The Politics Thread 4

[TigaSefi]

Still won’t sack Diane Abbott though.

[captain red dog]

One less right wing Blairite in the shadow cabinet though.

[Errkal]

Still won’t sack Diane Abbott though.

Oh no, he's sacked her.

[TigaSefi]

Still won’t sack Diane Abbott though.

Oh no, he's sacked her.

Bluergh!

What with the mural and anti-Semitism hoo-haa, my twitter blown up big time.

[KK]

More on the mural...

Jeremy Corbyn Criticised By Labour MP For Appearing To Defend Anti-Semitic Painting

Jeremy Corbyn has been criticised by one of his own MPs for appearing to condemn the removal of an anti-Semitic mural.

On Friday afternoon Liverpool Wavertree MP Lucia Berger posted a screengrab from a Facebook post by artist MEAR ONE in 2012.

In it the artist complained that their painting, featuring caricatures of Jewish men playing monopoly, was being painted over.

The artist wrote: “Tomorrow they want to buff my mural. Freedom of expression. London calling. Public art.”

Corbyn commented on the post: “Why? You are in good company. Rockerfeller destroyed Diego Viera’s mural because it includes a picture of Lenin.”

A spokesperson for the Labour leader said: “In 2012, Jeremy was responding to concerns about the removal of public art on grounds of freedom of speech.

“However, the mural was offensive, used antisemitic imagery, which has no place in our society, and it is right that it was removed.”

Berger, the parliamentary chair of Jewish Labour, said on Twitter she had asked Corbyn’s office for an “explanation”.

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This topic seems to follow Jeremy Corbyn and Ken Livingstoned around like a bad smell.

twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/977278852765552640

[Moggy]

Corbyn

[Vermilion]

I bet Corbyn would love to spend some more time in her patch.

[DML]

Can we have a proper opposition and not a different shade of gooseberry fool please?

Its no good saying 'vote Lib Dems' because they won't get in!

[Vermilion]

Its no good saying 'vote Lib Dems' because they won't get in!

Thank god for that.

[Moggy]

Its no good saying 'vote Lib Dems' because they won't get in!

Thank god for that.

The trouble is the only choices we have are May's Conservatives, Corbyn's Labour or Cable's Lib Dems.

In other words, no choice. None of those are any good. None of those inspire people (other than Corbynite weirdos).

We are in one of the biggest political upheavals in our lifetimes and there is nobody there to represent the majority of people.

Brexit supporters? Does May really represent them? Does Corbyn (assuming he is in a pro-Leave mood when asked)?

EU supporters? Does Cable really represent them? Caroline Lucas is decent, but her party is a joke.

[Hypes]

Vote Renew

[Moggy]

Vote Renew

It's weird, as much as I moan about there being nobody that represents me and my views, I also think voting for a party like Renew is pointless as they will never actually be in a position to have any power. It's a vicious circle, I want somebody to represent me, I don't vote for parties that could represent me if I think they have no chance.

Having said that, I used to vote Lib Dem, so maybe I am comfortable wasting a vote....

[Errkal]

Vote Renew

It's weird, as much as I moan about there being nobody that represents me and my views, I also think voting for a party like Renew is pointless as they will never actually be in a position to have any power. It's a vicious circle, I want somebody to represent me, I don't vote for parties that could represent me if I think they have no chance.

Having said that, I used to vote Lib Dem, so maybe I am comfortable wasting a vote....

UKIP managed to strawberry float everything without getting power, done right it doesn't matter if you dont get power.

[Lagamorph]

People really need to strawberry float off with this "Well I want to vote for them but they'll never get in" attitude. You know why they won't get in? Because people think they'll never get in so don't vote for them.

Vote for who you want, even if you don't think they'll win. How else are your views supposed to come across? It's no good settling for "Well I don't really agree with them, but I'll vote Labour since they're not the Conservatives" since all that says is "I fully endorse the Labour party" whether you mean it to or not.
Look at the constituency in Scotland where the Lib Dems lost out to the SNP by only 2 votes. How many people up there might have thought "Well the Lib Dems won't win so I won't vote for them" ? All it took was 3 people thinking that to completely change the result.

[Moggy]

Vote Renew

It's weird, as much as I moan about there being nobody that represents me and my views, I also think voting for a party like Renew is pointless as they will never actually be in a position to have any power. It's a vicious circle, I want somebody to represent me, I don't vote for parties that could represent me if I think they have no chance.

Having said that, I used to vote Lib Dem, so maybe I am comfortable wasting a vote....

UKIP managed to strawberry float everything without getting power, done right it doesn't matter if you dont get power.

They kind of had power, they had plenty of MEPs.

I know what you mean though, I don't see a centre-left pro Europe party ever having the effect that UKIP did though. "Normal" centre politics will never get the coverage and obtain the outrage that parties like UKIP used to forward their agendas.

[Meep]

Corbyn is enabling this government. With any normal opposition the Tories would have been ripped to shreds by now.

It's hard to support the idea of a Labour government at the moment no matter where your position lies in regards to policy. They simply are not up to the task. If they can a country the same way as they are running the party it would be disaster.

Collectively the reasonable Labour MPs and reasonable Conservative MPs have a large majority. It is my hope that as things become more desperate they eventually act against their leaderships to avert catastrophe.

[Moggy]

People really need to strawberry float off with this "Well I want to vote for them but they'll never get in" attitude. You know why they won't get in? Because people think they'll never get in so don't vote for them.

Well that's what I said. I get that, but at the same time politics at the moment is about more than just your preferred candidate winning. Tactical voting might be wrong, it might be counter productive in a lot of ways, but it is also necessary.

If you want the Tories out and live in an area where it is a tightly contested fight between the Tories and Labour, what are you supposed to do? Vote for a party that will only pick up 20 other votes?

FPTP is the problem, so many votes are wasted and it encourages tactical voting to keep out those you don't want, rather than putting in who you do want.

Look at the referendum promise that Cameron made, was it a deeply held belief that the people should have a say, or was he looking at the 3 or 4 million votes that UKIP had (for only a couple of MPs) and thought "hmm I might be able to take some of those votes in the future and it could tip the balance against Labour"?

I agree 100% that it is wrong. But it is reality, at least it is until we ditch FPTP. Which will be a bloody long time as neither main party will want to get rid of it.

[Moggy]

Corbyn is enabling this government. With any normal opposition the Tories would have been ripped to shreds by now.

It's hard to support the idea of a Labour government at the moment no matter where your position lies in regards to policy. They simply are not up to the task. If they can a country the same way as they are running the party it would be disaster.

Collectively the reasonable Labour MPs and reasonable Conservative MPs have a large majority. It is my hope that as things become more desperate they eventually act against their leaderships to avert catastrophe.

If the centre of Labour and the centre of the Conservatives came together and formed a new party, we might have a chance. The hard right Tories and far left Labour can then strawberry float off and die.

I don't see it happening though.

[Hypes]

It's really not hard to support the idea of a Labour government

[Errkal]

I support a labour government, what I don't support is a Corbyn government.