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by mcjihge2 » Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:10 pm

Corazon de Leon wrote:
Ad7 wrote:How often do you all change your running shoes? I've been using mine about a year and a half now and there's little sign of any wear, but one of the people I run with thinks it could be the source of my bad leg which has ruined my last 4 runs as it occurs about half way around and I'm nearly limping by the end.


You should be changing them every 300 miles or so is my understanding, although I don't do that and it seems only "professional" runners stick to it with any frequency. I tend to buy a new pair every year or so.


I kept my last ones for 800+ miles (3 years), they were good quality Asics ones, still feel very comfortable to wear but the soles have got alot of wear on them. As Corazon says the internal support/gel could 'go', it does depend on the quality of shoe.

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by mcjihge2 » Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:45 pm

I got my parkrun 50 t shirt today :D

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by Rex Kramer » Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:56 pm

Corazon de Leon wrote:
Ad7 wrote:They're like new really but she was saying the support is the thing that gets worn down.


That's it, really. The shoes will still look fine and be usable for casual wear, but the support wears pretty quickly so if you're running a lot, you need to change shoes regularly or you'll end up with poor support and probably in quite a bit of pain.

I wonder if this is contributing to my heel pain, maybe I need a new pair too.

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PostRe: The Running Thread
by Starbreaker » Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:23 pm

Just catching up on this thread. My advice on new shoes would be every 300 miles or so for sure. Any more than that and even if they feel fine you're increasing the risk of impact damage by god knows how much - it's nothing to do with frequency of running or anything like that, it's purely down to the mechanical and elastic capabilities of the materials used in production. Even for a moderately good pair (in the £50-100 range) I wouldn't be going more than 350.

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Ad7 wrote:Think I'll go to one of those places that look at your gait etc.


You 100000% should do this.


I'm on the other side of the fence about this. The gait thing is bandied around a lot nowadays but there's very little to back it up in terms of hard evidence. In fact Runners World did a six month investigation last year and in the vast majority of cases gait made an immeasurably small difference on wear and impact damage. In fact it was more a case of shops picking up on this as the hot button issue and using it as an excuse to flog the more expensive shoes. I'm not saying don't do it, just take it with a massive pinch of salt.

Personally, my advice would be: buy a pair of shoes. Run in them for 50 miles. If you haven't picked up an injury in that time, you have a set of shoes that work for you.

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by Mini E » Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:27 pm

Starbreaker wrote:Just catching up on this thread. My advice on new shoes would be every 300 miles or so for sure. Any more than that and even if they feel fine you're increasing the risk of impact damage by god knows how much - it's nothing to do with frequency of running or anything like that, it's purely down to the mechanical and elastic capabilities of the materials used in production. Even for a moderately good pair (in the £50-100 range) I wouldn't be going more than 350.

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Ad7 wrote:Think I'll go to one of those places that look at your gait etc.


You 100000% should do this.


I'm on the other side of the fence about this. The gait thing is bandied around a lot nowadays but there's very little to back it up in terms of hard evidence. In fact Runners World did a six month investigation last year and in the vast majority of cases gait made an immeasurably small difference on wear and impact damage. In fact it was more a case of shops picking up on this as the hot button issue and using it as an excuse to flog the more expensive shoes. I'm not saying don't do it, just take it with a massive pinch of salt.

Personally, my advice would be: buy a pair of shoes. Run in them for 50 miles. If you haven't picked up an injury in that time, you have a set of shoes that work for you.


Anyone with a history of lower limb injuries should get their gait checked whilst they buy shoes - I've had massively ankle problems in the past and need support in certain places in a shoe as my gait is kinda fucky-uppy. It may be less important if you've not got any history of injury but I really don't agree with the "try it out and if you don't get injured you're golden" thing - prevention is far, far better than treatment.

Anyway - guys I've signed up for the Reading half marathon and raising money for Cancer Research UK. It'll be my first official half-marathon run so if anyone felt inclined to sponsor me I'd honestly be so appreciative. The link is:

https://www.justgiving.com/Andy-Mitchel ... =pfp-share

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PostRe: The Running Thread
by Starbreaker » Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:49 pm

Mini E wrote:
Starbreaker wrote:Just catching up on this thread. My advice on new shoes would be every 300 miles or so for sure. Any more than that and even if they feel fine you're increasing the risk of impact damage by god knows how much - it's nothing to do with frequency of running or anything like that, it's purely down to the mechanical and elastic capabilities of the materials used in production. Even for a moderately good pair (in the £50-100 range) I wouldn't be going more than 350.

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Ad7 wrote:Think I'll go to one of those places that look at your gait etc.


You 100000% should do this.


I'm on the other side of the fence about this. The gait thing is bandied around a lot nowadays but there's very little to back it up in terms of hard evidence. In fact Runners World did a six month investigation last year and in the vast majority of cases gait made an immeasurably small difference on wear and impact damage. In fact it was more a case of shops picking up on this as the hot button issue and using it as an excuse to flog the more expensive shoes. I'm not saying don't do it, just take it with a massive pinch of salt.

Personally, my advice would be: buy a pair of shoes. Run in them for 50 miles. If you haven't picked up an injury in that time, you have a set of shoes that work for you.


Anyone with a history of lower limb injuries should get their gait checked whilst they buy shoes - I've had massively ankle problems in the past and need support in certain places in a shoe as my gait is kinda fucky-uppy. It may be less important if you've not got any history of injury but I really don't agree with the "try it out and if you don't get injured you're golden" thing - prevention is far, far better than treatment.


Gait is something different - what you're talking about is footstrike, which is how the foot hits the ground. "Gait" is a catch all term comprising cadence, footstrike and leg movement in a single running phase. The former and latter of these have very simple, tried and tested rules for not getting injured and have done for decades.

Even so, footstrike is not necessariy something you need professional (such as it is in many running shops) advice with - it's ludicrously easy to figure out the form you use just by looking at your feet in a natural run position. By definition there are only nine variations to a greater or lesser extent that your footstrike is going to fall under and again, the solutions to each have been around for years.

It's great that you've found a solution to your own ankle injury but as a runner of 14 years I wouldn't be bandying around advice like that if there was even a modicum of a chance I thought it would cause anyone an injury. Running techniques can always be modified - as with any exercise, you should research yourself before committing your body to anything, but I find it a bit weird to go on the advice of anyone with less professional experience than a physio (especially someone with a mandate to sell shoes) and take their word at face value.

EDIT: I don't mean for that to come across as super confrontational, just personal experience. What sort of time are you aiming for in the HM?

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PostRe: The Running Thread
by Mini E » Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:54 pm

Starbreaker wrote:
Mini E wrote:
Starbreaker wrote:Just catching up on this thread. My advice on new shoes would be every 300 miles or so for sure. Any more than that and even if they feel fine you're increasing the risk of impact damage by god knows how much - it's nothing to do with frequency of running or anything like that, it's purely down to the mechanical and elastic capabilities of the materials used in production. Even for a moderately good pair (in the £50-100 range) I wouldn't be going more than 350.

Mini E wrote:
Ad7 wrote:Think I'll go to one of those places that look at your gait etc.


You 100000% should do this.


I'm on the other side of the fence about this. The gait thing is bandied around a lot nowadays but there's very little to back it up in terms of hard evidence. In fact Runners World did a six month investigation last year and in the vast majority of cases gait made an immeasurably small difference on wear and impact damage. In fact it was more a case of shops picking up on this as the hot button issue and using it as an excuse to flog the more expensive shoes. I'm not saying don't do it, just take it with a massive pinch of salt.

Personally, my advice would be: buy a pair of shoes. Run in them for 50 miles. If you haven't picked up an injury in that time, you have a set of shoes that work for you.


Anyone with a history of lower limb injuries should get their gait checked whilst they buy shoes - I've had massively ankle problems in the past and need support in certain places in a shoe as my gait is kinda fucky-uppy. It may be less important if you've not got any history of injury but I really don't agree with the "try it out and if you don't get injured you're golden" thing - prevention is far, far better than treatment.


Gait is something different - what you're talking about is footstrike, which is how the foot hits the ground. "Gait" is a catch all term comprising cadence, footstrike and leg movement in a single running phase. The former and latter of these have very simple, tried and tested rules for not getting injured and have done for decades.

Even so, footstrike is not necessariy something you need professional (such as it is in many running shops) advice with - it's ludicrously easy to figure out the form you use just by looking at your feet in a natural run position. By definition there are only nine variations to a greater or lesser extent that your footstrike is going to fall under and again, the solutions to each have been around for years.

It's great that you've found a solution to your own ankle injury but as a runner of 14 years I wouldn't be bandying around advice like that if there was even a modicum of a chance I thought it would cause anyone an injury. Running techniques can always be modified - as with any exercise, you should research yourself before committing your body to anything.


I am aware of this - Biomechanics was a large part of my undergraduate and postgraduate degrees. I completely agree that bandying advice around with even a modicum of a chance that it could cause injury is a horrific idea - but I fail to see how getting a professional analysis could lead to injury... In my opinion, the more informed a decision the better when it comes to something as important as footwear choice when running long distances. Agree to disagree?

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PostRe: The Running Thread
by Starbreaker » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:13 pm

Yes, absolutely - see edit in previous post. When is the Reading half?

To be honest it's brilliant seeing some life in this thread for a change. Anyone had a good run recently? Or planned? I'm doing the Snowdonia half next year which should be fun.

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by Mini E » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:21 pm

Didn't take it as confrontational mate ;) All good - thanks for the clarification though! If I was doing it alone I'd be aiming for a 1:45-1:50 but I'm running it with a friend who is female and has shorter legs and I think we're planning on running it together as we're running for the same charity and it's both of our first official half-marathons. It's Sunday 3rd April so quite a way off yet. I'm doing an 11.5 miler on Friday just to keep my body used to the longer runs and then I'm focusing on non-weight bearing cardio during the week :) Have you got any good runs lined up?

Edit: That Snowdonia run looks horrific :lol:

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by Starbreaker » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:34 pm

Nothing unfortunately. I was a bit of a silly billy at the end of July - aimed for a half marathon pb (which I got) but went at it faaaar too hard. Felt a cramp about seven miles in. Upside: Finished in 1:39.40. Downside: massive, incredibly painful tendonitis for the last three months which for the first six weeks pretty much scuppered my ability to walk, never mind run. In retrospect I should have known to slow down when I broke my 5k record by like...a minute and a half. Stupid!

Still though, been trimming down in the gym to stop me going mad and aiming to be back out there in mid-November, just in time for the cramp season.

Do you use strava Mini E? Any training plans pencilled in for closer to the time?

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by Mini E » Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:27 am

Doing your quickest 5k as part of a half-marathon is quite an impressive/odd feat :lol: - I don't use Strava no - I use Nike plus to link up with a few of my friends and monitor our progress. I was planning on doing what I do now to be honest, one longer (~10 mile) run every fortnight with recovery time between which involves a mix of cycle/rowing HIIT and resistance training as I'm still trying to shed the last bit of tummy... 4kg or so to go until I'm at target weight (although I really should do body comp on myself at some point to compare it to previous incarnations.

What're your recommendations in the weeks/couple of months immediately before the run? Obviously I increase carb intake in the days running up to a longer run but generally I'm on lower-carb, higher-protein diet.

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by Mini E » Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:45 am

Had miscalculated the length of route for this morning. Was 9 miles rather than 11.5 but as it was a new route which I'd only looked at on google maps, I hadn't realised quite how uphilly it was. Horrific on the calves :lol: - Not entirely sure how but got my 10k best down to 52:30 even though it really felt like I was running in treacle for the first 5km. Very odd.

The two things on my Christmas list so far are a foam roller so I don't have to finish my runs at the gym to foam roll, and nipple tape :lol: - another exciting Christmas in the Mini E household :fp:

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by Victor Mildew » Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:32 pm

I've been resting my leg for the past few months so today was my first time running again.

:dread: float me

I usually do 8.30 miles on that route no sweat for the 4 miles, but today I was really struggling to do 9.30s :dread: To top it off, when we finished every muscle in both my legs got mega cramp which I can still feel now.

Oh and I have two inch long blisters in the arch of both feet which developed half way round.

Pathetic display :fp:

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by mcjihge2 » Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:55 pm

Parkrun christmas/ boxing day went ok, If unbelievably waterlogged - more of a wade. Ive got a possible 2 parkruns on new years day - considering doing one at 9am the driving to one at 10:30am. good/bad idea?

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by Poser » Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:31 pm

This isn't really a running update per se, but is so significant (to me) that I wanted to share and this seemed the best place.

For the past four months I've been suffering with pretty chronic knee pain. I've suffered from cumulative wear and tear for years, and it was knee pain that ended my sprinting career in 2008.

However, recently it's been hideous. Hurts every day, can't bend, can't walk, can't do stairs. I was wondering if, at the age of nearly 37, I was just going to have to accept that my legs were going to hurt now. I did some research and, based on my symptoms, it looked to be tendonitis (or similar) of my patella tendon.

As a last ditch attempt before coughing up for physio/osteopathy, I bought a patella strap. One of these things:

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I've been wearing it for two days, one on each knee, and the transformation has been utterly remarkable. This morning I woke up and walked downstairs freely, and without pain, even with the strap removed. It's an absolute revelation. I can't describe how happy I am with this.

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by Mini E » Wed Jan 20, 2016 4:55 pm

That's great to hear Poser! Remember to take it off when possible each day so you don't become totally dependent on it :)

My training's going really well at the moment. Was really pleased with a 16k I did last weekend - felt very strong at the end of it. 10 1/2 weeks until the Reading Half Marathon - am also signed up to the Bournemouth Half and the Great South Run. It's going to be a great 2016 :)

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by Harry Ola » Wed Jan 20, 2016 5:34 pm

Poser wrote:This isn't really a running update per se, but is so significant (to me) that I wanted to share and this seemed the best place.

For the past four months I've been suffering with pretty chronic knee pain. I've suffered from cumulative wear and tear for years, and it was knee pain that ended my sprinting career in 2008.

However, recently it's been hideous. Hurts every day, can't bend, can't walk, can't do stairs. I was wondering if, at the age of nearly 37, I was just going to have to accept that my legs were going to hurt now. I did some research and, based on my symptoms, it looked to be tendonitis (or similar) of my patella tendon.

As a last ditch attempt before coughing up for physio/osteopathy, I bought a patella strap. One of these things:

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I've been wearing it for two days, one on each knee, and the transformation has been utterly remarkable. This morning I woke up and walked downstairs freely, and without pain, even with the strap removed. It's an absolute revelation. I can't describe how happy I am with this.


After taking up running about 3 years ago, I had no issues until about a year in I had awful knee pain on a 10K run. Was sore for a long time and I ended up having a break. Coming back, I got the exact same strap and I've not had a problem since, despite doing many more cumulative miles. It's amazing really, as to look at it you would never believe it could make such a difference.

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PostRe: The Running Thread
by That's not a growth » Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:30 pm

Are you guys doing anything along the lines of squats? I used to have a problem with my knees and my physio said I needed to strengthen the muscles around them. Worked a treat.

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by Victor Mildew » Wed Jan 20, 2016 7:52 pm

Interesting on that knee thing post as that sounds like the sorry of pain i was getting. A LOT of rest seems to have curbed it for now though. I may get one of those as a backup though.

I've got really muscley legs so I don't think that's a problem for me.

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by Victor Mildew » Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:00 pm

Weighed myself for the first time in a while this morning and I've lost another 5 pounds putting me just over 12 stone now.

That's down from just under 14 stone when I started running, and I've only been doing 8 miles week :D

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