The Resident Evil thread

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Never really liked the feel of the revs either, but I'm going to finish both now on the strength of this thread.

It had better be worth it.

[Parksey]

Listing 4 below Resi 0? Zero has a few decent numbers, but it's a pretty awkward, fiddly, frustrating game. And for an old-school Resi title, that's saying something.

It wasn't the best in its genre or the best of its kind when it came out, having been comfortably surprised by ReMake a year or so before.

Heck, I enjoyed playing Resi 2 GC more than Zero.

Resi 4 on the other hand, was probably the best action-shooter-thingmy of its generation. Regardless of the subjective argument over whether it's aged well, at the time it was widely acclaimed as a 10/10 experience and quite rightly fawned over.

Zero only gets looked back on fondly due to the fact that those old-school survival horror games have effectively been dead since about 2002. If there had been more of them since then, it wouldn't occupy a special place in people's hearts, but because it is one of the few games of that type that is playable today (the PSOne games in their native form are probably unpalatable to some) then it gets there by default.

[Glowy69]

REmake
Nemesis
RE2
RE0
CV
RE4
RE5
The revelations one I played on the 360
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This is the correct list. Im not going into the RE4 debate again, but as someone said t'other day, its aged badly, yet play Remake and it still feels "right"

[Glowy69]

Never really liked the feel of the revs either, but I'm going to finish both now on the strength of this thread.

It had better be worth it.

They're boring, don't bother.

[Cumberdanes]

I played the first Revelations and quite enjoyed it besides the end boss. I call bullshit on the here's what everybody did next bit during the credits like... no way that guy survived that

[Mafro]

That would be tits!

[Wedgie]

My List!

Resident Evil Remake
Resident Evil 2
Resident Evil (Original)
Resident Evil Nemesis
Resident Evil 4
Resident Evil 0
Resident Evil 5
Resident Evil 6

I still need to play the two Revelations games and properly finish off Code Veronica X.

[mic]

...a load of outrageous drivel about re0...

Re4 spawned a whole new genre of action titles and was possibly the game of its generation. However, it was not without problems, many of which were compounded by 5 & 6, where fans were a lot less forgiving.

As much as I enjoyed re4 at the time and as technically good as it was, it inevitably set the franchise down a path that has rightly received scorn and derision.

Re0, while arguably not as enjoyable as REMake, was still a masterclass in game design, with visuals that still look great two generations later.

And nobody had better mention that bloody frog.

[Corazon de Leon]

...a load of outrageous drivel about re0...

Re4 spawned a whole new genre of action titles and was possibly the game of its generation. However, it was not without problems, many of which were compounded by 5 & 6, where fans were a lot less forgiving.

As much as I enjoyed re4 at the time and as technically good as it was, it inevitably set the franchise down a path that has rightly received scorn and derision.

Re0, while arguably not as enjoyable as REMake, was still a masterclass in game design, with visuals that still look great two generations later.

And nobody had better mention that bloody frog.

So you're using as an argument the fact that the franchise became worse after 4 - arguably the pinnacle of the entire series - to support the view that 4 was not as good as people say it is? How does that have anything to do with the quality of the game itself? You said yourself that it quite possibly was the game of its generation; didn't that generation also include RE0?

[Glowy69]

...a load of outrageous drivel about re0...

Re4 spawned a whole new genre of action titles and was possibly the game of its generation. However, it was not without problems, many of which were compounded by 5 & 6, where fans were a lot less forgiving.

As much as I enjoyed re4 at the time and as technically good as it was, it inevitably set the franchise down a path that has rightly received scorn and derision.

Re0, while arguably not as enjoyable as REMake, was still a masterclass in game design, with visuals that still look great two generations later.

And nobody had better mention that bloody frog.

So you're using as an argument the fact that the franchise became worse after 4 - arguably the pinnacle of the entire series - to support the view that 4 was not as good as people say it is? How does that have anything to do with the quality of the game itself? You said yourself that it quite possibly was the game of its generation; didn't that generation also include RE0?

4 hasn't stood the test of time, action games have surpassed it. As a survival horror game zero and remake still play remarkably well today.

I love 4, but it doesn't hold that same place in my heart for memories as the earlier game do, which is why I'm looking forward to 7 so much. Hopefully a return to horror.

[Corazon de Leon]

...a load of outrageous drivel about re0...

Re4 spawned a whole new genre of action titles and was possibly the game of its generation. However, it was not without problems, many of which were compounded by 5 & 6, where fans were a lot less forgiving.

As much as I enjoyed re4 at the time and as technically good as it was, it inevitably set the franchise down a path that has rightly received scorn and derision.

Re0, while arguably not as enjoyable as REMake, was still a masterclass in game design, with visuals that still look great two generations later.

And nobody had better mention that bloody frog.

So you're using as an argument the fact that the franchise became worse after 4 - arguably the pinnacle of the entire series - to support the view that 4 was not as good as people say it is? How does that have anything to do with the quality of the game itself? You said yourself that it quite possibly was the game of its generation; didn't that generation also include RE0?

4 hasn't stood the test of time, action games have surpassed it. As a survival horror game zero and remake still play remarkably well today.

I love 4, but it doesn't hold that same place in my heart for memories as the earlier game do, which is why I'm looking forward to 7 so much. Hopefully a return to horror.

I can totally understand that viewpoint, I think I've spoken to you about it before. A lot of people prefer the survival horror aspect of the original two games and that's fair enough(FWIW RE2 is still my favourite).

I don't necessarily agree that RE4 hasn't stood the test of time though - I'm actually replaying it just now and it still holds up in terms of story, atmosphere and gameplay for me.

[Glowy69]

...a load of outrageous drivel about re0...

Re4 spawned a whole new genre of action titles and was possibly the game of its generation. However, it was not without problems, many of which were compounded by 5 & 6, where fans were a lot less forgiving.

As much as I enjoyed re4 at the time and as technically good as it was, it inevitably set the franchise down a path that has rightly received scorn and derision.

Re0, while arguably not as enjoyable as REMake, was still a masterclass in game design, with visuals that still look great two generations later.

And nobody had better mention that bloody frog.

So you're using as an argument the fact that the franchise became worse after 4 - arguably the pinnacle of the entire series - to support the view that 4 was not as good as people say it is? How does that have anything to do with the quality of the game itself? You said yourself that it quite possibly was the game of its generation; didn't that generation also include RE0?

4 hasn't stood the test of time, action games have surpassed it. As a survival horror game zero and remake still play remarkably well today.

I love 4, but it doesn't hold that same place in my heart for memories as the earlier game do, which is why I'm looking forward to 7 so much. Hopefully a return to horror.

I can totally understand that viewpoint, I think I've spoken to you about it before. A lot of people prefer the survival horror aspect of the original two games and that's fair enough(FWIW RE2 is still my favourite).

I don't necessarily agree that RE4 hasn't stood the test of time though - I'm actually replaying it just now and it still holds up in terms of story, atmosphere and gameplay for me.

Story and atmosphere, yes, I agree. But the gameplay, and to the extent RE5 Just doesn't seem that great anymore. I was tempted to re re re buy it But I'm not gonna bother. Meanly other gripe with 4 is that it goes on way to long, the island at the end hold mixed memories.

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So you're using as an argument the fact that the franchise became worse after 4 - arguably the pinnacle of the entire series - to support the view that 4 was not as good as people say it is? How does that have anything to do with the quality of the game itself? You said yourself that it quite possibly was the game of its generation; didn't that generation also include RE0?

Yes. It was a great game, but it wasn't a great resi game. While it spawned a host a copycat games (the aiming and melee mechanics are now ubiquitous) and deserves recognition for its technical achievement, it did nothing for the series, commencing the watering down of the survival horror aspect with action elements that are antithetical.

I agree with parksy that remake and re0 stand out because they don't have the dated visuals of the older games in the series, but re0 also has features which the others lack and, while some might find them difficult to get to grips with, I feel that these greatly enhanced the game beyond what its predecessors had to offer.

[The Alchemist Penguin]

4 hasn't stood the test of time, action games have surpassed it. As a survival horror game zero and remake still play remarkably well today.

That's more of a depressing comment on the complete and utter stagnation of the survival horror genre than a genuine criticism of RE4 though. There hasn't been anything which has even really attempted to surpass REmake, so there isn't really anything to "age" it.

The criticisms of the time, when it was a fairly popular genre, were pretty vast. They remain as valid now, but as Parksey rightly says, they're largely diluted over time because it's essentially "fresh" again through the death of the genre.

[Glowy69]

4 hasn't stood the test of time, action games have surpassed it. As a survival horror game zero and remake still play remarkably well today.

That's more of a depressing comment on the complete and utter stagnation of the survival horror genre than a genuine criticism of RE4 though. There hasn't been anything which has even really attempted to surpass REmake, so there isn't really anything to "age" it.

The criticisms of the time, when it was a fairly popular genre, were pretty vast. They remain as valid now, but as Parksey rightly says, they're largely diluted over time because it's essentially "fresh" again through the death of the genre.

Survival Horror hasn't moved on, it isn't cash popular is it? Its easy to churn out RE5 & 6, pretend they're RE games so they'll sell. Hopefully with 7 on its way we will see some sort of return to survival horror. I believe theres a market for it out there.

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What about Mikami's The Evil Within? Hopefully RE2Make will sell loads on the nostalgia factor and Capcom will return to the original formula...

[Cumberdanes]

I really hope RE7 has puzzles in it. I enjoyed 4 and 5 but I think they were sorely lacking in elaborate lock and key and crank based puzzles.

[Glowy69]

What about Mikami's The Evil Within? Hopefully RE2Make will sell loads on the nostalgia factor and Capcom will return to the original formula...

I got stuck towards the end, basically ran out of ammo. It was okay, nothing special though. Resi 2 must have millions upon millions of fans that will rebut it straight away, then theres a whole new audience who have never really known what RE is about.

[Corazon de Leon]

REMake sold over a million pretty quickly on the relaunched XBox/PS formats - if done right I can see RE2 doing gangbusters as it's objectively a better game than the original.

[Squinty]

I can't wait for Remake 2. I think 1 and 2 are on par with each other. I love to see Remake 3 as well.

And don't you people insult my Resi 4