The Politics Thread 4

[Squinty]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... th-schools

Did a bit of digging, might be worth a read. I was curious about the amount of faith based schools.

[Moggy]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/maintained-faith-schools

Did a bit of digging, might be worth a read. I was curious about the amount of faith based schools.

That can’t be right, only 11 Muslim “maintained faith” schools in the whole of England?

[Lex-Man]

How much should you intervene though. This feels like both communities choosing not to integrate and I suspect forced integration could make things a lot worse.

On the subject of faith schools, are Islamic schools doing something different to C of E schools? We have just been looking at schools for our son and to be honest I found it difficult to tell C of E schools apart from normal state schools, how are Islamic schools different?

I'm advocating banning all C of E schools as well. Only mixed faith schools allowed. That said it'd still be be difficult to get people to integrate. I worked in a school near Heathrow and they had no white English students in the whole school.

[Rex Kramer]

Henry Bolton desperately clinging to the leadership of UKIP is just about the funniest story I've read in ages.

[Hexx]

Henry Bolton desperately clinging to the leadership of UKIP is just about the funniest story I've read in ages.

I quite like the fact UKIP had an entire shadow cabinet (all resigning it seems) that no one heard of

[Lotus]

Short of basically making the state no longer fund Islamic schools in Blackburn thereby forcing parents to send their kids to Non Islamic state schools where they'd mix with white children, it's hard to see a long term "organic" fix.

The fact that islamic schools exist at all beggars belief. Education and religion should be kept entirely separate.

[captain red dog]

Short of basically making the state no longer fund Islamic schools in Blackburn thereby forcing parents to send their kids to Non Islamic state schools where they'd mix with white children, it's hard to see a long term "organic" fix.

The fact that islamic schools exist at all beggars belief. Education and religion should be kept entirely separate.

Not necessarily. I'm an atheist but if people want to raise their children and have them educated under a religious framework then they should be free to do so. However this needs to be regulated and schools should have to cover a national curriculum. I think the problem comes with the likes of "free schools" where they can work outside of that framework.

In my mind free schools and academies have been an absolute disaster.

[Garth]

The fact that islamic schools exist at all beggars belief. Education and religion should be kept entirely separate.

Probably dwarfed by the number of Catholic and Church of England schools.

[Lotus]

I'd rather the religious elements of any upbringing be kept to the home, i.e. done by the parents/family. Creating different educational institutions based on differing beliefs just furthers division IMO.

[Dual]

Slight difference between C of E and Islamic schools I imagine.

One won't be promoting radicalism for a start.

[Lex-Man]

Short of basically making the state no longer fund Islamic schools in Blackburn thereby forcing parents to send their kids to Non Islamic state schools where they'd mix with white children, it's hard to see a long term "organic" fix.

The fact that islamic schools exist at all beggars belief. Education and religion should be kept entirely separate.

Not necessarily. I'm an atheist but if people want to raise their children and have them educated under a religious framework then they should be free to do so. However this needs to be regulated and schools should have to cover a national curriculum. I think the problem comes with the likes of "free schools" where they can work outside of that framework.

In my mind free schools and academies have been an absolute disaster.

There are only two free schools in the country but any academy school in the UK is free to set its own curriculum. I think that the negatives of faith-based schools created social division out weigh my general free choice attitude. If people are going to live in the country together we all have to be able to talk to each other.

[Moggy]

Slight difference between C of E and Islamic schools I imagine.

One won't be promoting radicalism for a start.

That reads as if you think all Islamic schools promote extremism.

[KK]

I know a few years ago there were 6 Islamic schools in Tower Hamlets alone that were deemed to be either at high risk of extremism or promoting a poor understanding of British life, so I'm certainly curious as to what's really going on in some of these schools. There was some dubious goings on at a few Jewish schools as well.

[Lex-Man]

I know a few years ago there were 6 Islamic schools in Tower Hamlets alone that were deemed to be either at high risk of extremism or promoting a poor understanding of British life, so I'm certainly curious as to what's really going on in some of these schools. There was some dubious goings on at a few Jewish schools as well.

It might not be the school. I worked in a school near Heathrow and we had to have a load of prevent training because people were targeting the kids at the school towards extremist ideologies.

[Dual]

Slight difference between C of E and Islamic schools I imagine.

One won't be promoting radicalism for a start.

That reads as if you think all Islamic schools promote extremism.

No just a few in Birmingham from a few years ago.

Wouldn't be surprised if it's happening in other deprived areas as well.

[OrangeRKN]

We live in a country where parents are primarily responsible for their children's education, not the state, and therefore it is nearly impossible to regulate all education.

I'm still undecided on whether I think that it is correct to give parents the ultimate choice over the state for their children's education, but where the state is involved I think religion should not be.

I'm a big fan of the separation of church and state, which is unfortunate when our head of state is also the head of the Church of England.

[Photek]

The fact that islamic schools exist at all beggars belief. Education and religion should be kept entirely separate.

Probably dwarfed by the number of Catholic and Church of England schools.

We should all adopt the french rule of not allowing religious practices or symbols be seen in public.

[Squinty]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/maintained-faith-schools

Did a bit of digging, might be worth a read. I was curious about the amount of faith based schools.

That can’t be right, only 11 Muslim “maintained faith” schools in the whole of England?

It does seem quite low.

[Preezy]

I went to a C of E primary for a few years, probably helped to crystalise my militant atheism

C of E is very benign though, not like those crazy Cathlicks and Muzzies!

[Cheeky Devlin]

I went to a C of E primary for a few years, probably helped to crystalise my militant atheism

C of E is very benign though, not like those crazy Cathlicks and Muzzies!