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by Ad7 » Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:40 pm

Ok so we're all good with stealing because mega evil corporation.

Got it.

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by Moggy » Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:54 pm

Ad7 wrote:Ok so we're all good with stealing because mega evil corporation.

Got it.


Amazon have sent items addressed to Rax’s wife that she didn’t order. That is not stealing, they have sent them to her.

If Amazon ask for them back, then they should return them. If they don’t, then I don’t see any reason why Rax or his wife should spend any time or effort on contacting Amazon to arrange for them to be returned.

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by Ste » Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:57 pm

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Ste wrote:I live in a estate where my road and the road that leads onto it have very similar sounding names. (10 Something Park Drive and 10 Something Park Close)

Every so often a delivery intended for me gets delivered to the same number house of mine but on the similar sounding road (it's never happens the other way because they come before me)

Every time it happens they sign for it and keep whatever it was.

Last time it happened it was a wireless pad for the mini SNES.


That's different as they know it should be at your household, why don't you go round and get it if you basically know the house it will be at?


Actually, I've explained that a bit wrong.

We'd always suspected.

It was confirmed when my Mrs got a notification through at work that she had signed for a parcel. She knew she hadn't so contacted them straight away. The driver went back to the wrong house and got the parcel back. They had signed my Mrs name - it wasn't a mistake.

Since then, it's generally things Amazon leave that don't get signed for. So I suppose I don't know for certain.

With the SNES pad the Amazon status was "Handed to a resident".

It has crossed my mind to go round but I don't have any proof and it's not worth the hassle as Amazon will just send me a replacement - it's their loss. I have told them a couple of times though they need to make some sort of record to avoid future mix ups.

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by OrangeRakoon » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:12 pm

I think the point is that the right thing to do is to tell amazon they've delivered it by mistake, but it doesn't really matter because they'll likely just tell you to keep it anyway and it probably won't expedite the correct delivery.

Here's a breakdown of the actual law anyway: https://www.saga.co.uk/magazine/money/s ... by-mistake

tl;dr if something has been delivered to you by mistake you should inform the sender, and you are obligated to return it to them if they desire, but at their own cost.

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by Death's Head » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:15 pm

If Rax received something addressed to him then I don't see this as a big deal, it is his free Christmas gift. If it had someone else's name and address it would be a different matter.

I once received an extra pair of jeans and when the company enquired, I denied receiving them. So that is stealing I guess and Ad7 had to walk around in his pants.

Favourite was when I ordered a glass TV cabinet from ebuyer. The first arrived with missing parts and the replacement arrived with a cracked shelf. Interestingly, the replacement had a different order number so being the thieving scum I am, I got the original order refunded and also got the replacement (which I didn't pay for) refunded. I consider that compensation, admin fee etc, whatever lets me sleep at night.

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by Jenuall » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:16 pm

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Moggy wrote:I don’t think it is all that scummy to keep the contents of a parcel that has been sent to you in error. The mistake is with Amazon/the delivery company and I don’t think it should be up to the individual to waste their time reporting it.


Really? That parcel could be a child's birthday present, or a care package for an elderly relative, or medicine for goodness sake! At what point did we decide that putting in a bit of effort to help someone else out when a genuine mistake has been made was "wasting time"?

EDIT: Put it this way - if something important that you were waiting on had somehow been sent to the wrong place would you not want the person who received it to at least raise a finger to try and get the issue resolved for you more quickly than you just having to wait?


Have you ever used Amazon?

If your parcel doesn't arrive on time, you complain and they then send you a replacement straight away.

Your system seems to involve somebody ringing Amazon to declare they have received something for somebody else, returning that to Amazon and then Amazon sending that back out to the person who originally ordered it.

Nobody is losing out from Rax keeping what he received and it will also be resolved a lot quicker for the person whose order it was.


Have Amazon ever told you something was coming on Day X then it not arrive until Day X+1? This happens all the time - in which case I may not suspect anything being wrong until a day after it has already been delivered to someone else, adding in the time it takes to get Amazon to send a replacement (which by default they will not send as an expedited item) you are looking at 3-5 days later than originally expected to receive the item.

In my system Joe Bloggs contacts Amazon to say they have received something that should have gone to John Smith on Day 1 - there is then the potential for an earlier opportunity to get the item to the intended recipient, with the possible additional benefit of not needing to to send out a duplicated order (goodness knows there is more than enough waste in the world already).

Now it wasn't clear to me earlier that the item in question was actually addressed to Rax and therefore that is a slightly different situation, but even so I can't quite believe that people would receive parcels that obviously weren't intended for them and not feel some kind of obligation to point this error out to the sender.

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by <]:^D » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:20 pm

Moggy wrote:I don’t think it is all that scummy to keep the contents of a parcel that has been sent to you in error. The mistake is with Amazon/the delivery company and I don’t think it should be up to the individual to waste their time reporting it. If Amazon are losing money from people keeping things, then they need to improve the service of the couriers that they use.

Isn’t it illegal to open up mail addressed to somebody else though? I am not sure if parcels count.


so hypothetically if someone delivered some priceless heirlooms to you by mistake you wouldnt have an obligation or imperative to return them?
it has nothing to do with how useless/bad Amazon is!

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by Moggy » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:24 pm

Jenuall wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Jenuall wrote:
Moggy wrote:I don’t think it is all that scummy to keep the contents of a parcel that has been sent to you in error. The mistake is with Amazon/the delivery company and I don’t think it should be up to the individual to waste their time reporting it.


Really? That parcel could be a child's birthday present, or a care package for an elderly relative, or medicine for goodness sake! At what point did we decide that putting in a bit of effort to help someone else out when a genuine mistake has been made was "wasting time"?

EDIT: Put it this way - if something important that you were waiting on had somehow been sent to the wrong place would you not want the person who received it to at least raise a finger to try and get the issue resolved for you more quickly than you just having to wait?


Have you ever used Amazon?

If your parcel doesn't arrive on time, you complain and they then send you a replacement straight away.

Your system seems to involve somebody ringing Amazon to declare they have received something for somebody else, returning that to Amazon and then Amazon sending that back out to the person who originally ordered it.

Nobody is losing out from Rax keeping what he received and it will also be resolved a lot quicker for the person whose order it was.


Have Amazon ever told you something was coming on Day X then it not arrive until Day X+1? This happens all the time - in which case I may not suspect anything being wrong until a day after it has already been delivered to someone else, adding in the time it takes to get Amazon to send a replacement (which by default they will not send as an expedited item) you are looking at 3-5 days later than originally expected to receive the item.

In my system Joe Bloggs contacts Amazon to say they have received something that should have gone to John Smith on Day 1 - there is then the potential for an earlier opportunity to get the item to the intended recipient, with the possible additional benefit of not needing to to send out a duplicated order (goodness knows there is more than enough waste in the world already).

Now it wasn't clear to me earlier that the item in question was actually addressed to Rax and therefore that is a slightly different situation, but even so I can't quite believe that people would receive parcels that obviously weren't intended for them and not feel some kind of obligation to point this error out to the sender.


Do you not have notifications set up with Amazon?

Whenever I order, Amazon send me a notification once it has been delivered. If I get that notification and nothing has arrived, I would immediately contact Amazon to say I have not received it and arrange for a replacement.

Joe Bloggs down the road keeping the item makes no difference to me. And him sending it back is not going to speed anything up for me.

Ad7 had a good point with a Secret Santa type of delivery, that might cause delays as the recipient wouldn’t know if the delivery had been made to the wrong place and the sender would just assume it was received at the correct address. In that case, it would speed things up for the person that received it incorrectly to inform Amazon. Still, such an occurrence is Amazon/the couriers fault and I don’t expect people to spend their own time on sorting out mistakes made by a massive global company.

In Rax’s situation, I really couldn’t care if somebody kept the incorrectly sent stuff. That’s Amazon’s problem imo.

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by Moggy » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:26 pm

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Moggy wrote:I don’t think it is all that scummy to keep the contents of a parcel that has been sent to you in error. The mistake is with Amazon/the delivery company and I don’t think it should be up to the individual to waste their time reporting it. If Amazon are losing money from people keeping things, then they need to improve the service of the couriers that they use.

Isn’t it illegal to open up mail addressed to somebody else though? I am not sure if parcels count.


so hypothetically if someone delivered some priceless heirlooms to you by mistake you wouldnt have an obligation or imperative to return them?
it has nothing to do with how useless/bad Amazon is!


How often do Amazon send out priceless heirlooms to people? :lol:

I already said in a previous post that you should spend time and effort returning something that has obviously been sent by an individual.

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by Lagamorph » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:28 pm

We need a new logo to commemorate the revelation that GRcade is populated by thieves and briggands.

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by <]:^D » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:29 pm

sorry i got all hot under the collar and didnt read the rest of the thread first :oops: :shifty:
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by Errkal » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:10 pm

<]:^D wrote:Facebook
absolutely dog gooseberry fool website on desktop, loads of idiots using it, extremely questionable company ethics & practices - kill it off now


2 ryt bbz!

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by Rocsteady » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:18 pm

Either people in here have never heard of moral relativism or have never done anything wrong in their lives. Taking advantage of a 40 buck package arriving at your door from a multinational that avoids taxes on tens of billions is hardly robbing a granny's priceless jewels.

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by <]:^D » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:43 pm

moral relativism? sounds like the Devil trying to trick me :dread:

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by shadow202 » Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:05 pm

The fact is you're already going to be contacting Amazon about them not sending you the correct items, why not tell them they sent you incorrect items at the same time?

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by Jenuall » Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:23 pm

Rocsteady wrote:Either people in here have never heard of moral relativism or have never done anything wrong in their lives. Taking advantage of a 40 buck package arriving at your door from a multinational that avoids taxes on tens of billions is hardly robbing a granny's priceless jewels.


Yeah, that's not what moral relativism means.

Regardless, Amazon being a company that doesn't operate correctly with regards to tax laws does not justify an individual taking something that doesn't belong to them.

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by Ironhide » Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:46 pm

GAME once sent me two copies of TLoZ: Twilight Princess but only charged me for one so I kept the spare copy sealed for a few months before selling it for £75 when people were paying silly money for it.

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by Errkal » Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:47 pm

Ironhide wrote:GAME once sent me two copies of TLoZ: Twilight Princess but only charged me for one so I kept the spare copy sealed for a few months before selling it for £75 when people were paying silly money for it.

So what you are saying is you are responsible for thier down fall.


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