Banks were required by law to see correct immigration documents. Landlords and employers were made to demand the same.

The Right-wing media railed against migrants coming here to use the NHS, so the Health Secretary announced, to Tory applause, new passport checks before patients were admitted to hospitals. A succession of welfare ministers made announcements about clamping down on benefits for foreigners.

Then the Brexiteers harnessed age-old hostility to immigrants to win majority support for their minority concerns about Parliamentary sovereignty.

Labour politicians anxious to reconnect with the angry populist mood said they too would act against so-called “uncontrolled immigration”.

Now Britain is reaping what it sowed.

A nation built by immigrants, from Angles and Saxons, to Huguenots and Jews, African-Caribbeans, South Asians, Chinese and Europeans, has allowed anti-immigration populists to dictate its politics.

It is a sight to behold, watching those who have spent a decade fuming about the ills of immigration now shedding crocodile tears about the mistreatment of the Windrush children.

They should have the self-awareness to realise that this is where they have led this country.


https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comm ... 16056.html

This is good from the Evening Standard. Theresa May should not be allowed to run away from the mess she set up as Home Secretary.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 4
by Dual » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:02 pm

I'm glad the Daily Mail and Sun are giving the Windrush Generation failure front page attention. Seems like one of those things the average person would not see or appreciate the magnitude of otherwise.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 4
by Squinty » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:17 pm

Man, this gets even worse, home office really strawberry floated it.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 4
by Moggy » Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:00 pm

Cuttooth wrote:
Privately, Downing Street tells us she is “furious” that her chance to shine at the Commonwealth conference in London has been ruined.

But there is no escaping the simple truth. The treatment of the Windrush generation was not a mistake or an oversight by an unwieldy bureaucracy.

It results from a deliberate act of policy. It was Mrs May, as Home Secretary, who pursued a relentless drive to make life in Britain impossible for those who, her department believed, were here illegally — all in pursuit of an arbitrary and elusive target of reducing net migration to below 100,000.

Banks were required by law to see correct immigration documents. Landlords and employers were made to demand the same.

The Right-wing media railed against migrants coming here to use the NHS, so the Health Secretary announced, to Tory applause, new passport checks before patients were admitted to hospitals. A succession of welfare ministers made announcements about clamping down on benefits for foreigners.

Then the Brexiteers harnessed age-old hostility to immigrants to win majority support for their minority concerns about Parliamentary sovereignty.

Labour politicians anxious to reconnect with the angry populist mood said they too would act against so-called “uncontrolled immigration”.

Now Britain is reaping what it sowed.


That sums everything up brilliantly.

Theresa May is furious that she has been shown up? THEY WERE YOUR strawberry floating POLICIES YOU MAD USELESS banana split. :x

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 4
by Vermilion » Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:19 pm

Cuttooth wrote:This is good from the Evening Standard. Theresa May should not be allowed to run away from the mess she set up as Home Secretary.


The Evening Standard were always going to slaughter May anyways, it is after all, George Osborne's paper.

At least this time they were right to do so.


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