Things that annoy you - Now with more than one person moaning

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DaddyBrown wrote:The biggest problem is that the police are outnumbered and simply can't control the situation.

was a reply to this

Floex wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:People at my place who turn up late still always leave bang on time (or slightly early). Really pisses me off seeing that.

Why? It's not your business so why are you bothered?

It's pretty easy to avoid the racecunts in Newcastle, as long as you steer clear of Jesmond/Gosforth on the big race days.

That said, I lived in Jesmond in 2010, and went for some drinks on the high street, not realising it was Ladies Day. The women of the North East take this gooseberry fool seriously. It's a proper spectator sport.

Anyway, the highlight was a hen party, obviously from out of town, wearing cowgirl costumes and looking miserable as strawberry float. You can imagine them getting ready, thinking they were going to rock Newcastle ("they'll love us lot - we've got hats and everything"), only to hit the pub and find out every single hot girl in the region was dressed to the nines at 3pm. They looked furious. It was amazing.

DaddyBrown wrote:The biggest problem is that the police are outnumbered and simply can't control the situation. The whole town gets turned in to a cesspit over the course of the week and it's strawberry floating horrible. I'm thankful my shift at the hospital is 6am-2pm as I'll miss the brunt of drunken shitheads coming in to A&E.

My mother in law lives in Cheltenham. Looking forward to the trip on Sunday.

Not.

Floex wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:People at my place who turn up late still always leave bang on time (or slightly early). Really pisses me off seeing that.

Why? It's not your business so why are you bothered?

I make the effort to get in on time and come from a lot further away than the rest, and work longer shifts than most of them. Just pisses me off seeing people taking the piss like that and getting away with it.

I'm not going to grass them up, but I can still be annoyed by it.

Doubtless, race wankers are strawberry floating grade a nobbers - but having been to the races in the VIP box etc last year, it is pretty strawberry floating fun. Beer and food, chance to wear a nice suit, animals running and dying, gambling, tits. It really does have it all.

Lagamorph wrote:

Floex wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:People at my place who turn up late still always leave bang on time (or slightly early). Really pisses me off seeing that.

Why? It's not your business so why are you bothered?

I make the effort to get in on time and come from a lot further away than the rest, and work longer shifts than most of them. Just pisses me off seeing people taking the piss like that and getting away with it.

I'm not going to grass them up, but I can still be annoyed by it.

If they do their work, who gives a gooseberry fool?

I have to say, that strawberry floats me off as well.

Stugene wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:

Floex wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:People at my place who turn up late still always leave bang on time (or slightly early). Really pisses me off seeing that.

Why? It's not your business so why are you bothered?

I make the effort to get in on time and come from a lot further away than the rest, and work longer shifts than most of them. Just pisses me off seeing people taking the piss like that and getting away with it.

I'm not going to grass them up, but I can still be annoyed by it.

If they do their work, who gives a gooseberry fool?

10.23-4.55 worker confirmed.

I do waaaaay more than my contracted hours and my boss made a point of saying he doesn't mind if I work 3 days a week as long as I get my work done, but I'm not like that. The problem is some people think that applies to them regardless even though I hear them getting asked where they are with jobs all the time.

One guy turned up an hour and a half late yesterday, clearly been up all night playing games (he admits he does it), then goes home at lunch and doesn't come back

I couldn't give a toss what time my guys work - as long as they get the job done. TBH, I admire those that get it done jn less time. They are obviously more efficient. Good for them.

The issue I think you all have is that your bosses aren't playing by the golden rule. Give em more work to do than it's possible to complete in the day.

I am actually serious. I know not all of it will get done. The team know that. Neither do I expect them to get it all done - and they know that too. The ability to prioritise and let some stuff go is a good management skill to learn.

If someone is swinging a leg, it's not because I clock watched them.

mrspax wrote:I couldn't give a toss what time my guys work - as long as they get the job done. TBH, I admire those that get it done jn less time. They are obviously more efficient. Good for them.

The issue I think you all have is that your bosses aren't playing by the golden rule. Give em more work to do than it's possible to complete in the day.

I am actually serious. I know not all of it will get done. The team know that. Neither do I expect them to get it all done - and they know that too. The ability to prioritise and let some stuff go is a good management skill to learn.

If someone is swinging a leg, it's not because I clock watched them.

So you're saying rather than give people a reasonable amount of work to do and let them let them go enjoy their short lives. You just keep piling work and stress on top of them so they have to stay longer?

Ad7 wrote:10.23-4.55 worker confirmed.

I do waaaaay more than my contracted hours and my boss made a point of saying he doesn't mind if I work 3 days a week as long as I get my work done, but I'm not like that. The problem is some people think that applies to them regardless even though I hear them getting asked where they are with jobs all the time.

One guy turned up an hour and a half late yesterday, clearly been up all night playing games (he admits he does it), then goes home at lunch and doesn't come back

Someone sounds jelly.

Qikz wrote:

mrspax wrote:I couldn't give a toss what time my guys work - as long as they get the job done. TBH, I admire those that get it done jn less time. They are obviously more efficient. Good for them.

The issue I think you all have is that your bosses aren't playing by the golden rule. Give em more work to do than it's possible to complete in the day.

I am actually serious. I know not all of it will get done. The team know that. Neither do I expect them to get it all done - and they know that too. The ability to prioritise and let some stuff go is a good management skill to learn.

If someone is swinging a leg, it's not because I clock watched them.

So you're saying rather than give people a reasonable amount of work to do and let them let them go enjoy their short lives. You just keep piling work and stress on top of them so they have to stay longer?

No Staydead. I didn't say that. I give them enough work to fill their time and a bit more so that they can act like professionals and prioritise what is important and let the less important stuff slide. My team seem to do pretty well in career progression terms and I don't really get any kick back on the volume of work we take on. My boss does the same to me.

Stress management help is an absolutely critical part of my job. Stress in my workplace isn't rife, but when it crops up, we help people.

I accept that it's not a model that works in every business or working culture. But it works in my company - an American one - where owning your own destiny is encouraged. That doesn't mean everyone is a fat cat climbing the greasy pole, but it does mean you are responsible for your own career and are rewarded for doing a good job - regardless of the time you clock in and out. I for example work all sorts of weird hours.

What field do you work in spax?

I can tell you that piling on more work than people are capable of isnt working too well in the tech industry. It means corners are cut and mistakes are made. Asking people to deliver impossible things in impossible time frames doesnt exactly fill us all with feelings of controlling our own destiny, it fills us all with feelings of being one very unappreciated cog in the massive machine whos jobs and skills arent valued.

I dont know if this term is one where you work, but we are constantly working under the shadow of 'JFDI'. Dont ask questions, we know its impossible, Just strawberry floating Do It.

The downside of this being that we are breaking our backs every day to get this difficult gooseberry fool in, and the reflection of that is; "Well you did it last time, do it again." Conveniently ignoring the many people we are losing on long term sick with stress and related illnesses.

mrspax wrote:

Qikz wrote:

mrspax wrote:I couldn't give a toss what time my guys work - as long as they get the job done. TBH, I admire those that get it done jn less time. They are obviously more efficient. Good for them.

The issue I think you all have is that your bosses aren't playing by the golden rule. Give em more work to do than it's possible to complete in the day.

I am actually serious. I know not all of it will get done. The team know that. Neither do I expect them to get it all done - and they know that too. The ability to prioritise and let some stuff go is a good management skill to learn.

If someone is swinging a leg, it's not because I clock watched them.

So you're saying rather than give people a reasonable amount of work to do and let them let them go enjoy their short lives. You just keep piling work and stress on top of them so they have to stay longer?

No Staydead. I didn't say that. I give them enough work to fill their time and a bit more so that they can act like professionals and prioritise what is important and let the less important stuff slide. My team seem to do pretty well in career progression terms and I don't really get any kick back on the volume of work we take on. My boss does the same to me.

Stress management help is an absolutely critical part of my job. Stress in my workplace isn't rife, but when it crops up, we help people.

I accept that it's not a model that works in every business or working culture. But it works in my company - an American one - where owning your own destiny is encouraged. That doesn't mean everyone is a fat cat climbing the greasy pole, but it does mean you are responsible for your own career and are rewarded for doing a good job - regardless of the time you clock in and out. I for example work all sorts of weird hours.

That sounds fine man, sorry I wasn't trying to insult you personally or anything. It's just the way you described it, it sounded like you didn't want people to be able to work more reasonable hours. I just wasn't reading correctly. If you're looking after your employees and not overworking them and they're happy, good job :>

Qikz wrote:

mrspax wrote:

Qikz wrote:

mrspax wrote:I couldn't give a toss what time my guys work - as long as they get the job done. TBH, I admire those that get it done jn less time. They are obviously more efficient. Good for them.

The issue I think you all have is that your bosses aren't playing by the golden rule. Give em more work to do than it's possible to complete in the day.

I am actually serious. I know not all of it will get done. The team know that. Neither do I expect them to get it all done - and they know that too. The ability to prioritise and let some stuff go is a good management skill to learn.

If someone is swinging a leg, it's not because I clock watched them.

So you're saying rather than give people a reasonable amount of work to do and let them let them go enjoy their short lives. You just keep piling work and stress on top of them so they have to stay longer?

No Staydead. I didn't say that. I give them enough work to fill their time and a bit more so that they can act like professionals and prioritise what is important and let the less important stuff slide. My team seem to do pretty well in career progression terms and I don't really get any kick back on the volume of work we take on. My boss does the same to me.

Stress management help is an absolutely critical part of my job. Stress in my workplace isn't rife, but when it crops up, we help people.

I accept that it's not a model that works in every business or working culture. But it works in my company - an American one - where owning your own destiny is encouraged. That doesn't mean everyone is a fat cat climbing the greasy pole, but it does mean you are responsible for your own career and are rewarded for doing a good job - regardless of the time you clock in and out. I for example work all sorts of weird hours.

That sounds fine man, sorry I wasn't trying to insult you personally or anything. It's just the way you described it, it sounded like you didn't want people to be able to work more reasonable hours. I just wasn't reading correctly. If you're looking after your employees and not overworking them and they're happy, good job :>

No worries! Just so we are clear, I don't ask people to work longer than they are contracted, I encourage discussions about what they deem to be important and what they do not. I know this isn't the way it would work in say an hourly paid environment in which people are hired for a manual skill or are manning a phone line. We do expect our hourly paid staff to embrace doing things in different ways to be more efficient though - we encourage the change and ideas to be driven by them too. Kick back on that philosophy doesn't go down well. That doesn't extend to making them work enforced overtime though.

Everyone has more stuff to do than we reasonably can in my industry. We get props for filtering through the less important stuff.

Falsely, I work in the energy industry (no not an evil big sixer - they are my customers).

JFDI is just as crap a management strategy as NMFP (not my strawberry floating problem). I do feel for people who get served up that.

The company fosters a culture of all being in it together. Getting stuff done gets props for all in both £££ and career progression. It is also true that being an American company, making the quarterly numbers is VERY important. I also don't pretend there are not any of the JFDI style leaders in the company, but they get weeded out. In a company with a hierarchy as flat as ours, you'll end up working under someone you shat on if you play that game.

I assume everyone that is annoyed by people arriving/leaving work early is not posting in here during work hours?

Stugene wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:

Floex wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:People at my place who turn up late still always leave bang on time (or slightly early). Really pisses me off seeing that.

Why? It's not your business so why are you bothered?

I make the effort to get in on time and come from a lot further away than the rest, and work longer shifts than most of them. Just pisses me off seeing people taking the piss like that and getting away with it.

I'm not going to grass them up, but I can still be annoyed by it.

If they do their work, who gives a gooseberry fool?

Preach.

mrspax wrote:The company fosters a culture of all being in it together. Getting stuff done gets props for all in both £££ and career progression. It is also true that being an American company, making the quarterly numbers is VERY important. I also don't pretend there are not any of the JFDI style leaders in the company, but they get weeded out. In a company with a hierarchy as flat as ours, you'll end up working under someone you shat on if you play that game.

The company I work for was not too long back acquired by an american megacorp, but we are easily the largest thing they own and I believe we make up at least 50% of everything they earn.

We have had the filter down american ethos stuff, but it mixes with our own values of 'being a fun place to work' etc (though they are fading now). I think our directors are eager to prove our worth and want us to be the leading force in the megacorp as far as business direction etc, which, to be fair - we seem to be. The problem with this is that the directors have promised that we will deliver a lot of very difficult things, all without increasing headcounts and budgets, and we have been doing so for a while now, but the whole thing is cracking.

Have to say, I think I preferred it pre-american days.

Falsey wrote:

mrspax wrote:The company fosters a culture of all being in it together. Getting stuff done gets props for all in both £££ and career progression. It is also true that being an American company, making the quarterly numbers is VERY important. I also don't pretend there are not any of the JFDI style leaders in the company, but they get weeded out. In a company with a hierarchy as flat as ours, you'll end up working under someone you shat on if you play that game.

The company I work for was not too long back acquired by an american megacorp, but we are easily the largest thing they own and I believe we make up at least 50% of everything they earn.

We have had the filter down american ethos stuff, but it mixes with our own values of 'being a fun place to work' etc (though they are fading now). I think our directors are eager to prove our worth and want us to be the leading force in the megacorp as far as business direction etc, which, to be fair - we seem to be. The problem with this is that the directors have promised that we will deliver a lot of very difficult things, all without increasing headcounts and budgets, and we have been doing so for a while now, but the whole thing is cracking.

Have to say, I think I preferred it pre-american days.

That's a shame. I know US companies and mega corps (such as your own and my own) have this rep, but having worked for a few companies with different backgrounds and sizes, it's not an American thing. Neither is it driven by the size of the company.

@ Moggy. Reminds me, I am late for a meeting.

"Going Forward"

It's "from now on" or "in the future". strawberry float off with that gooseberry fool.