The Star Wars Thread v2 - *NO SPOILERS*

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by Alvin Flummux » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:36 pm

Gemini73 wrote:Going to watch Solo tonight.


Have fun! It's a great romp.

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by Gemini73 » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:44 pm

I've heard from a lot of folk it's good, if not an entirely necessary entry in the series.

As long as it's enjoyable though, that's all that matters. :)

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by Robbo-92 » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:09 pm

I thought Solo was great. Enjoyed it just as much on my second viewing as my first.

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by souljahsstory » Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:20 pm

Watched Solo today. Preferred it over The Last Jedi. It felt rushed in places. That woman from Game of Thrones were awful. But thought Donald Glover and Woody Harrelson were great.

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by Gemini73 » Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:42 pm

Well I thoroughly enjoyed Solo. Some great moments in it throughout. Much better than TLJ.

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by Alvin Flummux » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:21 am

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Jon Favereau's live action Star Wars series, detailed at last by the man himself!



No trailers yet, but it sounds exciting!!

First image, directors announced!





:wub: That is going to be so good.

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by Alvin Flummux » Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:36 pm

I'm sure this'll raise some hackles around here, but here we go.

Video contains TLJ spoilers.


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by Parksey » Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:08 am

That's a pretty good video, and the end line, whilst trite, reflects how I felt about the movie when I watched it last year.

During the movie, I was aware that I wasn't actually enjoying it. It didn't hit the east marks that TFA did - the callbacks, the basic, familiar plot, the tropes - and it didn't feel much like Star Wars too. Only really the Like and Rey parts felt like what I expected, and the rest was a disappointing. The cameo was a high point as it felt like something joyous and for the fans. And I'm not actually a big fan of Star Wars so I could understand why more die-hard ones were disappointing.

But almost immediately after the film ended, I was reading stuff about it. I was aware it was divisive before I watched it, so I went back to see all the discussion when it first released. And I came to understand and appreciate what the film did.

I actually think it's clearly a film that has a lot of thought put in to it. As that video explains, it's clearly been constructed and designed to portray certain things and there's clearly been consideration of what the characters are, what needs to change within them and where they need to be.

In retrospect I really like the Luke-Kylo-Rey core of the film. It's really compelling and, regardless of what people say about Luke, I think it's well done. I think here it's because a lot of people expected something that didn't come to pass.

I would have to rewatch the film a second time to see if I can reappraise the Finn/Rose and Poe/Holdo/Leia bits. I felt like these dragged quite a bit and I was always just wanting to go back to the main plotline. I have a feeling that, though I may appreciate more what they tried to do with those other characters, that the film may still flag slightly in those parts. It's definitely not perfect.

But I think a lot of criticism has been wildly misplaced. You've had claims that the film was "badly written" or "made no sense". I would argue strongly against that. When yob watch that video, you can clearly see why it has been written like that. You can clearly see there was a lot of thought behind the writing process. The fact that you think hyperspace rules have been wildly broken or that Luke's character has been destroyed (of course not, characters can change over the course of 30 years and, indeed, should change) don't alter that. It wasn't the film certain fans wanted, and they can't see behind that. And sadly it's become a bit of a shitshow, with Rose, Holdo Kathleen Kennedy, Rian Johnson etc all been accused of killing Star Wars.

Some people say that they deliberately tried to subvert expectations for its own sake and I don't think that's necessarily true either. I think part of the problem is how the "mysteries" were set up in TFA, but they may
Keep stuff lie Rey's parents serve the narrative, rather than compel attention just by being something teased and unknown.

I still like TFA - I watched it just before The Last Jedi and it's an enjoyable, fast-paced movie. But The Last Jedi is definitely the more interesting of the two. Interesting may not necessarily mean "good" but it tries to do something with its characters and plotting that at least should be applauded, when we're 8 films into a series. Doesn't mean you have to like it, but I think some of the criticisms are way off the mark.

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by Tafdolphin » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:54 am

Alvin Flummux wrote:I'm sure this'll raise some hackles around here, but here we go.

Video contains TLJ spoilers.



Great video.

I've seen a lot of moaning about how the film is objectively bad, that it makes no sense and that is a bad piece of filmmaking. This categorically debunks this notion.

I still think it's the second best SW film, and every time I watch it, it becomes closer and closer to being my favourite.

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by Gemini73 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:46 am

I've watched TLJ three times now. It's not my favourite SW film, but it's certainly not the worst - that accolade still goes to Attack of the Clones.

That said I would strongly recommend watching the Clone Wars and Rebels animated series as they do a hell of a lot in knitting the SW universe altogether, far more than the core films achieve on their own.

For example, I see a lot of "fans" scratching their heads at that reveal in Solo stating it doesn't make sense. Well it actually makes perfect sense if you've watched the animated series. Star Wars is more than just eight films.

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by Ad7 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:18 pm

So I'm not a star wars 'fan' because I haven't watched a children's cartoon?

It's a failing of the film to not have an explanation of why that scene was there. You shouldn't be relying on having watched something aimed at children to understand something in a film that's supposed to be a self contained story and be enjoyed by causal and hard-core fans alike.

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by Moggy » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:31 pm

Ad7 wrote:So I'm not a star wars 'fan' because I haven't watched a children's cartoon?

It's a failing of the film to not have an explanation of why that scene was there. You shouldn't be relying on having watched something aimed at children to understand something in a film that's supposed to be a self contained story and be enjoyed by causal and hard-core fans alike.


You know the films are children’s movies, right?

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by Frank » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:32 pm

What does Rebels do to explain that scene other than showing Maul was still alive? I watched the episode where Obi-Wan kills him the other day. Bit of an anticlimax

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by Gemini73 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:02 pm

The fact remains that Star Wars isn't confined to just eight movies and hasn't been for a long time. Whether you agree with that is neither here nor there. If you want the bigger picture, then you've got to branch out beyond the movies.

Also why immediately dismiss Rebels and Clones? Because they're aimed at children? The movies are kids films, so logically speaking why not dismiss those as well?

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by Gemini73 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:11 pm

Frank wrote:What does Rebels do to explain that scene other than showing Maul was still alive? I watched the episode where Obi-Wan kills him the other day. Bit of an anticlimax


Have you watched everything leading up to that point? Obviously not as you'd understand why their reunion wasn't a drawn out battle.

Having not watched any previous SW movies you don't suddenly jump into Return of the Jedi and then complain that the Emperor's death was an anti-climax. :lol:

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by Frank » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:13 pm

Not the same thing at all though

(It was a genuine question, though - how does rebels explain that scene other than saying "oh beeteedub this guy that died actually didn't")

I'm only up to season 2 on my Rebels watching, but that episode came on when I was in Disneyland so I figured I might as well watch it :slol:

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by DarkRula » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:21 pm

Rebels doesn't do the explaining of why he's alive though. That's The Clone Wars. The Rebels story is his trying to get back on the map after having his history destroyed a second time.

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by Gemini73 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:25 pm

Yes, when I say "everything leading up to that point" that includes Clones. Sorry, should have been more clear.

I've definitely found that as I've looked at the bigger picture of the SW universe the individual debates about single movies have started become less important. The movies are not self contained, they're part of a much wider tale. If the individual viewer chooses to ignore this and rely on the 8 movies alone then, as far as I see it, you're in no position to complain if not everything makes sense.

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I get the impression that because Clones and Rebels are 'cartoons' they're perceived as somehow more kiddy like, but the reality is that they're no more or less for children in their delivery than the movies. For example, Vader ordering The Inquisitor to hunt down (and clearly slay) the children of the Jedi? Pretty dark and no different from what you'd expect to see in the movies. This isn't Scooby Doo we're talking about here.

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by Parksey » Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:52 pm

Ad7 wrote:So I'm not a star wars 'fan' because I haven't watched a children's cartoon?

It's a failing of the film to not have an explanation of why that scene was there. You shouldn't be relying on having watched something aimed at children to understand something in a film that's supposed to be a self contained story and be enjoyed by causal and hard-core fans alike.


I'll spoiler this just in case anyone hasn't seen Solo yet and is going in completely blind.

Yep, it was a bit of a self-indulgent cameo that was always going to confuse a large part of its viewership.

There's a whole range of SW media that expands on what is in the film. More if you count the stuff that was stricken off and is no longer canon. A lot of Star Wars fans will consume this media.

The problem is that there are probably even who just stick to the cinema stuff. I enjoy Star Wars and I would say image fan, in the sense that I watch and rewatch the.movies, but that's as far as I go. I play the games occasionally but they tend to not veer too far into EU stuff anyway.

If you stick a cameo in a movie, I think you should make sure it makes sense for the movie-going fans. It was a bizarre decision as it was bloody obvious that it was going to confuse those who weren't familiar with stuff outside the movies.

It's like how Halo 4's plot was reliant on you having read a novel beforehand. Stop it. You don't ciphon off bits of plot elsewhere. While Solo wasn't that bad, it stick a cameo on that conflicted with what previous movies had shown before.

There's an argument that maybe they were going to make Solo a series of films and expand on this further, though that may not happen now. I still think they could have handled it better.

It was clearly going to baffle people who's only other knowledge of Maul was from TPM. So you got people then thinking Solo had a messed up timeline and was set before all that.

I thought the cameo was clumsy fan service first, and a plot point a distant setting. Even clumsier when you consider a good portion of those fans aren't going to know what's going on.


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