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by Oblomov Boblomov » Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:46 am

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Knoyleo wrote:
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Nibble wrote:People who voted Tory in the last election complaining about Brexit.

Brexit wasn't exactly in the Tory Manifesto.

You should also level the same criticism at anyone who voted Labour since the Labour party are pretty much full on board with it.

Labour opposed even offering a referendum on the EU at the last election. People who voted for them in 2015 weren't voting for the current leadership position.

So exactly the same as people who voted Tory in 2015 weren't voting for the current leadership position (or even Leader) then?


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Nibble wrote:People who voted Tory in the last election complaining about Brexit.

Brexit wasn't exactly in the Tory Manifesto.


Pages 72 and 73 : https://www.conservatives.com/manifesto :simper:

Looking at those pages I can't see anything about leaving the EU?

Page 74.

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PostRe: Things that annoy you - Now with more than one person moaning
by Lagamorph » Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:01 am

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:
Nibble wrote:People who voted Tory in the last election complaining about Brexit.

Brexit wasn't exactly in the Tory Manifesto.

You should also level the same criticism at anyone who voted Labour since the Labour party are pretty much full on board with it.

Labour opposed even offering a referendum on the EU at the last election. People who voted for them in 2015 weren't voting for the current leadership position.

So exactly the same as people who voted Tory in 2015 weren't voting for the current leadership position (or even Leader) then?


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Lagamorph wrote:
Nibble wrote:People who voted Tory in the last election complaining about Brexit.

Brexit wasn't exactly in the Tory Manifesto.


Pages 72 and 73 : https://www.conservatives.com/manifesto :simper:

Looking at those pages I can't see anything about leaving the EU?

Page 74.

Which also says nothing about leaving the EU.

Saying "We will hold a referendum" is not the same as "We will leave the EU"

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by Errkal » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:50 am

Lagamorph wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:
Nibble wrote:People who voted Tory in the last election complaining about Brexit.

Brexit wasn't exactly in the Tory Manifesto.

You should also level the same criticism at anyone who voted Labour since the Labour party are pretty much full on board with it.

Labour opposed even offering a referendum on the EU at the last election. People who voted for them in 2015 weren't voting for the current leadership position.

So exactly the same as people who voted Tory in 2015 weren't voting for the current leadership position (or even Leader) then?


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Lagamorph wrote:
Nibble wrote:People who voted Tory in the last election complaining about Brexit.

Brexit wasn't exactly in the Tory Manifesto.


Pages 72 and 73 : https://www.conservatives.com/manifesto :simper:

Looking at those pages I can't see anything about leaving the EU?

Page 74.

Which also says nothing about leaving the EU.

Saying "We will hold a referendum" is not the same as "We will leave the EU"


"We will honour the outcome of the result"

So technically they voted for this but voting for a government hat had said they would allow for the set of circumstances to allow to exist.

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PostRe: Things that annoy you - Now with more than one person moaning
by Lagamorph » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:10 am

So people who voted Labour in 2001 voted for the Iraq War and every death/event that happened as a consequence? :simper:

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by Errkal » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:13 am

Iraq war wasn't in the maifesto was it, so no they didn't.

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by Moggy » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:14 am

Christ, Laga :lol: :fp:

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by Lagamorph » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:29 am

Errkal wrote:Iraq war wasn't in the maifesto was it, so no they didn't.

So, like leaving the EU wasn't in the Tory manifesto then.

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by Moggy » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:34 am

Lagamorph wrote:
Errkal wrote:Iraq war wasn't in the maifesto was it, so no they didn't.

So, like leaving the EU wasn't in the Tory manifesto then.


If Labour had offered a referendum on the Iraq war in their manifesto then you might have a point.

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by Errkal » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:53 am

Moggy wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:
Errkal wrote:Iraq war wasn't in the maifesto was it, so no they didn't.

So, like leaving the EU wasn't in the Tory manifesto then.


If Labour had offered a referendum on the Iraq war in their manifesto then you might have a point.


Exactly, the conservatives had i thier manifesto the promise to take us down a path that could lead to where we are now, labour didn't have that so it is a non point.

The people voting didn't vote directly for it obviously, but if Cameron is to blame for all this as has been said because he called for the referendum, those that votes for the conservatives while that was in the manifesto take a part in that blame, host is how it works.

Your vote means you want what is in the manifesto to be done, and so by voting conservative you voted for the referendum to be carried out.

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by Peter Crisp » Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:10 pm

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PostRe: Things that annoy you - Now with more than one person moaning
by Lagamorph » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:54 am

Errkal wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:
Errkal wrote:Iraq war wasn't in the maifesto was it, so no they didn't.

So, like leaving the EU wasn't in the Tory manifesto then.


If Labour had offered a referendum on the Iraq war in their manifesto then you might have a point.


Exactly, the conservatives had i thier manifesto the promise to take us down a path that could lead to where we are now, labour didn't have that so it is a non point.

The people voting didn't vote directly for it obviously, but if Cameron is to blame for all this as has been said because he called for the referendum, those that votes for the conservatives while that was in the manifesto take a part in that blame, host is how it works.

Your vote means you want what is in the manifesto to be done, and so by voting conservative you voted for the referendum to be carried out.

I'd say the blame is on the colossal idiots who voted leave, plenty of whom were non Tory voters.
You also had a Tory leadership that was firmly in favour of remain, whilst a Labour leadership that was firmly in favour of Leave during the referendum.

Voting for a Referendum on thing ≠ Voting for thing

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PostRe: Things that annoy you - Now with more than one person moaning
by Moggy » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:01 am

This is a very interesting insight in the world of Lagamorph. A world where having an election manifesto that states they will offer an in/out referendum on the membership of the EU for some reason doesn’t count as putting Brexit into their manifesto. A world where Conservative voters can in no way be blamed for the Conservative party heading full steam towards a no compromise hard Brexit.

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PostRe: Things that annoy you - Now with more than one person moaning
by Lagamorph » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:04 am

The ones who actually voted for Leave can absolutely be blamed.
But a manifesto saying that they'll hold a referendum isn't the same as a manifesto pledge saying we will absolutely leave the EU.

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PostRe: Things that annoy you - Now with more than one person moaning
by Rex Kramer » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:08 am

Lagamorph wrote:The ones who actually voted for Leave can absolutely be blamed.
But a manifesto saying that they'll hold a referendum isn't the same as a manifesto pledge saying we will absolutely leave the EU.

I've a feeling this is going round in circles, but let me get this right. A commitment to hold a referendum AND state that they'll uphold the result is in no way saying that we'll leave the EU?

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PostRe: Things that annoy you - Now with more than one person moaning
by Moggy » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:12 am

Lagamorph wrote:The ones who actually voted for Leave can absolutely be blamed.
But a manifesto saying that they'll hold a referendum isn't the same as a manifesto pledge saying we will absolutely leave the EU.


That’s such a politician answer. :lol:

The Conservatives are the ones who pledged in a manifesto to hold the referendum. The Conservatives are the ones who ran the referendum without setting any thresholds. The Conservatives are the ones who following the referendum decided that it meant full on "hard Brexit". The Conservatives are the ones who are deciding to burn all our bridges with the EU if we don't get exactly what we want.

So yeah, the Conservative voters are to blame for all of that.

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PostRe: Things that annoy you - Now with more than one person moaning
by Lagamorph » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:25 pm

I'd say the morons who voted leave (Who come from across the entire political spectrum, mostly Labour in my particular area of the country) are the ones to blame, but we'll just have to agree to disagree.
And you certainly can't say that Conservative voters are the ones to blame for how May is approaching things. There was absolutely nothing in the manifesto to say anything about a Hard Brexit.

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PostRe: Things that annoy you - Now with more than one person moaning
by Death's Head » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:47 pm

Has someone renamed the Brexit topic?

Yes?
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by Lagamorph » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:51 pm

Death's Head wrote:Has someone renamed the Brexit topic?

Nope, still named "The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave" and is on the first page of Stuff.

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by Death's Head » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:58 pm

Lagamorph wrote:
Death's Head wrote:Has someone renamed the Brexit topic?

Nope, still named "The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave" and is on the first page of Stuff.

Ok. Thought I had stumbled into it for a minute.

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by Green Gecko » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:34 pm

How pervasive brexit arguments are in flipping everything. I don't think a day goes by where it isn't mentioned somewhere in something I come across.

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