The Politics Thread 4

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by Preezy » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:00 pm

Don't be jealous, Hexx, it wasn't very big.

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by Hyperion » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:01 pm

I've been round the Parliamentary archives, but not on a tour of the chambers.
I have had a tour of the Canadian parliament and the Bundestag

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by Lagamorph » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:28 pm

I went to the finance office of my local council once when my mum worked there, so basically the same thing.

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by TigaSefi » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:38 pm

Strange rebuttal there by Comrade Corbyn. Didn’t deny any parts of the smear.

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by Hyperion » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:41 pm

Why's he got to rebut the fact that Laga's mum worked at the local council?

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by Moggy » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:46 pm

Hyperion wrote:Why's he got to rebut the fact that Laga's mum worked at the local council?


:lol:

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by KK » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:47 pm

Buzzfeed wrote:The Tory Housing Minister Was In A Private Facebook Group That Wants To Sell Off All Council Housing
The closed group called "The Ultras" also argues for privatising healthcare and the return of workhouses for debtors. Dominic Raab says he wasn't aware he was part of it

The Conservatives’ new housing minister Dominic Raab belonged to a private Facebook group that argues for council housing to be sold off at market value, healthcare to be privatised, and the return of workhouses for the poor.

Raab was, until Thursday morning, one of 14 members of a closed group called the “British Ultra Liberal Youth — The Ultras”, which was set up about 7 years ago. He withdrew from the group after being approached for comment.

Raab told BuzzFeed News: "I wasn't aware of this group, let alone that I had inadvertently and mistakenly been linked on Facebook. I have corrected it, and needless to say I do not support its aims."

Because the group is closed, BuzzFeed News is unable to see activity within the group — just the description and membership. There had been no new posts or members join in the last 30 days.

According to the group's "About" page, it believes that "Britain is a nation that has been shooting at it's (sic) own feet for too long" and that "too much tolerance of socialism has cost us a trillion pounds".

“If this were a football field,” the description continues, "we would be racing down the right wing so close to the touchline, we would be doing so very carefully making sure we don’t put our feet outside the field of play.”

It is the duty of members, it adds, to pressure mainstream Conservatives into realising that selling off council housing, ending free healthcare, and bringing back workhouses for debtors were policies that "have found their time to enter Britain".

At the time of publishing, the 13 other members appeared to include another current Tory MP, Henry Smith; a former Tory MP; and others who have stood unsuccessfully for parliament for the Conservatives or UKIP.

Smith was unavailable to comment because he is travelling, but an aide said he wouldn't have voluntarily joined the group, and that he hasn't used that Facebook account for more than a year. "Certainly someone may have added him to the group and he clearly didn’t notice but he definitely does not join any such groups himself," the staffer said.

According to Facebook, you can be added to a closed group if you're friends with someone in that group, and you'll receive a notification that you've been added.

Raab joined Facebook in 2010 and uses his account to publicise his work as an MP and minister. In one recent post, he promoted an opinion piece he wrote for the Daily Telegraph about the government's £866 million investment in local housing projects. Housing is "one of the great social challenges of our generation," Raab wrote.

Raab, 43, was appointed housing minister in Theresa May’s new year reshuffle, putting him in charge of one of the Conservatives' top policy priorities. Addressing the housing crisis has been one of the party's main concerns after it polled significantly worse than Jeremy Corbyn's Labour among voters under 40 at the last election, and the prime minister has said she will make it her personal mission to get more people into home ownership.

Raab was a City lawyer and Foreign Office official before becoming a parliamentary aide to David Davis. He was elected MP for Esher and Walton in 2010 and was a minister in the justice department before moving to housing last month.

Having been tipped as one of the rising stars on the Tory right, Raab was seen as unlucky not to be given a cabinet position during the reshuffle last month.

He was criticised during last year's general election campaign for saying on the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire show that food bank users typically aren't poor but have a "cashflow problem episodically".

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 4
by Preezy » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:53 pm

Workhouses :lol:

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by Moggy » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:00 pm

Preezy wrote:Workhouses :lol:


You laugh, but I bet there are a fair few current MPs that would vote for their return.

The Workhouses were only closed in 1930 (or 1948 depending on who you believe), that's really not very long ago.

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by OrangeRakoon » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:02 pm

It sounds like parody :lol:

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by satriales » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:26 pm

I'd be more surprised if he was in a group that didn't want to sell council-owned houses and the NHS.

Just imagine if they actually embraced their real intentions and ran their election campaign telling the truth of what they wanted to do, they'd have never got elected!

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by Moggy » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:30 pm

satriales wrote:I'd be more surprised if he was in a group that didn't want to sell council-owned houses and the NHS.

Just imagine if they actually embraced their real intentions and ran their election campaign telling the truth of what they wanted to do, they'd have never got elected!


Or they would have won in a landslide. ;)

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by Moggy » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:37 pm

Moggy wrote:
Preezy wrote:Workhouses :lol:


You laugh, but I bet there are a fair few current MPs that would vote for their return.

The Workhouses were only closed in 1930 (or 1948 depending on who you believe), that's really not very long ago.


This might be more Brexit related but seems to fit better with this conversation.


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by KK » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:51 pm

A lot of countries still force national service (Finland, Austria, South Korea, Norway, Sweden) so comparatively it's not the most outrageous suggestion in the world if it was optional.

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by lex-man » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:38 pm

KK wrote:A lot of countries still force national service (Finland, Austria, South Korea, Norway, Sweden) so comparatively it's not the most outrageous suggestion in the world if it was optional.


But her idea sounds like it's not optional. Also during my first time at Uni, I spent my summers doing work experience in the sector that I wanted to work in (the media industry) and I know plenty of other students who did the same. If I had to go and pick fruit and veg all summer long I wouldn't have spent the time being exploited by new media in the vain hope of getting a career out of it.

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by Karl » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:31 pm

Forced labour is always wrong. The fact it was acceptable in the past or a few other countries do it doesn't justify it.

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by Moggy » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:33 pm

KK wrote:A lot of countries still force national service (Finland, Austria, South Korea, Norway, Sweden) so comparatively it's not the most outrageous suggestion in the world if it was optional.


Forgetting whether national service is right or wrong, the suggestion in that letter was to force students to pick fruit because farmers will not be able to afford to pay wages post Brexit.

Do you really think that isn’t an outrageous suggestion?

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by Karl » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:34 pm

That too.

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by Lagamorph » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:34 pm

But I thought not sending all that money to the EU every week meant we could pay all the subsidies they get and fund the NHS and have loads left.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 4
by bear » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:43 pm

Imagine being a farmer who has to train up a fresh set of students with next to no experience of physical labour every couple of months because apparently that's a better solution than getting processors to pay a better/fairer price for fruit and veg.


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