The Politics Thread 4

[Drumstick]

Why do you regret it and did you get you local MP replaced?

[Hypes]

[Regginator3]

Why do you regret it and did you get you local MP replaced?

Yes - Sir Julian Brazier who was a terrible MP was replaced with Rosie Duffield (Labour) which is why I'm in two minds. I like her individually, but I regret the fact Labour has so many seats.

Especially with the recent Trotskyist invasion of the Labour administration, specifically the NEC.

[Moggy]

That’s why I don’t trust builders, Fred West brought shame on their entire profession.

[Dinoric]

Why do you regret it and did you get you local MP replaced?

Yes - Sir Julian Brazier who was a terrible MP was replaced with Rosie Duffield (Labour) which is why I'm in two minds. I like her individually, but I regret the fact Labour has so many seats.

Especially with the recent Trotskyist invasion of the Labour administration, specifically the NEC.

I don't know where your getting crazy ideas that there has been a Trotskyist invasion in labour. Would you rather the Tories stay in power?

[<]:^D]

That’s why I don’t trust builders, Fred West brought shame on their entire profession.

Fred West was a builder?!

[Hypes]

That’s why I don’t trust builders, Fred West brought shame on their entire profession.

Fred West was a builder?!

Yeah, specialised in patios

[Grumpy David]

Why do you regret it and did you get you local MP replaced?

Yes - Sir Julian Brazier who was a terrible MP was replaced with Rosie Duffield (Labour) which is why I'm in two minds. I like her individually, but I regret the fact Labour has so many seats.

Especially with the recent Trotskyist invasion of the Labour administration, specifically the NEC.

I don't know where your getting crazy ideas that there has been a Trotskyist invasion in labour. Would you rather the Tories stay in power?

Would swinging significantly left help or hinder Labour getting into power?

The 3 most recent Labour wins were "Tory-lite" New Labour. You have to go back beyond living memory for most GRcade folk to mid 1970s to find the last Labour government.

[Lex-Man]

Why do you regret it and did you get you local MP replaced?

Yes - Sir Julian Brazier who was a terrible MP was replaced with Rosie Duffield (Labour) which is why I'm in two minds. I like her individually, but I regret the fact Labour has so many seats.

Especially with the recent Trotskyist invasion of the Labour administration, specifically the NEC.

I don't know where your getting crazy ideas that there has been a Trotskyist invasion in labour. Would you rather the Tories stay in power?

Would swinging significantly left help or hinder Labour getting into power?

The 3 most recent Labour wins were "Tory-lite" New Labour. You have to go back beyond living memory for most GRcade folk to mid 1970s to find the last Labour government.

Hinder, it goes back to that beach/ ice cream stall thingy. The best way for the Labour party to win power would be to outline a plan that moves them up next to the Tories politically. The same goes for the Tories their best option to win the next election is to swing left close to Labour. I actually think this is what May has been trying to do with some of her more lefty sound bites and this move to reform education policy.

[Hypes]

Why do you regret it and did you get you local MP replaced?

Yes - Sir Julian Brazier who was a terrible MP was replaced with Rosie Duffield (Labour) which is why I'm in two minds. I like her individually, but I regret the fact Labour has so many seats.

Especially with the recent Trotskyist invasion of the Labour administration, specifically the NEC.

I don't know where your getting crazy ideas that there has been a Trotskyist invasion in labour. Would you rather the Tories stay in power?

Would swinging significantly left help or hinder Labour getting into power?

The 3 most recent Labour wins were "Tory-lite" New Labour. You have to go back beyond living memory for most GRcade folk to mid 1970s to find the last Labour government.

Hinder, it goes back to that beach/ ice cream stall thingy. The best way for the Labour party to win power would be to outline a plan that moves them up next to the Tories politically. The same goes for the Tories their best option to win the next election is to swing left close to Labour. I actually think this is what May has been trying to do with some of her more lefty sound bites and this move to reform education policy.

Yes, but you know every time she says something about caring or compassion she has to go and vomit in a bucket

[Regginator3]

I don't know where your getting crazy ideas that there has been a Trotskyist invasion in labour. Would you rather the Tories stay in power?

How have you missed it? It was basically the tipping point when the Labour NEC immediately removed Ann Black from Chair of the Disputes panel and replaced her with a Momentum director (Christine Shawcroft).

And yes, I would always take the Tories in government over a Corbyn/Momentum government. Any day of the week. Why does this surprise you?

[Vermilion]

And yes, I would always take the Tories in government over a Corbyn/Momentum government. Any day of the week.

Same.

As i've said before, the Tories may be rubbish, but Labour are completely unelectable at the moment.

[Rocsteady]

Unfortunately they're both strawberry floating useless.

I struggle to see how you can look at aspects like the massive rise in homelessness under this government and think they're worthy of your vote though.

[satriales]

And yes, I would always take the Tories in government over a Corbyn/Momentum government. Any day of the week.

Same.

As i've said before, the Tories may be rubbish, but Labour are completely unelectable at the moment.

At the moment Labour are ahead in the polls, which is a long way from being "completely unelectable".

[Vermilion]

And yes, I would always take the Tories in government over a Corbyn/Momentum government. Any day of the week.

Same.

As i've said before, the Tories may be rubbish, but Labour are completely unelectable at the moment.

At the moment Labour are ahead in the polls, which is a long way from being "completely unelectable".

I think the last couple of elections have taught us not to take too much notice of opinion polls.

[satriales]

And yes, I would always take the Tories in government over a Corbyn/Momentum government. Any day of the week.

Same.

As i've said before, the Tories may be rubbish, but Labour are completely unelectable at the moment.

At the moment Labour are ahead in the polls, which is a long way from being "completely unelectable".

I think the last couple of elections have taught us not to take too much notice of opinion polls.

The last couple of times that Corbyn has been elected have taught us not to presume he is unelectable.

[Regginator3]

I struggle to see how you can look at aspects like the massive rise in homelessness under this government and think they're worthy of your vote though.

Governmental policy has had almost bugger all to do with homelessness increases/decreases. I also don't think Labour could sort it out, if anything they would make more people homeless with the economic "plans" they want to enact. The idea that "well this problem isn't solved yet, therefore it would be solved under this other party" doesn't hold up.

At the moment Labour are ahead in the polls, which is a long way from being "completely unelectable".

The polls recently have been swinging between Labour and the Tories. There is so little in it that it shouldn't be taken seriously. I don't necessarily think they're "unelectable", but they are "unelectable" on an individual sense, to me (IE they will not get my vote). My vote last year was extremely misguided I'll admit, but it was for local reasons rather than national. I will not do the same again, even if it means losing a good MP.

[Regginator3]

The last couple of times that Corbyn has been elected have taught us not to presume he is unelectable.

There is a huge difference between being elected as MP, being elected as a party leader, and being elected as Prime Minister.

[Rocsteady]

I struggle to see how you can look at aspects like the massive rise in homelessness under this government and think they're worthy of your vote though.

Governmental policy has almost bugger all to do with homelessness increases/decreases. I also don't think Labour could sort it out, if anything they would make more people homeless with the economic "plans" they want to enact. The idea that "well this problem isn't solved yet, therefore it would be solved under this other party" doesn't hold up.

At the moment Labour are ahead in the polls, which is a long way from being "completely unelectable".

The polls recently have been swinging between Labour and the Tories. There is so little in it that it shouldn't be taken seriously. I don't necessarily think they're "unelectable", but they are "unelectable" on an individual sense, to me (IE they will not get my vote). My vote last year was extremely misguided I'll admit, but it was for local reasons rather than national. I will not do the same again, even if it means losing a good MP.

Ignoring the fact you immediately contradicted yourself in the first paragraph, there is comprehensive evidence that governmental policy can have a large impact on homelessness.

[Regginator3]

Ignoring the fact you immediately contradicted yourself in the first paragraph, there is comprehensive evidence that governmental policy can have a large impact on homelessness.

Badly worded. I meant "has had". The homelessness rise has been under the Tories, but it's more due to the broken housing market than anything to do with government policy. There is an argument government policy hasn't effectively helped this broken market stay broken, but it can't be pinned mostly on that

Government policy can help this - by building more houses, for example - but this can only be achieved sensibly, Labour can't afford everything it plans to do.