The Work Thread 2 - Get back to work!

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by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:29 am

pjbetman wrote:Job at Amazon as delivery driver is, er, basically gooseberry fool! 8am start, get loaded up at about 830...been averaging about 180-200 parcels per day. Supposed to be a 9 hour day (so, 8-5 with 1 hour of breaks), but regularly been working until 8pm, and still bringing 10-20 parcels back! It's insane. Not only that they expect you to work for free, but that people actually do it. Told them I want to reduce my hours...still gonna be working for nothing for about 2-4 hours per day. Obviously people need money for xmas and stuff, and maybe the workload is increased due to xmas, even though there's probably extra drivers to cover. Pity, coz the job is actually ok to do...it's just the 11-12 hour days and only 9 hours pay that's the problem.

He's one greedy banana split that Jeff Bezos. He earns $98 MILLION dollars per day.


It sounds awful. :dread:

The basic idea of being a delivery driver sounds great to me, I enjoy driving and handing over a few parcels a day sounds like a good compromise for me spending a day listening to the radio/Spotify/podcasts.

The reality of it though….

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by Advent7 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:42 am

Be a yodel driver and get the best of both worlds. Drive around all day and don't deliver a thing.

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by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:43 am

Ad7 wrote:Be a yodel driver and get the best of both worlds. Drive around all day and don't deliver a thing.


That would be a good plan, except Yodel drivers are expected to knock on the door and then run away before the customer has a chance of opening it. All that sprinting away sounds tiring to me.

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by Snowballday » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:49 am

Moggy wrote:
Ad7 wrote:Be a yodel driver and get the best of both worlds. Drive around all day and don't deliver a thing.


That would be a good plan, except Yodel drivers are expected to knock on the door and then run away before the customer has a chance of opening it.

Or hug the customer who ordered the item... I'm scared to order stuff now just in case he delivers anything again!

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by Snowy » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:59 am

pjbetman wrote:Job at Amazon as delivery driver is, er, basically gooseberry fool! 8am start, get loaded up at about 830...been averaging about 180-200 parcels per day. Supposed to be a 9 hour day (so, 8-5 with 1 hour of breaks), but regularly been working until 8pm, and still bringing 10-20 parcels back! It's insane. Not only that they expect you to work for free, but that people actually do it. Told them I want to reduce my hours...still gonna be working for nothing for about 2-4 hours per day. Obviously people need money for xmas and stuff, and maybe the workload is increased due to xmas, even though there's probably extra drivers to cover. Pity, coz the job is actually ok to do...it's just the 11-12 hour days and only 9 hours pay that's the problem.

He's one greedy banana split that Jeff Bezos. He earns $98 MILLION dollars per day.


I'm confused about the working for free part? How are you paid? On salary or by the hour?

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by pjbetman » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:23 pm

Ad7 wrote:Be a yodel driver and get the best of both worlds. Drive around all day and don't deliver a thing.


:lol: :lol:

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by Tomous » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:24 pm

Sandy wrote:
pjbetman wrote:Job at Amazon as delivery driver is, er, basically gooseberry fool! 8am start, get loaded up at about 830...been averaging about 180-200 parcels per day. Supposed to be a 9 hour day (so, 8-5 with 1 hour of breaks), but regularly been working until 8pm, and still bringing 10-20 parcels back! It's insane. Not only that they expect you to work for free, but that people actually do it. Told them I want to reduce my hours...still gonna be working for nothing for about 2-4 hours per day. Obviously people need money for xmas and stuff, and maybe the workload is increased due to xmas, even though there's probably extra drivers to cover. Pity, coz the job is actually ok to do...it's just the 11-12 hour days and only 9 hours pay that's the problem.

He's one greedy banana split that Jeff Bezos. He earns $98 MILLION dollars per day.


I'm confused about the working for free part? How are you paid? On salary or by the hour?


I don't know if this is the case for pjbetman but I think Amazon Logistics follow the Uber model of using self-employed 'contractors' so they don't have to pay for standard employee benefits or comply with employment law. Drivers are paid a set fee for a route with a number of parcels that's impossible to complete in a standard day and in reality end up earning below minimum wage, with no rights.

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by pjbetman » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:25 pm

Sandy wrote:
pjbetman wrote:Job at Amazon as delivery driver is, er, basically gooseberry fool! 8am start, get loaded up at about 830...been averaging about 180-200 parcels per day. Supposed to be a 9 hour day (so, 8-5 with 1 hour of breaks), but regularly been working until 8pm, and still bringing 10-20 parcels back! It's insane. Not only that they expect you to work for free, but that people actually do it. Told them I want to reduce my hours...still gonna be working for nothing for about 2-4 hours per day. Obviously people need money for xmas and stuff, and maybe the workload is increased due to xmas, even though there's probably extra drivers to cover. Pity, coz the job is actually ok to do...it's just the 11-12 hour days and only 9 hours pay that's the problem.

He's one greedy banana split that Jeff Bezos. He earns $98 MILLION dollars per day.


I'm confused about the working for free part? How are you paid? On salary or by the hour?


It's a day rate. £137 per day...for 9 hours. However, I'm regularly doing 10-12 hours for nothing extra. (They take £32 off you for hiring their van too. Would be much better with own contract hired van)

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by pjbetman » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:28 pm

Moggy wrote:
pjbetman wrote:Job at Amazon as delivery driver is, er, basically gooseberry fool! 8am start, get loaded up at about 830...been averaging about 180-200 parcels per day. Supposed to be a 9 hour day (so, 8-5 with 1 hour of breaks), but regularly been working until 8pm, and still bringing 10-20 parcels back! It's insane. Not only that they expect you to work for free, but that people actually do it. Told them I want to reduce my hours...still gonna be working for nothing for about 2-4 hours per day. Obviously people need money for xmas and stuff, and maybe the workload is increased due to xmas, even though there's probably extra drivers to cover. Pity, coz the job is actually ok to do...it's just the 11-12 hour days and only 9 hours pay that's the problem.

He's one greedy banana split that Jeff Bezos. He earns $98 MILLION dollars per day.


It sounds awful. :dread:

The basic idea of being a delivery driver sounds great to me, I enjoy driving and handing over a few parcels a day sounds like a good compromise for me spending a day listening to the radio/Spotify/podcasts.

The reality of it though….


Yeah, the actual job of driving round, and delivering small parcels is pretty good, all things considered...and the pay is decent. But when I was promised 100-140 parcels per day but in reality it's 160-240, it's a bit of a piss take. I'm pretty sure I could take them to court for either breach of contract or something. I should probably stick with it until xmas and it'll probably reduce down to reasonable figures after.

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by pjbetman » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:30 pm

Tomous wrote:
Sandy wrote:
pjbetman wrote:Job at Amazon as delivery driver is, er, basically gooseberry fool! 8am start, get loaded up at about 830...been averaging about 180-200 parcels per day. Supposed to be a 9 hour day (so, 8-5 with 1 hour of breaks), but regularly been working until 8pm, and still bringing 10-20 parcels back! It's insane. Not only that they expect you to work for free, but that people actually do it. Told them I want to reduce my hours...still gonna be working for nothing for about 2-4 hours per day. Obviously people need money for xmas and stuff, and maybe the workload is increased due to xmas, even though there's probably extra drivers to cover. Pity, coz the job is actually ok to do...it's just the 11-12 hour days and only 9 hours pay that's the problem.

He's one greedy banana split that Jeff Bezos. He earns $98 MILLION dollars per day.


I'm confused about the working for free part? How are you paid? On salary or by the hour?


I don't know if this is the case for pjbetman but I think Amazon Logistics follow the Uber model of using self-employed 'contractors' so they don't have to pay for standard employee benefits or comply with employment law. Drivers are paid a set fee for a route with a number of parcels that's impossible to complete in a standard day and in reality end up earning below minimum wage, with no rights.


Yes that's exactly right, although, I've been given a contract of 100-140 parcels per day for £137...I've been averaging probably around 180-190 per day...so I should be getting more like £200 per day.

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by Snowy » Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:44 pm

This should be illegal.

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by I Believe In Stool Bloke » Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:51 pm

Do you say anything when they're loading up? Could you point out you're being given more than you should?

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by Harry Ellis » Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:53 pm

"I'm contracted for up to a maximum of 140 items a day" should do it.

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by Sleighamorph » Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:53 pm

"Ok, we're terminating your contract then"

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by Harry Ellis » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:55 pm

On what basis?

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by pjbetman » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:55 pm

Lagamorph wrote:"Ok, we're terminating your contract then"



That's basically it...there isn't a set number of days they set for you, so they could just say they don't need you anymore. I'm a fool for staying with it but financially I need it. Got plans for the new year, so i'll stick it til then...probably.

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by Green Gecko » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:12 am

Standard contractor abuse really. The trouble is you don't offer a unique proposition. All you can do is look for better pay for the same job. Have you looked at other couriers like DPD. I've been told they pay a lot better.

You should start tracking your own performance so you can pitch for better contracts. Or negotiate down the amount you will do for Amazon, get your own van, and put those extra hours to work for some other company that will pay for them.

Sandy wrote:This should be illegal.

It actually is now. If you're only working for one client it's legally employment not independent contracting, and comes with the same benefits, even if they don't say it is they wouldn't win against HMRC if a case was made against them... Although Amazon aren't a UK company.

Trouble is the drivers have Amazon get away with it by essentially ignoring the law.

Last time I left work as a contactor was because I "would work better as part of a team" even though they had admitted in the same email to my agent I had demonstrated I had all the skills they needed. All I asked was if I could know what days I would be needed on in advance as per the terms of my contract. What a load of gooseberry fool.

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by Sleighamorph » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:04 am

Drumstick wrote:On what basis?

With less than 2 years service they don't need one.

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by andretmzt » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:36 am

pjbetman wrote:
Tomous wrote:
Sandy wrote:
pjbetman wrote:Job at Amazon as delivery driver is, er, basically gooseberry fool! 8am start, get loaded up at about 830...been averaging about 180-200 parcels per day. Supposed to be a 9 hour day (so, 8-5 with 1 hour of breaks), but regularly been working until 8pm, and still bringing 10-20 parcels back! It's insane. Not only that they expect you to work for free, but that people actually do it. Told them I want to reduce my hours...still gonna be working for nothing for about 2-4 hours per day. Obviously people need money for xmas and stuff, and maybe the workload is increased due to xmas, even though there's probably extra drivers to cover. Pity, coz the job is actually ok to do...it's just the 11-12 hour days and only 9 hours pay that's the problem.

He's one greedy banana split that Jeff Bezos. He earns $98 MILLION dollars per day.


I'm confused about the working for free part? How are you paid? On salary or by the hour?


I don't know if this is the case for pjbetman but I think Amazon Logistics follow the Uber model of using self-employed 'contractors' so they don't have to pay for standard employee benefits or comply with employment law. Drivers are paid a set fee for a route with a number of parcels that's impossible to complete in a standard day and in reality end up earning below minimum wage, with no rights.


Yes that's exactly right, although, I've been given a contract of 100-140 parcels per day for £137...I've been averaging probably around 180-190 per day...so I should be getting more like £200 per day.


Does anything happen to couriers when a package isn't delivered or isn't delivered correctly? Looks like my monitor from yesterday got nabbed, or a neighbour rescued it from the rain (need to check that...) but regardless of that does the courier get fined? Sacked even?

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by pjbetman » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:13 pm

andretmzt wrote:
pjbetman wrote:
Tomous wrote:
Sandy wrote:
pjbetman wrote:Job at Amazon as delivery driver is, er, basically gooseberry fool! 8am start, get loaded up at about 830...been averaging about 180-200 parcels per day. Supposed to be a 9 hour day (so, 8-5 with 1 hour of breaks), but regularly been working until 8pm, and still bringing 10-20 parcels back! It's insane. Not only that they expect you to work for free, but that people actually do it. Told them I want to reduce my hours...still gonna be working for nothing for about 2-4 hours per day. Obviously people need money for xmas and stuff, and maybe the workload is increased due to xmas, even though there's probably extra drivers to cover. Pity, coz the job is actually ok to do...it's just the 11-12 hour days and only 9 hours pay that's the problem.

He's one greedy banana split that Jeff Bezos. He earns $98 MILLION dollars per day.


I'm confused about the working for free part? How are you paid? On salary or by the hour?


I don't know if this is the case for pjbetman but I think Amazon Logistics follow the Uber model of using self-employed 'contractors' so they don't have to pay for standard employee benefits or comply with employment law. Drivers are paid a set fee for a route with a number of parcels that's impossible to complete in a standard day and in reality end up earning below minimum wage, with no rights.


Yes that's exactly right, although, I've been given a contract of 100-140 parcels per day for £137...I've been averaging probably around 180-190 per day...so I should be getting more like £200 per day.


Does anything happen to couriers when a package isn't delivered or isn't delivered correctly? Looks like my monitor from yesterday got nabbed, or a neighbour rescued it from the rain (need to check that...) but regardless of that does the courier get fined? Sacked even?


The delivery driver is only allowed to put the parcel either in the letterbox, in the persons hands, in a neighbours hands, or in a customer specified safe place. If you haven't specified a safe place and the driver decides to leave it in a 'safe place' of his choosing, and it goes missing, then the delivery driver is responsible. I think Amazon would make the driver pay for it, as he could've actually stolen it. Not sure on the full script on that, but that's the jist. If the delivery driver puts it in your specified safe place and it goes missing, then that's your responsibility.


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