The Politics Thread 4

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by satriales » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:35 am

She needs Corbyn to 'mansplain' to her how to answer a question.

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by Moggy » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:40 am

captain red dog wrote:I'll defend May here (on my white steed), that was an appallingly sexist question. Just because May is a woman, she doesn't have to have the girls round for some pink prosecco and Fifty Shades.

Its absolutely outrageous that of all the issues hitting the UK, that a "journalist" would waste time asking something so utterly banal.


I am not sure that Julie Etchingham was being sexist. It is not an outrageous question to ask how the Prime Minister relaxes during their down time. I am sure Blair and Cameron were asked similar questions.

It was banal of course and it was weird to frame the question around International Woman’s Day, but an experienced politician like May should have been able to answer it with ease.

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by Alvin Flummux » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:47 am

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Alvin Flummux wrote:
Squinty wrote:How would you let your hair down?

I would talk about women being abused!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


She's obviously been renovating John Major's No. 10 sex dungeon.


That one isn’t the problem, it’s the other 9 that really needed cleaning up. :dread:


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by Nibble » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:50 am

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Nibble wrote:I loathe May as much as the next sane, right-thinking person and while I agree her response is a strawberry floating car crash, I have just as much contempt for this type of asinine questioning. The interviewer seem desperate to hear that May's perfect day would be to get together with the gals, put on the Sex And The City boxset and down a few bottles of Lambrini. Because that's what all women love to do on International Women's Day. :roll:


I think May is more into WKD Blue than Lambrini.

I agree with you that it’s an asinine question, but at the same time it is a simple question and she should be able to answer it. Either with the truth “I just sit around bleakly contemplating the wasteland that my party is creating”, a lie “I get thousands of friends together and we all go out helping the poor and needy” or with humour “Are you trying to get me to mention wheat fields again?”.

Instead, she just turns it into another car crash.


Yeah, I agree. I am in no way defending May. Anyone, at this point, though, expecting her to be able to give genuine, recognizably human responses to simple questions is wasting their time in my opinion.

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by Moggy » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:54 am

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Nibble wrote:I loathe May as much as the next sane, right-thinking person and while I agree her response is a strawberry floating car crash, I have just as much contempt for this type of asinine questioning. The interviewer seem desperate to hear that May's perfect day would be to get together with the gals, put on the Sex And The City boxset and down a few bottles of Lambrini. Because that's what all women love to do on International Women's Day. :roll:


I think May is more into WKD Blue than Lambrini.

I agree with you that it’s an asinine question, but at the same time it is a simple question and she should be able to answer it. Either with the truth “I just sit around bleakly contemplating the wasteland that my party is creating”, a lie “I get thousands of friends together and we all go out helping the poor and needy” or with humour “Are you trying to get me to mention wheat fields again?”.

Instead, she just turns it into another car crash.


Yeah, I agree. I am in no way defending May. Anyone, at this point, though, expecting her to be able to give genuine, recognizably human responses to simple questions is wasting their time in my opinion.


I know you are not defending her but since Blair that’s the way our Prime Ministers have been treated. Instead of a Paxman style interview, they prefer to go on This Morning and The One Show and only answer asinine questions.

It’s bizarre, but May would probably be better off facing a tough political interviewer than she would in the more relaxed interviews. She just doesn’t seem at all capable of presenting herself as a normal human.

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by DML » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:55 am

captain red dog wrote:I'll defend May here (on my white steed), that was an appallingly sexist question. Just because May is a woman, she doesn't have to have the girls round for some pink prosecco and Fifty Shades.

Its absolutely outrageous that of all the issues hitting the UK, that a "journalist" would waste time asking something so utterly banal.


Can that question be sexist when its being asked by another woman?

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by Moggy » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:57 am

DML wrote:
captain red dog wrote:I'll defend May here (on my white steed), that was an appallingly sexist question. Just because May is a woman, she doesn't have to have the girls round for some pink prosecco and Fifty Shades.

Its absolutely outrageous that of all the issues hitting the UK, that a "journalist" would waste time asking something so utterly banal.


Can that question be sexist when its being asked by another woman?


Yes, of course it can. Can a woman be sexist if she think men are the best and should rule everything? Can a black person be racist if they refuse to hire black people?

I don’t think the question was sexist, but of course a woman can be sexist to other women.

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by Squinty » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:21 pm

I see nothing wrong with asking that question. It's fairly innocent. It's the response that was hilarious.

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by Hyperion » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:22 pm

It wasn't a sexist question, and it's a perfectly legitimate asinine question used to show that politicians are just like us, regular people with interests, and are able to answer questions off-script without having to resort to pre planned statements and slogans.

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by KK » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:28 pm

Nothing is more stupid than the "how much is a pint of milk" and "how much is a loaf of bread" questions and I wish for once somebody would give really elongated answers to them.

"I don't know, I don't buy a pint of milk I buy 4; and what milk are we talking about, because in Tesco, Organic is 2 for £3 but Yeo is £1.85 in Waitrose but that isn't 4 pints it's just under and..."

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by Moggy » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:33 pm

KK wrote:Nothing is more stupid than the "how much is a pint of milk" and "how much is a loaf of bread" questions and I wish for once somebody would give really elongated answers to them.

"I don't know, I don't buy a pint of milk I buy 4; and what milk are we talking about, because in Tesco, Organic is 2 for £3 but Yeo is £1.85 in Waitrose but that isn't 4 pints it's just under and..."


Whereas May would answer “Oh gosh, milk, ummm I have heard of milk, well I would think it was ummm charged at a fair market rate, I used to buy it directly from the farmer but I would always give him extra money as compensation for the trampled wheat, ummm milk price well I umm ahh Philip buys the milk because it is a boys job”.

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by Squinty » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:33 pm

Hyperion wrote:It wasn't a sexist question, and it's a perfectly legitimate asinine question used to show that politicians are just like us, regular people with interests, and are able to answer questions off-script without having to resort to pre planned statements and slogans.


I assume this is how we know Tony Blair is a Fender Strat wielding, rockstar in waiting. It helps to humanise people.

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by Hyperion » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:45 pm

Squinty wrote:
Hyperion wrote:It wasn't a sexist question, and it's a perfectly legitimate asinine question used to show that politicians are just like us, regular people with interests, and are able to answer questions off-script without having to resort to pre planned statements and slogans.


I assume this is how we know Tony Blair is a Fender Strat wielding, rockstar in waiting. It helps to humanise people.

No. Tony Blair has a blue guitar named Clarence

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by DML » Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:46 pm

Hyperion wrote:It wasn't a sexist question, and it's a perfectly legitimate asinine question used to show that politicians are just like us, regular people with interests, and are able to answer questions off-script without having to resort to pre planned statements and slogans.


Isn't it just a nice softball question to end the interview though that she somehow managtes to butcher so badly in became a big deal? Most interviews end with something soft like that.

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by Hyperion » Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:10 pm

DML wrote:
Hyperion wrote:It wasn't a sexist question, and it's a perfectly legitimate asinine question used to show that politicians are just like us, regular people with interests, and are able to answer questions off-script without having to resort to pre planned statements and slogans.


Isn't it just a nice softball question to end the interview though that she somehow managtes to butcher so badly in became a big deal? Most interviews end with something soft like that.


Yeah, that as well

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by Preezy » Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:11 pm

Why defend a robot? She won't thank you for it.

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BBC News wrote:Former cabinet minister Priti Patel says she has warned Conservative colleagues not to "label me as BME".

She told BBC Radio Kent she found the commonly used acronym for Black and Minority Ethnic "patronising" and "insulting".

The former international development secretary and leading Brexiteer did not rule out a bid for the Conservative leadership at some point.

She quit the cabinet last November after a row over unauthorised meetings.

She said she was "not sure" if Britain would ever see a prime minister from a minority community.

There was a lot of "patronage" in the British political system and lot of institutional barriers, she told Radio Kent, but she would "love to see it" as it would show the country was a "true meritocracy".

Asked if it could be her, she said: "Who knows?"


The Witham MP said she wanted to encourage more people from Indian backgrounds to follow in her footsteps and get involved in politics.

But she said it would be a "regressive step" for any political party or government to put people in posts "just because they are women or because they represent a minority group".

"I don't like the labelling of people. I don't like the term BME. I'm British first and foremost, becauI was born in Britain.

"I challenge all my colleagues in the Conservative Party and in Westminster: Don't label me as a BME. I've said that to people in the cabinet. I've said that to civil servants. I think it's patronising and insulting."

She said the term was "totally unhelpful because we are people and everybody wants to be recognised for their individual merits".

Ms Patel was forced to quit the government after admitting she had unauthorised meetings with Israeli officials.

She said the "whole thing was incredibly messy" but she had been "very clear with the prime minister and also I took responsibility for what she felt was not acceptable, so I think I did the right thing".

She was speaking at a Conservative event in Broadstairs for International Women's Day.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43350527

Amber Rudd, Priti Patel, and Ruth Davidson in a three-way to be next PM confirmed.

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by lex-man » Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:45 am

Is Ruth Davidson eligible? She would be better than the other three by quite a distance.

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by Rex Kramer » Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:08 am

A party that seriously considers Rees-Mogg as leader is going to elect a gay woman? I don't think so.

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by Moggy » Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:28 am

lex-man wrote:Is Ruth Davidson eligible? She would be better than the other three by quite a distance.


She's not an MP, she is only a member of the Scottish Parliament.

To be eligible she will either have to stand in a by-election or be appointed a member of the House of Lords.


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