The Work Thread 2 - Get back to work!

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by Errkal » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:31 pm

Green Gecko wrote:That sounds like hell to reset the password. By which I mean, great job. :D


Its only for when you have forgotten it so the system will collect the answers to 6 of the questions, then when you want to reset you are asked 2 of those questions picked at random and then you password can be reset, so not so bad.

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by Green Gecko » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:14 pm

Oh right. I thought you had to answer all 6 each time you reset/recover :lol:

all you would then need to do is have username, password and log in button on separate screens.

also add a "remember me" checkbox that doesn't remember you

and every time you log-in have a big red banner with an important company announcement. you have to dismiss it 3 times in total just to make sure people actually read it.

and don't forget a pop-up every 5 minutes asking you if you are "still there" to log you out in case you are logged in in an insecure place like your living room.

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PostRe: RE: Re: RE: Re: The Work Thread 2 - Get back to work!
by Death's Head » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:15 pm

Jenuall wrote:
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Jenuall wrote:So my interview went really well and they offered me a job there and then! :toot:

Salary would be similar to what I'm on now but the work is more interesting, it's closer to home and they seem to be very flexible over working hours which is great from a family perspective.

However current place are now seeming keen to keep me on and have gone away to think about what they can offer me to try and stop me from walking!


You go girl!

Great opportunity here if you want to stay with your existing company and get more money or career advancement. Although you could ask your existing company if you are worth more to them, why have they been underpaying you and if you do stay with them, when will any rise be backdated to....


Cheers!

Yeah I'm not sure what level of negotiation I can get into now, with either side. My gut tells me to go with the new role as it seems to be genuinely more interesting and offers greater flexibility, but if my current place comes back with a ridiculous offer I might find it hard to turn down! If that does happen do people think it's valid to talk to the new place and say "my current job have offered me this to stay, can you match it?" Or is that being too cheeky?
No, not cheeky at all. Early on in my career (1994, one year after I started work on £10k) I was on 17.5k and my original boss who had moved elsewhere offered me a job at his place for £20k. So I was all set to resign and the director of my current company offered me £21k to stay. So I went back to my new potential employer and said I've been offered £21. So they said we will give you £23. I then went back to my current company and said, match the £23k and I will stay. They gave me £23.5k and I stayed where I was. I enjoyed the job anyway and being given an extra 6k sweetened the deal.

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by Hypes » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:36 pm

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:37 pm

Moggy wrote:Our temporary team leader (our proper team leader is on maternity leave) is still acting like a power mad prick. The woman I work with got dragged into a meeting room yesterday where he had a go at her for not showing him the proper respect, he kept saying that “I am in charge and I don’t like the way you speak to me”. She was flabbergasted, she is slightly mental but not the sort to talk to people in a nasty way.

Our proper team leader always said that as long as it doesn’t impact workloads she was happy for people to leave early if they needed to, as long as the time was made up. Temporary dickhead had a moan yesterday when somebody needed to leave a little early (their childminder was ill) and has now emailed everyone to tell us that “we do not operate flexitime and any future requests to leave early will be rejected”.

All this while he still occasionally decides to “work from home” without telling anybody. :lol:

Insecure little cock. :fp:

Psycho Director outlawed flexitime while she was in charge. I operated it with my teams illegally for over a year without her finding out 8-).

I now do it openly and everyone seems to agree it's a good idea. I don't understand the benefit to not doing it. If you don't allow someone to leave when they really need to (but it's not quite emergency level) do you really think they're going to perform to their ability while you've got them for the remaining hour or whatever it is :lol: then on top of that you've pissed them off in general, so they are more likely to act the banana split in future.

Also it means whenever I need it I can just piss off early as an honest man, without trying to blag that I'm going to a meeting or something.

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by Moggy » Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:03 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Moggy wrote:Our temporary team leader (our proper team leader is on maternity leave) is still acting like a power mad prick. The woman I work with got dragged into a meeting room yesterday where he had a go at her for not showing him the proper respect, he kept saying that “I am in charge and I don’t like the way you speak to me”. She was flabbergasted, she is slightly mental but not the sort to talk to people in a nasty way.

Our proper team leader always said that as long as it doesn’t impact workloads she was happy for people to leave early if they needed to, as long as the time was made up. Temporary dickhead had a moan yesterday when somebody needed to leave a little early (their childminder was ill) and has now emailed everyone to tell us that “we do not operate flexitime and any future requests to leave early will be rejected”.

All this while he still occasionally decides to “work from home” without telling anybody. :lol:

Insecure little cock. :fp:

Psycho Director outlawed flexitime while she was in charge. I operated it with my teams illegally for over a year without her finding out 8-).

I now do it openly and everyone seems to agree it's a good idea. I don't understand the benefit to not doing it. If you don't allow someone to leave when they really need to (but it's not quite emergency level) do you really think they're going to perform to their ability while you've got them for the remaining hour or whatever it is :lol: then on top of that you've pissed them off in general, so they are more likely to act the banana split in future.

Also it means whenever I need it I can just piss off early as an honest man, without trying to blag that I'm going to a meeting or something.


It’ll blow up in his face eventually as he’s really starting to piss off essential team members. If they start quitting then questions will be asked, which won’t help him get a proper promotion in future.

Plus we’ll all be asked to rate his performance for the end of year appraisals. It’s not going to go well. :lol:

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PostRe: The Work Thread 2 - Get back to work!
by Green Gecko » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:39 am

Weak guy afraid of looking weak so dishes out dick moves rather than earning respect through leadership.

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by Errkal » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:52 am

Green Gecko wrote:Weak guy afraid of looking weak so dishes out dick moves rather than earning respect through leadership.


Some people seem to think the fact they got to management should be respected and so they are superior because of it, it is very odd.

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by Moggy » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:12 am

Errkal wrote:
Green Gecko wrote:Weak guy afraid of looking weak so dishes out dick moves rather than earning respect through leadership.


Some people seem to think the fact they got to management should be respected and so they are superior because of it, it is very odd.


Pretty much, this guy is only in charge until our actual team leader gets back from maternity leave, so his insecurity is driving him to be what he thinks is “A BOSS” but he is missing out what makes somebody a good leader. We have had the problem before with temporary team leaders, they seem to think cracking the whip is a good strategy for advancing themselves permanently, but it always blows up in their faces.

A few years ago the temporary team leader that was put in place was truly evil. She got so bad that she insisted somebody make up the time when that person had been to a funeral. The person agreed to make up the time before the end of the month, but was then constantly hounded about “when will the hours be made up?” “Why did you leave at a normal time when you still owe hours?”. She was unpopular anyway but everyone turned on her when that came out, when the actual team leader came back, the temporary one was put onto a team by herself and left soon after. :lol:

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by Death's Head » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:32 am

Moggy wrote:
Errkal wrote:
Green Gecko wrote:Weak guy afraid of looking weak so dishes out dick moves rather than earning respect through leadership.


Some people seem to think the fact they got to management should be respected and so they are superior because of it, it is very odd.


Pretty much, this guy is only in charge until our actual team leader gets back from maternity leave, so his insecurity is driving him to be what he thinks is “A BOSS” but he is missing out what makes somebody a good leader. We have had the problem before with temporary team leaders, they seem to think cracking the whip is a good strategy for advancing themselves permanently, but it always blows up in their faces.

A few years ago the temporary team leader that was put in place was truly evil. She got so bad that she insisted somebody make up the time when that person had been to a funeral. The person agreed to make up the time before the end of the month, but was then constantly hounded about “when will the hours be made up?” “Why did you leave at a normal time when you still owe hours?”. She was unpopular anyway but everyone turned on her when that came out, when the actual team leader came back, the temporary one was put onto a team by herself and left soon after. [emoji38]
That is your company's fault. Sounds like they are just picking people at random for the job and not checking whether they are suitable or have any relevant experience.

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by Errkal » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:38 am

Death's Head wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Errkal wrote:
Green Gecko wrote:Weak guy afraid of looking weak so dishes out dick moves rather than earning respect through leadership.


Some people seem to think the fact they got to management should be respected and so they are superior because of it, it is very odd.


Pretty much, this guy is only in charge until our actual team leader gets back from maternity leave, so his insecurity is driving him to be what he thinks is “A BOSS” but he is missing out what makes somebody a good leader. We have had the problem before with temporary team leaders, they seem to think cracking the whip is a good strategy for advancing themselves permanently, but it always blows up in their faces.

A few years ago the temporary team leader that was put in place was truly evil. She got so bad that she insisted somebody make up the time when that person had been to a funeral. The person agreed to make up the time before the end of the month, but was then constantly hounded about “when will the hours be made up?” “Why did you leave at a normal time when you still owe hours?”. She was unpopular anyway but everyone turned on her when that came out, when the actual team leader came back, the temporary one was put onto a team by herself and left soon after. [emoji38]
That is your company's fault. Sounds like they are just picking people at random for the job and not checking whether they are suitable or have any relevant experience.

I guess it is people who has shown promise or whatever so they give then a shot, the person wants to show they can improve efficiency or whatever and so get a permanent gig as a boss man but think the way they do it is to smack down slacking of any kind with the logic of if you have less "down time" there is more working time happening and so more work going on.

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by 1cmanny1 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:43 am

There's a fine balance between being too soft and a dick though.

For example today someone that reports to me got in an argument with a manager.
I wanted to say "Pull your head in, you never win arguments with managers and you just look like a trouble maker".

Instead I had to act sympathetic, as I felt at the time being angry with him would just make it worse. Not sure if that was the best approach.
He threatened to leave but I just said "that's your choice". I wanted to say "Yes, you have been here far far far too long". Unfortunately people that threaten to leave never leave, as they want to be convinced to stay.

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by Moggy » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:59 am

Death's Head wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Errkal wrote:
Green Gecko wrote:Weak guy afraid of looking weak so dishes out dick moves rather than earning respect through leadership.


Some people seem to think the fact they got to management should be respected and so they are superior because of it, it is very odd.


Pretty much, this guy is only in charge until our actual team leader gets back from maternity leave, so his insecurity is driving him to be what he thinks is “A BOSS” but he is missing out what makes somebody a good leader. We have had the problem before with temporary team leaders, they seem to think cracking the whip is a good strategy for advancing themselves permanently, but it always blows up in their faces.

A few years ago the temporary team leader that was put in place was truly evil. She got so bad that she insisted somebody make up the time when that person had been to a funeral. The person agreed to make up the time before the end of the month, but was then constantly hounded about “when will the hours be made up?” “Why did you leave at a normal time when you still owe hours?”. She was unpopular anyway but everyone turned on her when that came out, when the actual team leader came back, the temporary one was put onto a team by herself and left soon after. [emoji38]
That is your company's fault. Sounds like they are just picking people at random for the job and not checking whether they are suitable or have any relevant experience.


Ultimately it is the companies fault, but to be fair to them they often don’t have much choice. We have quite small teams here, if somebody is off for maternity leave or long term sick, then they have few options to choose from. A lot of the team members would not have enough experience of the work to be able to be a team leader, a lot of the people that do have experience wouldn’t want to do it (including myself!) and so they are left with a couple of people to choose from.

For a temporary team leader role, nobody would have the experience of leading a team so it is always going to be a gamble. It usually ends badly but the company has very few options.

I was reading something the other day that was pointing out how unsuitable people often get promoted thanks to the idea that to be successful you have to be rising up the ranks. Somebody can be doing a fantastic job in one specific role, get promoted to management because of how good they were at that one role and then find that they are really not suitable for management. Which fits with my work situation at the moment, the guy I have been talking about is fantastic at what he does in his normal role, but he is just not suitable to lead people.

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by Death's Head » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:33 am

That is totally correct. Being a good manager requires certain skills that you don't get by being good at a non management job.

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by Jenuall » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:58 am

It's classic Peter Principle stuff - people get promoted to their level of incompetence.

If you're good at the job you are doing then people will promote you to another job - but being good at Job A does not mean you are going to be good at Job B!

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by Moggy » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:06 am

Jenuall wrote:It's classic Peter Principle stuff - people get promoted to their level of incompetence.

If you're good at the job you are doing then people will promote you to another job - but being good at Job A does not mean you are going to be good at Job B!


Yep.

It is difficult for my company though, we are basically in teams of around 7 people, 1 team leader, 3 “seniors” and 3 “juniors”. If the team leader is away then they only have 3 people to choose from to temporally make the step up. On my team, 2 of us were not interested at all and so that only left one person. He is good at his job and gets great results, the trouble is he is not a people person and would be much better off left to his spreadsheets.

They should probably have looked around the other teams, but if this guy wanted to do it, I can see why they thought to give him the chance. Maybe he will chill out a bit over the next few months when he realises that the team basically runs itself and we only really need him to authorise holiday requests.... ;)

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by Drumstick » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:07 am

Shouldn't he already be aware of that?

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by Errkal » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:08 am

You would also think he would be realise it was temporary so after this he has to go back into the team as a normo, which is really really going to work badly if you spend your time as the boss being an A grade dick head

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by Moggy » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:13 am

Drumstick wrote:Shouldn't he already be aware of that?


Yes but I think the power has gone to his head a bit. He'll learn. :lol:

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by Jenuall » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:24 am

I do find it odd just how quickly the character and attitude of some people can change when they get put into a position of authority, especially when it's on a temporary basis.

I think some people must think that this is there moment to shine and that they will be able to "grab the bull by the horns" and demonstrate something amazing to the higher ups that will then result in their further promotion and eventual rule over everything! Whereas in reality they just end up pissing everyone off and probably getting worse results than if they had just let everyone get on with their jobs with minimal oversight.


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