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Somebody Else's Problem wrote:

Moggy wrote:It’s not a technicality, they are a UK and Ireland recognised ethnic group. You not liking them doesn’t change that fact.

And anybody that uses the words “racist card” is badly losing the argument. It was you that turned this nasty, I didn’t even refer to you when posting what I thought earlier. Your hatred and bigotry is so strong though that you can’t bare somebody disagreeing on those “disgusting people”.

With blinkered bigots like yourself it’s pointless arguing though. Just remember next time you see Muslims referred to as “all terrorists”, blacks people as “all thieves”, Jews as “money grabbing zionists” that you have your own unjustifiable bigotry. And sure you are currently thinking “but mine is justified!”, but that’s just what the other racists think....

Feel free to come back with more bollocks but I won’t be replying anymore.

So we should just let them be an active detriment to every place they go, and act above the strawberry floating law, because that's what they really want to do? strawberry float that noise. Show me just ONE gypsy who has benefitted society. I'll wait.

Where did I say that? Is it really so hard to understand that demonising an entire ethnic group is not a good thing to do?

If a Romany or traveller breaks the law then they should be dealt with. What should happen is EVERY single one of them be grouped as criminals or disgusting.

You want just one example of one gypsy that has benefited society? It’s a bloody odd thing to ask, would you ask the same about any other ethnic group?

Since you asked, here’s Petr Torak who received an MBE for his police work.

http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news ... -1-7050777

I look forward to you moving the goalposts and/or telling me that this example isn’t good enough.

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:Show me just ONE gypsy who has benefitted society.

This should be archived.

You're in dodgy territory the moment you label an entire ethnic group as disgusting criminals. That is quintessentially racist, even if all of your experiences with said group have been genuinely awful and negative.

Moggy wrote:It’s not a technicality, they are a UK and Ireland recognised ethnic group. You not liking them doesn’t change that fact.

And anybody that uses the words “racist card” is badly losing the argument. It was you that turned this nasty, I didn’t even refer to you when posting what I thought earlier. Your hatred and bigotry is so strong though that you can’t bare somebody disagreeing on those “disgusting people”.

With blinkered bigots like yourself it’s pointless arguing though. Just remember next time you see Muslims referred to as “all terrorists”, blacks people as “all thieves”, Jews as “money grabbing zionists” that you have your own unjustifiable bigotry. And sure you are currently thinking “but mine is justified!”, but that’s just what the other racists think....

Feel free to come back with more bollocks but I won’t be replying anymore.

Perchance did you know of travellers being classed an ethnic group until you posted the information earlier?

No, racist card was used in the context of talking to someone who is desperate to be seen as the forums bastion of all things liberal and gets giddy with excitement at the chance to call someone a racist.

As you ignored the other questions, is the press racist for reporting on the trouble caused by travellers or should they just be referred to as people of non permanent residency? Are the police racist for treating travellers differently to others in society?

Pancake wrote:You're in dodgy territory the moment you label an entire ethnic group as disgusting criminals. That is quintessentially racist, even if all of your experiences with said group have been genuinely awful and negative.

You're right but I feel there must be a distinction between gypsies and travellers as local authorities, press, the police, etc would surely be guilty of being racist.

Pancake wrote:You're in dodgy territory the moment you label an entire ethnic group as disgusting criminals. That is quintessentially racist, even if all of your experiences with said group have been genuinely awful and negative.

That’s my problem with the last few pages. I don’t doubt there are problems in and from the Romany/traveller communities, the lifestyle they lead will lend itself to problems.

But to demonise them all, the entire ethnic group, as disgusting, criminals or of no benefit (not even one!) to society is hideous.

I said I wouldn’t reply to Hime, but no mate I don’t see myself as a bastion of all things liberal and I don’t get giddy with excitement at calling somebody a racist (please show me where I’ve ever wrongly called somebody racist?). I hate, absolutely detest in fact, entire ethnic groups and races being lumped together as one mass “disgusting” whole. It’s ridiculous to say that every single one is a criminal or disgusting.

I grew up in a large village and there were three separate traveller camps nearby.

One group were only there in the winter, they were fairground operators. I used to see some in the local pub, never any trouble to anyone.

Another group were on the other side of the village. They were there all year, never any trouble that I heard other than a few fights in a local pub but only when other villagers were calling them “strawberry floating gypos!”. My brother was friends with one of them at junior school, seemed a nice enough lad but I didn’t know him that well as they (my brother and the traveller lad) were a few years younger than me.

The other group nearby were set up a few miles away. They were quite a bit of trouble from what I remember. Lots of rubbish left around and accusations of thefts.

So I don’t have a great deal of personal experience with them, but I know enough to know they are not all bad or all trouble.

My experience of Romany/travellers/gypsies is them being the easiest target of casual racism and I do feel it's grounded in the distaste towards the idea of having no fixed abode a bit like homeless people, because for some reason that's the greatest status of success in this country being utterly obsessed with property ownership. Which of course implies taxation. However the idea that these people do not pay tax isn't actually true, everyone pays VAT for example. I've seen people scowled at with a frankly creepy awkward silence and lamented as "pikies" simply because they drove to the pub in a horse and cart, something my mother would do when she was young and kept horses. I've seen people mocked because they live in a caravan as a travelling musician, whilst a camping holiday is a popular idea of a romantic holiday for 50+ couples. And based on those kinds of experiences, it seems to me that certain lifestyles based around having no brick and mortar or short term abodes or a horse as opposed to a car has a negative connotation for no reason concerning the actual behaviour of the individual(s), and is largely about class and status, which is bullshit imo and reflects poorly on bigots.

When i was a lot younger some gypsies camped across the field from us when the new (at the time) housing was Being built over there. Deligtful bunch they were, local burglaries shot through the roof, bikes stolen left right and centre and some gypsy girls tried to kidnap the young daughter of our next door neighbours.

I won't have a bad word said against them.

im with Moggy here, disgusting to see the amount of generalised prejudice in this thread - try replacing the word Traveller/Gypsy with 'Blacks' or 'Polish' and see how your comments read back to you
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<]:^D wrote:im with Moggy here, disgusting to see the amount of generalised prejudice in this thread - try replacing the word Traveller/Gypsy with 'Blacks' or 'Polish' and see how your comments read back to you
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Do crime rates skyrocket when they move into an area?

what are you basing that on? i just checked online and seeing as forces cant record 'Traveller' as an arrested person's ethnicity, and the FoI request would be too expensive to comb through case notes then im sure youre just assuming that :

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:

<]:^D wrote:im with Moggy here, disgusting to see the amount of generalised prejudice in this thread - try replacing the word Traveller/Gypsy with 'Blacks' or 'Polish' and see how your comments read back to you
wankers

Do crime rates skyrocket when they move into an area?

You seem to want other people to find the information to back up you’re bigotry. I found you a Gypsy that benefitted society last night. You’ve ignored that and are now asking <]:^D] to research ethnic crime rates for you.

As <]:^D] said, replace the word “Gypsy” with “Black” and then reread the posts. And when you find yourself saying “but it’s different because Gypsies really are all thieves” then remember that’s exactly what the posters on Stormfront think about Black people.

Yes some of them are banana splits, but that doesn't make it cool to go "all gypsies are banana splits",
Hitler was a banana split and the higher up Nazis were banana splits, but not all Germans were or are banana splits, Kim Jon Un is a banana split, not all Koreans are banana splits, some black people steal etc. Not all black people thieves

See where I'm going with this, the issue isn't that we don't agree some maybe most don't know do bad gooseberry fool it's that you are blatantly racist against ALL of them regardless of whether they do or don't do as you say.

Some are responsible etc. you can't call out an entire society because the actions of one, even if it is your experience etc that gooseberry fool ain't right.

Hat said more should be done to regulate and stop the ones that do act like banana splits.

But it's cool to demonise Tories or the rich because they're not classified as an ethnicity (they very well could though as they fit many of the definitions that class a group as an ethnicity) and are the bad guys?

I apologise if I have caused offence, I genuinely didnt know that travellers were classed as an ethnicity. The thing that's frustrating to me is that when travellers come to town the conversation often gets overtaken with people trying to demonstrate their righteous nature and those whose children can't go to school, have had to put up with piles of human waste, have their property stolen or vandalised, their dogs stolen, etc get drowned out and no police action is ever taken.

Tories are different, they don't have souls.
In all seriousness, when you talk about tories being shitters it is the policies and the ones at the top that are being referred, your common nor garden tory is generally alright, even Denster.
The issue with them is the ideology, they are banana splits as such but some of the thing they think are good to those on the opposite end of the spectrum seem banana splitish. Although saying all tories are banana split is probably wrong too, but not quite in the same way.

Hime wrote:But it's cool to demonise Tories or the rich because they're not classified as an ethnicity (they very well could though as they fit many of the definitions that class a group as an ethnicity) and are the bad guys?

A political or economic group is not the same as an ethnic group. I wouldn't say it was cool to demonise somebody for being rich though. A Tory? Depends, some of them are banana splits, some of them are not. It would depend on their actual beliefs whether I would judge them as a banana split or not.

I apologise if I have caused offence, I genuinely didnt know that travellers were classed as an ethnicity. The thing that's frustrating to me is that when travellers come to town the conversation often gets overtaken with people trying to demonstrate their righteous nature and those whose children can't go to school, have had to put up with piles of human waste, have their property stolen or vandalised, their dogs stolen, etc get drowned out and no police action is ever taken.

The only problem I have had with this conversation is you (and others!) insistence that all of them are exactly the same. That is not true, they are not all the same. The people you are calling gypsies are not even part of one ethnic group, there is a difference between Romany and Irish Travellers for instance.

And I don't doubt that the travelling community causes more crime than other communities, as I said last night the nature of the lifestyle is going to lead towards trouble. But I do not believe that all of them are exactly the same. That's not me trying to demonstrate a "righteous nature", that's just me not liking an entire ethnic group being demonised just because there is a problem with some of them. Even if it is the majority of them, it is still not right to demonise all of them.

Errkal wrote:Hat said more should be done to regulate and stop the ones that do act like banana splits.

Absolutely.

Bloody Moggy, still trying to push his racial political agenda. It's not their fault you are called Muhammad.


Warmth annoys me. Everyone around me seems to always be cold.
I thought it was them, now I think I am the odd one out. Maybe it relates to age, as even a fatty coworker is still colder than I. Plus a previous workmate who was same age/build liked the same temperature as me.
All I am sure of is that I am confused, annoyed and hot.

Moggy wrote:

Hime wrote:But it's cool to demonise Tories or the rich because they're not classified as an ethnicity (they very well could though as they fit many of the definitions that class a group as an ethnicity) and are the bad guys?

A political or economic group is not the same as an ethnic group. I wouldn't say it was cool to demonise somebody for being rich though. A Tory? Depends, some of them are banana splits, some of them are not. It would depend on their actual beliefs whether I would judge them as a banana split or not.

I apologise if I have caused offence, I genuinely didnt know that travellers were classed as an ethnicity. The thing that's frustrating to me is that when travellers come to town the conversation often gets overtaken with people trying to demonstrate their righteous nature and those whose children can't go to school, have had to put up with piles of human waste, have their property stolen or vandalised, their dogs stolen, etc get drowned out and no police action is ever taken.

The only problem I have had with this conversation is you (and others!) insistence that all of them are exactly the same. That is not true, they are not all the same. The people you are calling gypsies are not even part of one ethnic group, there is a difference between Romany and Irish Travellers for instance.

And I don't doubt that the travelling community causes more crime than other communities, as I said last night the nature of the lifestyle is going to lead towards trouble. But I do not believe that all of them are exactly the same. That's not me trying to demonstrate a "righteous nature", that's just me not liking an entire ethnic group being demonised just because there is a problem with some of them. Even if it is the majority of them, it is still not right to demonise all of them.

Errkal wrote:Hat said more should be done to regulate and stop the ones that do act like banana splits.

Absolutely.

I'm pretty sure you have been guilty of demonising the rich or Tories at some point on this forum. If not it happens frequently enough on here (probably for some good reasons) but you don't often see people jumping to their defence.

I disagree with you about the travelling community not being responsible for more crime, people aren't on edge when travellers arrive in a place because they're all massive racists. Likewise police aren't afraid of dealing with travellers because they're racist.

Hime wrote:I'm pretty sure you have been guilty of demonising the rich or Tories at some point on this forum. If not it happens frequently enough on here (probably for some good reasons) but you don't often see people jumping to their defence.

I probably have. I don't actually believe that all Tories are banana splits though.

But again, political beliefs are not the same thing.

I disagree with you about the travelling community not being responsible for more crime, people aren't on edge when travellers arrive in a place because they're all massive racists. Likewise police aren't afraid of dealing with travellers because they're racist.

Literally in the post of mine that you quoted:

And I don't doubt that the travelling community causes more crime than other communities

Moggy wrote:

Hime wrote:I'm pretty sure you have been guilty of demonising the rich or Tories at some point on this forum. If not it happens frequently enough on here (probably for some good reasons) but you don't often see people jumping to their defence.

I probably have. I don't actually believe that all Tories are banana splits though.

But again, political beliefs are not the same thing.

I disagree with you about the travelling community not being responsible for more crime, people aren't on edge when travellers arrive in a place because they're all massive racists. Likewise police aren't afraid of dealing with travellers because they're racist.

Literally in the post of mine that you quoted:

And I don't doubt that the travelling community causes more crime than other communities

I agree with you but under the definition of an ethnic group you could easily clarify lots of large communities in the way gypsies/travellers have been. Still I admit that I was wrong to chastise an entire community.

Sorry, I didn't see the 'don't' in that sentence. Apologies for things getting heated, it's just hard to accept being the bad guy when you've been on the receiving end is some of the negative aspects of certain traveller communities.