The Politics Thread 4

[DML]

Is it not just better to allow people to live their lives how they want? Its not like its illegal.

[OrangeRKN]

Is it not just better to allow people to live their lives how they want? Its not like its illegal.

Appeal to legality is kind of circular logic if you're trying to decide the law for something?

[satriales]

I went to a C of E primary for a few years, probably helped to crystalise my militant atheism

Same. I don't think it was any different to non-C of E schools except they said a prayer once a day during assembly. None of my mates there turned out religious though.

[satriales]

In other (fake) news:

The UK government is to establish a new unit to counter fake news.

There's no way they are going to go after themselves or May's mates at The Daily Mail, so this in itself is just fake news.

[Moggy]

I went to a C of E primary for a few years, probably helped to crystalise my militant atheism

Same. I don't think it was any different to non-C of E schools except they said a prayer once a day during assembly. None of my mates there turned out religious though.

I went to a non-CoE school and we still had to have a hymn and a prayer. It’s actually required, whether the school is religious or not.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... in-schools

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-34802820

[captain red dog]

Is it not just better to allow people to live their lives how they want? Its not like its illegal.

Totally agree with this. If you want to send your kids to a faith school then you should be allowed to, although I would expect those schools to follow a national curriculum.

Im a staunch atheist but I am not an anti-theist. I don't want to see us go down the French route which leads to banning certain clothing.

[That]

Religious schools should not exist. You can teach your children whatever nonsense you like at the weekends.

[captain red dog]

Religious schools should not exist. You can teach your children whatever nonsense you like at the weekends.

If a group of people want to educate their kids in a Christian or Islamic framework then I don't think the state has any business stopping them.

[Hexx]

It’s child abuse

[Oblomov Boblomov]

Is it not just better to allow people to live their lives how they want? Its not like its illegal.

Totally agree with this. If you want to send your kids to a faith school then you should be allowed to, although I would expect those schools to follow a national curriculum.

Im a staunch atheist but I am not an anti-theist. I don't want to see us go down the French route which leads to banning certain clothing.

It's different because we're talking about children, who for obvious reasons should be protected from 'learning' utter bollocks during their formative years.

Allow adults to live their lives how they want (within the law) sure, I'm all for it.

[That]

It's different because we're talking about children, who for obvious reasons should be protected from 'learning' utter bollocks during their formative years.

I think this gets to the heart of it.

Anecdote time! I went to a COE primary. I vividly remember a science teacher [EDIT: teacher in a science lesson? I think we were too young for separate subject teachers] using the fact that seeds (of annual plants, or whatever) germinate at approximately the same time of year every year to argue that God exists. I also recall various aspects of Jesus' life, including the resurrection, being presented as absolute fact. I think the reason I remember those moments is that I was a fairly bright 8-or-9-year-old, and I was confused and maybe a bit upset that my teachers would, as far as I could see, occasionally outright lie about stuff.

My education was fine, but it would have been better if the teachers hadn't been allowed to say that nonsense. And COE schools are the best case of religious education. Islamic schools, Jewish schools, Catholic schools -- by virtue of not being good-old-wishy-washy-COE they're almost certainly going to be way pushier with the bollocks, and way less attentive to the actual curriculum.

[That]

To expand slightly: the seed thing sounds bizarre now because it's so easily disproved and such a flawed premise, but I promise this really happened. At the time I was confused because I thought he was just wrong about something obvious, but in retrospect I've recognised it as a quite deliberate attempt to turn 'science is interesting' into 'God is amazing'. I think I was about 8 at the time. I wonder how many times similar nonsense was 'taught' that I simply don't remember.

I never paid that much attention in primary school anyway because I was one of those deeply annoying kids that were too far ahead to really learn anything. (I obviously paid the price by having the absolute shite bullied out of me )

[Moggy]

Karl there with some of the worst humble bragging that I’ve ever seen.

[That]

Karl there with some of the worst humble bragging that I’ve ever seen.

Haha, sure, I guess that last bit was a bit smug. But to be fair I actually had a pretty miserable childhood - which probably mostly accounts for why I'm a deeply unhappy adult - so I was hoping you might let me have being smart, which was the only positive aspect.

[Hexx]

There he goes again. Bragging about how smart he is.

[That]

There he goes again. Bragging about how clinically depressed he is.

FTFY.

[Moggy]

Humble brag and then tries to make us feel guilty.

Karl, maybe our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ could help you?

[That]

Karl, maybe our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ could help you?

If he could come down and reverse Brexit that would probably make me feel a bit better.

I'd like to see the confusion from the this-is-a-Christian-country brigade if they found out God is remoaner.

[Moggy]

Karl, maybe our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ could help you?

If he could come down and reverse Brexit that would probably make me feel a bit better.

I'd like to see the confusion from the this-is-a-Christian-country brigade if they found out God is remoaner.

If God is French then Leavers will all turn to Hinduism.

[Lex-Man]

I remember my head teacher a woman called Mrs Moody taking assembly in my primary school where she tried to push creationism. She got these large meccano thing, took it apart and throw it into the audience and said that disproved evolution because it didn't come back together.

That was at a non religious school in Wimbledon.