The Politics Thread 4

[DML]

This is good from the Evening Standard. Theresa May should not be allowed to run away from the mess she set up as Home Secretary.

The Evening Standard were always going to slaughter May anyways, it is after all, George Osborne's paper.

At least this time they were right to do so.

They are almost always right to do so, she is absolutely crap at her job.

[Grumpy David]

It's reasonable to expect to see ID and Proof of Address to rent somewhere or get a new job or claim a pension.

But what a cock up for successive governments to never formalise the process and provide actual paperwork to prove that people arriving before 1971 when they had free movement from the commonwealth were then either naturalised or given indefinite leave to remain.

Home office requirements are so tough that from what I understand you needed to prove you lived in the UK for every individual year to qualify which would be tough even today, let alone before the digital era. I couldn't prove what primary school I attended as it's been turned into New Build Flats. Perhaps National Insurance records might help once someone turned 16 though?

Free passports for all affected and obviously compensation for those who might have been deported / lost their job / had state pension delayed is clearly necessary and appropriate to undo any financial loss.

[Moggy]

They are almost always right to do so, she is absolutely crap at her job.

I am desperately trying to think of anything decent or even just competent that she has done as Home Secretary or Prime Minister.

I can’t think of anything. Literally nothing.

I could probably come up with a number of things that Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown and Cameron did that were either decent or competent. But with May? Submarine doesn’t even begin to describe her vacuous uselessness. The most useless Prime Minister of my lifetime by a long long way.

[DML]

It's reasonable to expect to see ID and Proof of Address to rent somewhere or get a new job or claim a pension.

But what a cock up for successive governments to never formalise the process and provide actual paperwork to prove that people arriving before 1971 when they had free movement from the commonwealth were then either naturalised or given indefinite leave to remain.

Home office requirements are so tough that from what I understand you needed to prove you lived in the UK for every individual year to qualify which would be tough even today, let alone before the digital era. I couldn't prove what primary school I attended as it's been turned into New Build Flats. Perhaps National Insurance records might help once someone turned 16 though?

Free passports for all affected and obviously compensation for those who might have been deported / lost their job / had state pension delayed is clearly necessary and appropriate to undo any financial loss.

You must realise your Leave vote contributed to this though? You voted for this government to enact these rules.

[DML]

They are almost always right to do so, she is absolutely crap at her job.

I am desperately trying to think of anything decent or even just competent that she has done as Home Secretary or Prime Minister.

I can’t think of anything. Literally nothing.

I could probably come up with a number of things that Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown and Cameron did that were either decent or competent. But with May? Submarine doesn’t even begin to describe her vacuous uselessness. The most useless Prime Minister of my lifetime by a long long way.

Shes made Boris turn from a credible leader to a farce who will never be.

She doesn't totally give in to the headbangers at all time (she easily could have).

Thats all I have.

[Moggy]

Shes made Boris turn from a credible leader to a farce who will never be.

That wasn’t her doing, Boris does a decent enough job of destroying himself.

She doesn't totally give in to the headbangers at all time (she easily could have).

Thats all I have.

I am not sure that counts as decent or competent. Especially when she has placed Davis, Gove, Fox and Johnson right into the cabinet.

Sure she might not listen to the loonies like Redwood but that’s not a credit in her favour, nobody listens to the loonies like Redwood.

[Preezy]

Her crowning glory was that hilarious robotic interview on International Women's Day. Comedy gold

[Drumstick]

Her crowning glory was that hilarious robotic interview on International Women's Day. Comedy gold

The day that MayBot was born. It's so bloody disconcerting that she can't answer a simple personal question without reacting with surprise.

"Oh gosh! My word, what a question!"

[Squinty]

She runs through fields of wheat very well, thank you very much Moggy.

[Moggy]

She runs through fields of wheat very well, thank you very much Moggy.

She didn’t even do that very well, the guilt of it was still causing her sleepless nights 50 years later. That’s not a successful wheat field run.

[Moggy]

To solve the Windrush crisis, why don’t we just look at the landing cards?

The Home Office destroyed thousands of landing card slips recording Windrush immigrants’ arrival dates in the UK, despite staff warnings that the move would make it harder to check the records of older Caribbean-born residents experiencing residency difficulties.

A former Home Office employee said the records, stored in the basement of a government tower block, were a vital resource for case workers when they were asked to find information about someone’s arrival date in the UK from the West Indies – usually when the individual was struggling to resolve immigration status problems.

Although the home secretary, Amber Rudd, has promised to make it easier for Windrush-generation residents to regularise their status, the destruction of the database is likely to make the process harder, even with the support of the new taskforce announced this week.

The former employee (who has asked for his name not to be printed) said it was decided in 2010 to destroy the disembarkation cards, which dated back to the 1950s and 60s, when the Home Office’s Whitgift Centre in Croydon was closed and the staff were moved to another site. Employees in his department told their managers it was a bad idea, because these papers were often the last remaining record of a person’s arrival date, in the event of uncertainty or lost documents. The files were destroyed in October that year, when Theresa May was home secretary.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ex-staffer

[Errkal]

To solve the Windrush crisis, why don’t we just look at the landing cards?

The Home Office destroyed thousands of landing card slips recording Windrush immigrants’ arrival dates in the UK, despite staff warnings that the move would make it harder to check the records of older Caribbean-born residents experiencing residency difficulties.

A former Home Office employee said the records, stored in the basement of a government tower block, were a vital resource for case workers when they were asked to find information about someone’s arrival date in the UK from the West Indies – usually when the individual was struggling to resolve immigration status problems.

Although the home secretary, Amber Rudd, has promised to make it easier for Windrush-generation residents to regularise their status, the destruction of the database is likely to make the process harder, even with the support of the new taskforce announced this week.

The former employee (who has asked for his name not to be printed) said it was decided in 2010 to destroy the disembarkation cards, which dated back to the 1950s and 60s, when the Home Office’s Whitgift Centre in Croydon was closed and the staff were moved to another site. Employees in his department told their managers it was a bad idea, because these papers were often the last remaining record of a person’s arrival date, in the event of uncertainty or lost documents. The files were destroyed in October that year, when Theresa May was home secretary.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ex-staffer

Yeah bu the previous labour government had them too and they mismanaged the economy and Corbyn is a communist.

[Cuttooth]

People need to stop calling this a fiasco or cock up, or a policy being misused or it breaking down. The changes to immigration policy were designed to work exactly like this because they thought they could get away with it.

[DML]

People need to stop calling this a fiasco or cock up, or a policy being misused or it breaking down. The changes to immigration policy were designed to work exactly like this because they thought they could get away with it.

It was constitutional racism and nothing less.

[Moggy]

People need to stop calling this a fiasco or cock up, or a policy being misused or it breaking down. The changes to immigration policy were designed to work exactly like this because they thought they could get away with it.

Absolutely.

Ignore the hyperbolic Buzzfeed headline on this one, O’Brien really does show what May actually is.

twitter.com/lbc/status/986189006923759616

[Grumpy David]

It's reasonable to expect to see ID and Proof of Address to rent somewhere or get a new job or claim a pension.

But what a cock up for successive governments to never formalise the process and provide actual paperwork to prove that people arriving before 1971 when they had free movement from the commonwealth were then either naturalised or given indefinite leave to remain.

Home office requirements are so tough that from what I understand you needed to prove you lived in the UK for every individual year to qualify which would be tough even today, let alone before the digital era. I couldn't prove what primary school I attended as it's been turned into New Build Flats. Perhaps National Insurance records might help once someone turned 16 though?

Free passports for all affected and obviously compensation for those who might have been deported / lost their job / had state pension delayed is clearly necessary and appropriate to undo any financial loss.

You must realise your Leave vote contributed to this though? You voted for this government to enact these rules.

Non-EU immigration rules are completely separate to the EU/Brexit vote.

The government official position was to Remain. They spent 7 million sending out leaflets to remind us.

Your point would be stronger if it was "You voted for this government" but it's certainly possible to agree with some policies and disagree with others so even then it wouldn't be a particularly worthwhile thing to post.

[DML]

It's reasonable to expect to see ID and Proof of Address to rent somewhere or get a new job or claim a pension.

But what a cock up for successive governments to never formalise the process and provide actual paperwork to prove that people arriving before 1971 when they had free movement from the commonwealth were then either naturalised or given indefinite leave to remain.

Home office requirements are so tough that from what I understand you needed to prove you lived in the UK for every individual year to qualify which would be tough even today, let alone before the digital era. I couldn't prove what primary school I attended as it's been turned into New Build Flats. Perhaps National Insurance records might help once someone turned 16 though?

Free passports for all affected and obviously compensation for those who might have been deported / lost their job / had state pension delayed is clearly necessary and appropriate to undo any financial loss.

You must realise your Leave vote contributed to this though? You voted for this government to enact these rules.

Non-EU immigration rules are completely separate to the EU/Brexit vote.

The government official position was to Remain. They spent 7 million sending out leaflets to remind us.

Your point would be stronger if it was "You voted for this government" but it's certainly possible to agree with some policies and disagree with others so even then it wouldn't be a particularly worthwhile thing to post.

So that largely immigration vote that happened has nothing to do with immigration? I call BS on that I'm afraid.

Your point of the governments position to remain makes even less sense.

[Grumpy David]

It's reasonable to expect to see ID and Proof of Address to rent somewhere or get a new job or claim a pension.

But what a cock up for successive governments to never formalise the process and provide actual paperwork to prove that people arriving before 1971 when they had free movement from the commonwealth were then either naturalised or given indefinite leave to remain.

Home office requirements are so tough that from what I understand you needed to prove you lived in the UK for every individual year to qualify which would be tough even today, let alone before the digital era. I couldn't prove what primary school I attended as it's been turned into New Build Flats. Perhaps National Insurance records might help once someone turned 16 though?

Free passports for all affected and obviously compensation for those who might have been deported / lost their job / had state pension delayed is clearly necessary and appropriate to undo any financial loss.

You must realise your Leave vote contributed to this though? You voted for this government to enact these rules.

Non-EU immigration rules are completely separate to the EU/Brexit vote.

The government official position was to Remain. They spent 7 million sending out leaflets to remind us.

Your point would be stronger if it was "You voted for this government" but it's certainly possible to agree with some policies and disagree with others so even then it wouldn't be a particularly worthwhile thing to post.

So that largely immigration vote that happened has nothing to do with immigration? I call BS on that I'm afraid.

Your point of the governments position to remain makes even less sense.

We were always able to control immigration numbers from outside the EU.

The immigration argument was that we have no control over the quality or quantity of EU immigration.

They are separate points. Being in or out of the EU doesn't affect policy on non EU immigration.

You calling BS is irrelevant. You're wrong.

The official position of the government was to Remain but individual cabinet members were free to disagree and support the Leave campaign. You mentioned I voted for this government although the policies were introduced under the previous government which I didn't vote for.

[Lex-Man]

It's reasonable to expect to see ID and Proof of Address to rent somewhere or get a new job or claim a pension.

But what a cock up for successive governments to never formalise the process and provide actual paperwork to prove that people arriving before 1971 when they had free movement from the commonwealth were then either naturalised or given indefinite leave to remain.

Home office requirements are so tough that from what I understand you needed to prove you lived in the UK for every individual year to qualify which would be tough even today, let alone before the digital era. I couldn't prove what primary school I attended as it's been turned into New Build Flats. Perhaps National Insurance records might help once someone turned 16 though?

Free passports for all affected and obviously compensation for those who might have been deported / lost their job / had state pension delayed is clearly necessary and appropriate to undo any financial loss.

You must realise your Leave vote contributed to this though? You voted for this government to enact these rules.

Non-EU immigration rules are completely separate to the EU/Brexit vote.

The government official position was to Remain. They spent 7 million sending out leaflets to remind us.

Your point would be stronger if it was "You voted for this government" but it's certainly possible to agree with some policies and disagree with others so even then it wouldn't be a particularly worthwhile thing to post.

So that largely immigration vote that happened has nothing to do with immigration? I call BS on that I'm afraid.

Your point of the governments position to remain makes even less sense.

We were always able to control immigration numbers from outside the EU.

The immigration argument was that we have no control over the quality or quantity of EU immigration.

They are separate points. Being in or out of the EU doesn't affect policy on non EU immigration.

You calling BS is irrelevant. You're wrong.

The official position of the government was to Remain but individual cabinet members were free to disagree and support the Leave campaign. You mentioned I voted for this government although the policies were introduced under the previous government which I didn't vote for.

So you're saying you voted for May but not Cameron?

[<]:^D]

jesus christ