the state of some of the people in this thread - when someone is suffering in the cubicle next to me i offer them support and sometimes even some loo paper if theyre running low are you all foreign? this is how we do it in the UK
I currently live and work in Hamburg, and there has been an opportunity to go to the London office in Covent Garden for 3 months from mid September, with a generous monthly bonus (generous to me anyway). I lived in London before, so I'm not concerned about that. However, my gf would stay in Hamburg for the time I'm there and would have to move in to a flat share whilst I'm away (where we currently live our contract ends in early October), and I would stay cheaply at her parents house in London.
The thing is, we are actually in the process of looking to move to Asia by around January (possibly before if something amazing comes up), and this 3 month period ends in mid December. The only reason I'm thinking of going is purely for the bonus payment, as in Asia I'm not sure what I will do for work, whereas my gf is a very good English teacher.
My notice period is 4 weeks, so I would be keeping the whole "I might move to Asia after this 3 month job ends" quiet with my work. Whilst in my head that would be ok to take the job, but know that I would actually hand in my notice before the project ends, I thought I might ask what other people would do in that situation.
I'm also planning to go on holiday in November....
Why do potential employers ask what salary you are currently on and what you expect to be paid even though this range is in the job description already?
I got asked yesterday during my interview. When asked how much I currently get paid I gave the wrong figure by mistake as I forgotten that I had a payrise of £2k recently. Will this matter that I have the wrong value? Then when I got asked how much I expected to get I just said early 40s instead of giving an exact figure. He ended up writing down 40+ on the form. Is that stupid of me considering th job description said £42 to 53k depending on experience. Have I sold myself short or had any negative effect on the chances of me getting the job?
The job description only gives a range, and it's only a guideline. It's a negotiation, and there are many factors that will weigh in to where you pitch yourself. You don't have to (and probably shouldn't) disclose your current wage - it probably won't help your side (as presumably you're aiming higher), but it will give them a comparison point to judge your value against.
Nothing you can this time do now you've given them a number, but in the future consider not answering.
When we do interviews at my place we often get details of a candidates current salary through with their CV - either from our own HR department or from a recruitment agency if that is how the candidate has arrived at us.
It can be useful information in terms of understanding how big a jump someone is expecting to be able to make in terms of salary, as well as allowing you to contextualise their reasons for looking to leave their current/previous employer; i.e. were they being undervalued.
If someone is looking to make a large salary jump then we would have higher expectations on them to demonstrate how they are worth that much - "you're current employer didn't think you were worth more than £30k so why should we pay you £45k exactly?". This is particularly valuable when the employee only appears to have a limited amount of experience from their CV - "you've only been working in this industry for 2 years, why should we hire you at the rate we are paying people who have been here for 5+ years?" (that's obviously not necessarily how I would phrase these questions in a real interview! )
All that said if we didn't have their current figure on the forms with us I don't think I would necessarily ask them to tell me it during the interview - unless there were any reason to suspect that they are not worth the kind of figure they are asking for and we suspect they are trying their luck.
Obviously hiring practices and interview approaches will differ from place to place but here we would offer someone what we think they are worth based on their skills, experience and suitability for the role - that may be in line with someones expectations or it may not, but at the end of the day it's a negotiation and both parties are looking to get the best deal they can.
Yes you shouldn't low ball the the salary range stated in the job description or undervalue yourself, sorry but that was a mistake, just move on. Chances are you might be offered the job because you're a more economical choice amongst other factors, but that's not an uncommon question in interviews. The easy way to ace it is to know what the salary range is and ask for at least the middle of that, can't really go wrong. A little confidence always looks good, remember you are selling yourself.
I have a lot of experience in that respect because I am doing this almost every day selling stuff. Generally speaking:
I can do it for this relatively low price = no reply, more demanding, asks for free gooseberry fool, slow and annoying to work with I can do it for this somewhat high price but I will be good the best better than the rest - more respect for your time, more receptive, doesn't ask for extras (and if does, pays for it), pays on time, etc. Then if you work hard it doesn't matter because you feel fairly compensated for that.
In any given monetary situation low balls are always a bad thing in my experience and if you low ball forever chances are you will be (a) miserable due to (b) consistently earning less than everyone else for the same work and generally working just as hard if not harder. Why? Because, whoever your debtor is, if they don't have to pay you more, they wont! Simple as.
Squinty wrote:Fairly sure I got stuck beside someone having a cheeky wank in my last job as well. LAD.
Must admit, I've been tempted before (to relieve some stress on one of those horrendous days when I'm at boiling point) but never came close to following through on the idea given the atrocious state of the work's toilets and the zoo-like stench that leaks out into the staff corridor outside after my lovely colleagues have emptied themselves of the previous day's takeways and lunchtime Rustlers burgers.